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*:Its actually attributed to experts, human rights org and UN officials an i have used the word `described them as` - i think thats very neutral representation. If others oppose to that part - can be rewritten. [[User:Cinaroot|Cinaroot]] ([[User talk:Cinaroot|talk]]) 02:16, 5 November 2025 (UTC)
*:Its actually attributed to experts, human rights org and UN officials an i have used the word `described them as` - i think thats very neutral representation. If others oppose to that part - can be rewritten. [[User:Cinaroot|Cinaroot]] ([[User talk:Cinaroot|talk]]) 02:16, 5 November 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Not in wikivoice. The ICJ hasn't even ruled that Israel committed genocide during the Gaza war, so it is not up to wikipedia editors in the I-P editing area to rule in wikivoice that Israel has committed genocide. [[User:Wafflefrites|Wafflefrites]] ([[User talk:Wafflefrites|talk]]) 03:56, 5 November 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Not in wikivoice. The ICJ hasn't even ruled that Israel committed genocide during the Gaza war, so it is not up to wikipedia editors in the I-P editing area to rule in wikivoice that Israel has committed genocide. [[User:Wafflefrites|Wafflefrites]] ([[User talk:Wafflefrites|talk]]) 03:56, 5 November 2025 (UTC)

:'''Strong oppose''' Its fine as is, and also the sentence as is should specify during the Gaza war. ← [[User:Metallurgist|Metallurgist]] ([[User talk:Metallurgist|talk]]) 04:27, 5 November 2025 (UTC)

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 September 2025

Add that in 1949 UN resolution 273 accepted the membership of Israel to the United Nations 147.236.179.85 (talk) 14:15, 5 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

WP:voice - Gaza genocide- lede

@Triggerhippie4 Regarding your revert that rfc was close to 2 years ago. Since then there was a recent rfc closed on Talk:Gaza genocide/Archive 12#RfC on first sentence. Wipkipedia is saying Israel has committed genocide in WP:VOICE - the same can be applied here. i haven't changed anything else. A new rfc is not needed here. We can no longer present Gaza genocide as an accusation Cinaroot (talk) 02:09, 25 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The RfC on this article established the current wording, which remains consensus here. The other RfC you reference dealt with a specific sentence in a different article and does not apply to this lead section. Triggerhippie4 (talk) 17:22, 25 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I can create a new RFC, but I’d like to gather your thoughts on why you or any other editors might object to the wordings. Cinaroot (talk) 00:49, 26 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Current wording established 2 years ago is a npov violation. Situation has changed - and you can no longer hold on to that rfc Cinaroot (talk) 07:38, 26 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The current wording maintains a neutral voice by attributing claims rather than presenting contested statements as fact. Triggerhippie4 (talk) 15:18, 26 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Do not confuse neutrality with giving undue weight to fringe or minority views. After an RFC that lasted several weeks, consensus was reached to state in Wikipedia’s voice that Israel has committed genocide in Gaza. This decision will of course remain contested, but that is not unusual — nearly every major topic on Wikipedia is. The claim that this only applies to one article carries no weight Cinaroot (talk) 16:55, 26 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The RfC means that we can mention the genocide in wikivoice sitewide (see this section of the Gaza genocide talk page for clarification)—this is why the main page now includes it in ongoing. Also see the FAQ on that same page:

The term "Gaza Genocide" is supported by a sufficient number of reliable sources. It is the consensus, not an opinion, that it is a genocide.

We can discuss other ways to mention the genocide in the lead, but please stop reverting edits that try to mention the genocide on the basis of this RfC in December 2023. Consensus can change and has. DecrepitlyOnward (talk) 19:32, 4 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
agreed. i have re-written it based on new consensus. @Triggerhippie4Do not revert it anymore. Let more people weigh in if necessary. Cinaroot (talk) 23:26, 4 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia should report genocide claims, but should not put them in Wikivoice. That much should be quite obvious. Doric Loon (talk) 09:09, 5 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You might not be aware. But its decided on a recent RFC Talk:Gaza_genocide#RfC_on_first_sentence to use Wiki-voice to report on Gaza genocide. It ran for months and over 93 people participated. And we must respect that recent RFC.
You may look at Gaza genocide FAQ : It states "It is the consensus, not an opinion, that it is a genocide."
This consensus is site-wide Cinaroot (talk) 19:40, 5 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I would restore the part of the lead established by this RfC: Talk:Israel/Archive_102#RFC_on_human_rights_language_in_lead, and maybe add a separate sentence on genocide. That separate sentence on genocide should say some scholars disagree per WP:NPOV, if it's not going to use in-text attribution. Bogazicili (talk) 16:52, 5 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Its already been determined Gaza genocide should be linked in this rfc . I have respected the previous wording - but introduced gaza genocide in wiki voice as per new rfc Talk:Gaza genocide/Archive 12#RfC on first sentence Cinaroot (talk) 20:06, 5 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

intro more concise, and more general

current intro seems slightly long and too detailed, and at the same time not enough general. a couple of words out of History of Palestine would be good, from very old, about ottomans. can we please adapt the intro accordingly? ThurnerRupert (talk) 23:29, 28 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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RfC: Whether to state that Israel has committed genocide against Palestinians

After two months of discussion - consensus was reached to phrase the opening in Wikipedia’s voice that Israel is committing genocide against Palestinians. See Gaza genocide

Similar wording should be applied consistently to this article.

Current : Israel's practices in its occupation of the Palestinian territories have drawn sustained international criticism—along with accusations that it has committed war crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocide against the Palestinians in Gaza—from human rights organisations and UN officials.

Proposed : Israel is committing genocide against Palestinians in Gaza, and its occupation of the Palestinian territories has drawn sustained international criticism; experts, human-rights organisations and UN officials have described them as war crimes and crimes against humanity.Cinaroot (talk) 05:54, 4 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support the Gaza genocide RfC established that we talk about the genocide in wikivoice so this change makes sense as this also applies to other articles Laura240406 (talk) 13:16, 4 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support: it makes no sense for one article to state its a genocide, and for others to not. It's very inconsistent and confusing; this needs to happen. TheSilksongPikmin (talk | contribs) 20:23, 4 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I am neutral to leaning oppose on the first part as the genocide allegations are contentious but what swings me fully to oppose is changing allegations of war crimes and crimes against humanity to specfically be about the occupation. That is not an improvement it is better to state the full allegations of war crimes and crimes against humanity more generally than specfically mention the occupation.GothicGolem29 (Talk) 01:11, 5 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Its actually attributed to experts, human rights org and UN officials an i have used the word `described them as` - i think thats very neutral representation. If others oppose to that part - can be rewritten. Cinaroot (talk) 02:16, 5 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Not in wikivoice. The ICJ hasn't even ruled that Israel committed genocide during the Gaza war, so it is not up to wikipedia editors in the I-P editing area to rule in wikivoice that Israel has committed genocide. Wafflefrites (talk) 03:56, 5 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose Its fine as is, and also the sentence as is should specify during the Gaza war. ← Metallurgist (talk) 04:27, 5 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]