Talk:Nick Carter (1964–1990 novel series)

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Requested move 25 October 2025

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

There was consensus that "Nick Carter-Killmaster" is an incorrect title, and several suggestions for a new name. "Nick Carter, Killmaster" does not appear to be supported by sources, leaving "Nick Carter" as the WP:COMMONNAME. This series needs to be disambiguated with a year due to other series by the same name, so I have picked Nick Carter (1964–1990 novel series). I hope that's relatively uncontroversial, but if someone has strong feelings that this was a poor choice, feel free to discuss more. There was no consensus that merging into Nick Carter (character) was a good idea. -- Beland (talk) 19:49, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nick Carter-Killmaster → Nick Carter, Killmaster – The character's name is not hyphenated "Carter-Killmaster"; the series is about the character Nick Carter, who is a "Killmaster". Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 14:55, 25 October 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. TarnishedPath^talk 15:16, 3 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Are there any reliable sources that provide a name for this series of novels? —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 16:12, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Nick Carter (1964 novel series) or Nick Carter (1964–1990 novel series) since no one has identified a name for this series of novels in any reliable source and the proposed name is apparently a Wikipedia invention (and so is the current name). It is common for only the starting date of a series to be used to identify a series in a disambiguation term instead of the entire date range (see, e.g., MOS:TV). —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 17:44, 2 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
They're simply called "Nick Carter" per the book covers. The addition of Killmaster in any form, as you note, is a Wikipedia invention. Intothat darkness 00:21, 3 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'd support that too. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:53, 16 November 2025 (UTC) (nom([reply]

I'd suggest Nick Carter (fictional character) instead. That way you avoid the series naming convention, which is problematic in any case because the character existed prior to the espionage-themed books. Intothat darkness 17:53, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In fact, it might be better to merge this article with the existing Nick Carter article. I'm not seeing anything really requiring a standalone article, and the Killmaster stuff is discussed in the Nick Carter article anyhow. Intothat darkness 17:59, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Upon further consideration, I am now convinced a merge with Nick Carter is the best way forward here. It preserves continuity with the character, and since this continuation is already mentioned there it makes more sense. darkness 14:33, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Like, I'd say Don't merge (this is a 1960s-1980s spinoff series, and it'd be odd to merge that into the 1880s character page) - just move this page to Nick Carter, Killmaster. Paintspot Infez (talk) 04:42, 2 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Except this version IS mentioned in the original Nick Carter article. And the 100th book features one of the original Nick Carter detective short stories, so the publisher also acknowledged the connection (and that's mentioned in the Nick Carter article...you should actually read it since the original character carried on in magazine form until the mid-1930s). Finally, the series was just titled "Nick Carter." The Killmaster thing didn't feature in it anywhere. And given the amount of what's essentially fan cruft in this article I'm not sure it should stand on its own. Intothat darkness 15:41, 2 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There's also a precedent for a merge in the James Bond (literary character) article. Even though Bond is often significantly different in the continuation books, we don't have an article for each author's version. Intothat darkness 14:57, 10 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
But this is a pretty substantial article for such a merge. There were more than 250 novels in this series, spanning more than 25 years of publications. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 20:23, 10 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
But do you need the entire novel list? And quite a bit of the other content is unsourced fan cruft if we're going to be honest about it. I'd feel a bit better about this being a solo article if there was stronger sourcing, but there isn't.

The first incarnation of Nick Carter had more books, honestly. What concerns me is we lose continuity with two separate articles about what's essentially the same character. And if you look at the pop culture impact, the earlier Nick Carter's impact was greater (the books, at least one magazine, movies and so on). Intothat darkness 20:40, 10 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Fictional characters and WikiProject Novels have been notified of this discussion. TarnishedPath^talk 15:16, 3 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose move. I'd support either BarrelProof's bolded suggestion or Nick Carter (book series) or Nick Carter (novel series) unless there is some reason to include a year. Merger with Nick Carter (character) also appears reasonable but I defer to other editors on that. —Myceteae‍🍄‍🟫 (talk) 22:02, 8 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As further detailed in the Nick Carter (character) article, this is not the only Nick Carter novel series, so the year is needed to identify which novel series this is about. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 02:45, 12 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.