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Religion field

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Religion is not supposed to be displayed in biography infoboxes, per WP:INFONAT and the RFC referenced by Template:Infobox person. Template:Infobox religious biography can be used for people who actually have a religious occupation or are part of the content of a religion, but I don't see any of those currently using {{Infobox character}} searching on "insource:/\{\{[Ii]nfobox character.*religion *= *[A-Z]/". I was planning to empty out this field; is there a preferred procedure? I could change the template to indicate it is deprecated, move the content to some place in the article body, or just drop this information and assume that if it's important it would have been covered in the article body. -- Beland (talk) 17:21, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree that fictional characters should be treated the same as biographies of real people; MOS:FICTION makes very clear that the two are to be treated differently. — HTGS (talk) 06:15, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okey! MOS:WAF-INFO doesn't mention religion or ethnicity specifically; it requires in-universe data in infoboxes to be "essential". Since not too many articles are using this field, why don't I do a deep database scan and see how it is being used, and we can discuss which are appropriate. -- Beland (talk) 09:45, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am happy with that idea. I wouldn’t be surprised if we find—and agree!—that most characters using the field should not have their religion listed so prominently in the lead/infobox. — HTGS (talk) 04:42, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I found 447 character bios that are using the religion field. Due to length, I have posted the list below in a separate subsection. If you want to use this as a todo list for dropping the field from articles where it's clearly not appropriate, feel free to drop or strike out entries on the list as you go, so it's clear what's left to consider. -- Beland (talk) 05:59, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@HTGS: A new database dump has become available, so I could regenerate the report, but as far as I know, no one has gone through this list and pruned any instances. Were you intending to do that? If not, I can go through and drop instances I think are inappropriate, and see if any page editors object. -- Beland (talk) 19:53, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've started going through and dropping the field where it seems inappropriate to me, deleting those entries from the list and annotating entries where I've kept it. -- Beland (talk) 00:00, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I clearly wasn′t paying enough attention to see your list there haha. In the interest of making clearer when to include/exclude, I have written a guideline into the documentation. In my mind, we should be able to exclude religion from the infobox at Homer Simpson, but include at Ned Flanders. Does that sound like a reasonable line in the sand to you? — HTGS (talk) 20:49, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For a real person, we wouldn't include religion in the infofox unless Ned Flanders was a religious figure like a priest or saint or similar. I would put the distinction at "religious figure" rather than "major element of characterization" as the template documentation now says. -- Beland (talk) 21:11, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Character bios with data in religion field

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List of articles with "Infobox character" and data in "religion" field

References

  1. ^ Indiana Jones and the Dinosaur Eggs
  2. ^ Taylor, Helen (1989). Scarlett's Women: Gone with the Wind and Its Female Fans. Rutgers University Press. p. 62. ISBN 9780813514963. scarlett o'hara catholic.
  3. ^ Thornhill, Colleen (June 3, 2014). "Morello – Everything You Need to Know to Watch 'Orange Is the New Black' Season Two". Complex. Retrieved October 14, 2017.
  4. ^ Episode 12 of Season 2 "Grandma Got Run Over By a Reindeer"
  5. ^ "The Second Chance". The O.C.. Season 2. Episode 11. February 3, 2005. Fox.
  6. ^ "Pee Wee Harris Looks at Duty to God", Boys' Life (Dec. 2016).
  7. ^ In Chapter VIII, mention is made of her having "a Prayer-Book all confusedly heaped about the looking-glass."
  8. ^ Weber, Lindsey (December 17, 2014). "Friends Countdown: Is Rachel Green Jewish?". Vulture.
  9. ^ Weber, Lindsey (December 17, 2014). "Friends Countdown: Is Rachel Green Jewish?". Vulture.
  10. ^ "The Rocker in the Rinse Cycle". Bones. Season 5. Episode 19. April 29, 2010. Fox.
  11. ^ Jack Donaghy: "The American public doesn't want your elitist, east coast, alternative, intellectual, left-wing..." Liz: "Jack, just say Jewish, this is taking forever." from episode "Stone Mountain"
  12. ^ Fitzgerald 1925, p. 209; Slater 1973, p. 56.
  13. ^ "Rick: A Mort Well Lived". Rick and Morty. Season 6. Episode 2. September 11, 2022. Adult Swim.
  14. ^ Coburn's dogtags in "Chuck Versus the Angel de la Muerte"

Non-occupations

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I would like to put in a request to discourage people from submitting pseudo-occupations for characters who don't have any regular job or profession. Ernest T. Bass, from The Andy Griffith Show, was listed with the occupations of "troublemaker, hillbilly". Ramona Quimby, a child character from children's books by Beverly Cleary, was listed with the occupations of "Imaginator and Beezus' Best Friend". Those aren't occupations. I don't what we can do about that here, though, except to put in a note saying something like "occupation -- do not list an occupation for characters who have no job". -- Metropolitan90 (talk) 00:06, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template-protected edit request on 16 November 2025

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I request that the following template be updated to incorporate embedding. referencing {{Infobox person}}, the following change is needed:

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{{Infobox
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{{#invoke:Infobox|infoboxTemplate|child={{{child|{{{embed|}}}}}}

Juwan (talk) 14:39, 16 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Done – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:01, 16 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Before I revert, please give an example of where exactly you would embed this template. Gonnym (talk) 16:02, 16 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Gonnym why would need to revert this? this template is needed in, for example, the article for Kasane Teto. Juwan (talk) 16:09, 16 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Jonesey95 not fully done. could you add the param embed as an alias, as is conventional in other infobox templates? Juwan (talk) 16:12, 16 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's clutter IMO, but sure. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:14, 16 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
as an aside, it appears that the the headers (e.g. "In-universe information") need some updating to conform with dark mode viewability when embedded. though that needs to be handled separately. Juwan (talk) 16:16, 16 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template-protected edit request on 4 December 2025

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I think we should change this section:

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| label37 = {{#if: {{{origin|}}} | Origin | Home }} | data37 = {{If empty |{{{origin|}}} |{{{home|}}} }}
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| label37 = {{#if: {{{origin|}}} | Origin | Home }} | data37 = {{If empty |{{{origin|}}} |{{{home|}}} }} | label38 = {{#if: {{{hometown|}}} | Hometown}} | data38 = {{If empty |{{{hometown|}}} |{{{hometown|}}} }}

and add a new field for the place the character lives, in case they live in a different location than the place they came from. An example of this would be the Wanderer in Genshin Impact, who is of Inazuman origin but lives in Sumeru instead. Gommeh 📖   🎮 17:46, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done For context: Parameters related to a character's "home" etc. did not exist in this template prior to 2018 because this information was considered trivial and too in-universe (characters move around, folks!). |home/origin= was added in 2018 when several video game character infobox templates (customized to individual games) were merged into this template. I should note that the merge discussions did not specify that this parameter should be preserved, and as a matter of fact one editor who voted for deletion specifically mentioned that it should not. In any case, I'm sure multiple users of this template can speak to how it may be useful to understanding or classifying characters in certain instances, but technically it's not the kind of parameter that should exist at all, and it definitely should not be split up into more of the same. I admit I am unfamiliar with the Genshin Impact game, but I can't imagine that this Unazuman vs. Sumeru issue is even remotely important to the game or understanding its characters? If it is, it should probably be discussed in the prose of the article, not hashed out in the infobox. That said, the |lbl#=/|data#= parameters can be used for franchise-specific info not covered by other parameters, but my warning is that these parameters are often abused to add trivial info and will likely be excised on those grounds. I should also note that even {{Infobox soap character}}, which contains exhaustive familial parameters (|nieces=, |adoptivesons= etc.), does not have any kind of hometown/location parameter for the reasons I have described, and has resisted the addition of one many times. Thanks.— TAnthonyTalk 22:04, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I could see for Superman where you'd maybe want to mention both Krypton and Metropolis as both are notable links. But I think this is a rare situation. Gonnym (talk) 16:28, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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