Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dror Soref

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. No arguments for deletion aside from the nominator. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:33, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dror Soref

This may seem like an odd article to bring to AFD. On the surface, it's a decent-looking article, nice pictures and everything. But looking through the sources, it would seem only this man's projects are notable, not the man himself. The sources show only very passing references to the man. The one source that's listed that's dedicated to him is from Business Wire (they simply reprint press releases, not sure if this is kosher with our reliable sources guidelines). Having googled around a bit and having looked through the sources provided in the article, the man simply doesn't seem to meet our inclusion standards. --MZMcBride (talk) 21:32, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. -- TexasAndroid (talk) 23:31, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Strongest possible keep I don't really understand this nomination. The guy is a very notable filmaker [1]. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:01, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I know I wouldn't write an article if I felt it was even bordering on notability issues because I wouldn't want to volunteer several days of my time researching and writing if it was going to evaporate. As you know 90+ percent of articles here on living people like media professionals, singers, atheletes, etc. can also be called into question and easily be picked apart in afd.

And I definitely like the subject material, I wouldn't be on here editing differential equations. I met the director once at UT and felt he was wikipedia notable and being an editor wanted to write one and expand knowledge on the subject to other film lovers. He told our class about all the superbowl ads he shot and working with weird al and peter o'toole and all these guys so I just had to write an article about him. A lot of these influential guys tend to stay under the radar so I had to go to imdb at first to write his bio but google scholar and news archives also helped find the substantial sources I needed.

Per WP:CREATIVE

The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by their peers or successors.

He has directed two feature length theatrically released films. I've always seen any director that has managed to get theatrical distribution on million dollar films with real working actors like simon baker as notable.

The person has created, or played a major role in co-creating, a significant or well-known work, or collective body of work, that has been the subject of an independent book or feature-length film, or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews.

All the wierd al music videos, superbowl ads, and two feature films plus producing a major release like Basic.

The person's work either (a) has become a significant monument, (b) has been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) has won significant critical attention, or (d) is represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums, or had works in many significant libraries.

C - His newest film was the closing night film at slamdance, he has a bunch of industry awards for his commercials plus there is all of this golani brigade Israeli stuff from when he was young in academic articles before he became a director.

Sources: There was a big la times article written about him in the late 80s detailing how he broke into the industry and how he got connected with hollywood power players like medevoy which I have sourced. A chicago tribune article on weird al's early career also mentions him as an up and coming director plus a bunch of articles in the daily variety. I can't possibly see what other evidence afd would need. It would really sadden me if all my work researching and writing went down the drain when I never even thought notability would come into question. I know how 98% of afds end so I'm asking the community to see the notability and not kill all of my hard work and let others interested in filmmaking learn about this cool guy.

Andman8 (talk) 14:59, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep. I think this was an extremely poor sense of judgement to nominate him for deletion and good faith was not performed here in searching before nominating. I agree with Andman8. BioDetective2508 (talk) 14:03, 1 July 2009
Strong Keep as notability for a notable filmmaker is determined by their works. it would be a bit tough for him to be notable if he were not creating notable projects. Its chicken and egg here. Film notability = Filmmaker notability. He does have coverage because of and in relation to his notable films [2]. His being award-winning is icing on the cake. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 05:58, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Why would this article be nominated for deletion? This director is very notable! It seems Wiki Editors delete anyone they haven't heard of personally, assuming the rest of the world is the same! Larrywilliams101 (talk) 23:54, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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