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The purpose of this discussion page is to select 50,000 topics for which Wikipedia should have high-quality articles.

Any article currently on this list may be challenged. The discussion is open to the following rules:

Voting count table (>60%)

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1. Before being closed, a Level 5 proposal must:
   1. Run for at least 15 days; AND
   2. Allow at least 7 days after the most recent vote; AND

      For nominations made after 13:36, September 26, 2025, closure is acceptable 7 days after most recent vote that established a consensus to implement or fail (see below) or the most recent subsequent vote against this consensus.

   3. Have at least 4 participants if nominated before 20:53, 20 May 2025 (UTC).
2. For a proposal to be implemented on the Level 5 list:
   1. It must have over 60% support (see table); AND
   2. It must have at least 4 support votes !votes.
3. For a proposal to failed:
   1. It must not have over 60% support (see table); AND
   2. If nominated after 20:53, 20 May 2025 (UTC), it must have at least 2 oppose votes !votes.
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Add Frisia

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Frisia  5; Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Geography/Countries#Germany. Good example of the sort of article we lack.

Support

1. As nom. J947 ‡ ^edits 06:21, 19 February 2025 (UTC)
2. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 14:23, 6 March 2025 (UTC)
3. I feel like there should be more cultural regions listed. ChaoticVermillion (talk) 01:17, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
4. Support  Carlwev  18:00, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. The ones in Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Geography/Countries#Germany are undoubtebly more important than this one. There are enough of those already. Earth605 (talk) 06:06, 14 August 2025 (UTC)

Neutral

1. Regions risk going far over quota if we add all African provinces proposed below. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 17:03, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

Discussion

I don't dislike the idea, but would Frisians be better? Both/either would be OK, but Frisians is in more languages, has refs, more page views, looks like it gets more attention. (I am not opposing this, in fact I am considering supporting.)  Carlwev  01:26, 25 February 2025 (UTC)

1. Frisians would belong to Culture/Ethnology. We have many pairs of a nation and their homeland, like Bengalis  5 and Bengal  5 for example. Makkool (talk) 14:23, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

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General coverage of country subdivisions

The coverage in Africa on Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Geography/Countries seems random. Why do a few countries (Egypt, Ethiopia, Nigeria, South Africa, Somalia) get coverage of all their subdivisions while others get almost nothing or nothing? If it's supposed to be based on population, it's not proportional. For example, Tanzania (which gets none) is more populous than South Africa (which gets 9) and over three times as populous as Somalia (which gets 5/6). If it's based on something else, we should decide on what that is, to avoid systemic bias.

Here is a table of the contents of "Regions and country subdivisions". This is just for reference, I'm not saying coverage should necessarily be based directly on population or area.

Continent	Entries	% Entries	% Population	% Area
Africa	104	10.0%	17.6%	20.3%
Antarctica	11	1.1%	0.0%	9.5%
Asia	343	33.0%	59.4%	21.2%
Europe/Russia	330	31.7%	9.4%	15.4%
North America	149	14.3%	7.5%	16.2%
Oceania	25	2.4%	0.6%	5.7%
South America	78	7.5%	5.5%	11.9%
World	1040	100%	100%	100%

EchoVanguardZ (talk) 20:30, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

A reasonable explanation is that many political regions of Africa are recently created, while many in Europe go back farther in time. Additionally, Europe used to have a higher proportion of the word population historically before the industrial revolution compared to today. This does not mean it should be the same as Asia proportionally, but food for thought. -1ctinus📝🗨 13:17, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

A realistic explanation is that we have a strong bias towards Europe and North America due to most editors being from Europe and North America. Eurocentric organization is baked into our organization. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:43, 21 October 2025 (UTC)

Move the 18 articles under "Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Physical sciences/Earth science#Paleogeography" to "Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Geography/Physical"

We have the section for paleogeography under Earth sciences. We should fix this. I think it impacts a level 4 article or two, I'll boldly move those. We include the other "continents" in geography, I don't know why this would be different.

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:32, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

1. I've always seen the history of the Earth, including paleogeography, as a topic of Earth science. On the other hand I don't have a clear understanding of how physical geography differs from earth science. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 15:31, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

@Lophotrochozoa I can answer this question but it would likely take a fairly large explanation. In short, Geography is a discipline that is at least two thousand years old, involves spatial information, and does not necessitate the scientific method (in fact, formal scientific geography is only a few hundred years old). Earth science as a term is more recent, but includes ancient disciplines like geology and meteorology under its umbrella. Earth science necessitates the use of the scientific method, and can include non-spatial data (like a geologist looking at a zircon crystal through a microscope). GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:30, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

Discuss

GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:32, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

Equalization of subdivisions in Africa

Keep in mind that England's VA5 subdivisions average 1 million population, Belgium - 1 million, Greece - 1.3 million, the Netherlands - 1.4 million, Poland - 2.4 million, etc. I wanted to increase representation of Africa. Some countries will have more representation than others merely because their administrative divisions are smaller. I can't think of any way to resolve that bias. A number of these, therefore, may be unlikely to pass.

Add all Provinces of the Democratic Republic of the Congo

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There are 26 provinces, although Kinshasa  4 is already listed as a city. This leaves an average of 4.2 million per province.

Support

1. As nominator. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 02:41, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
2. Makes sense to me. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:40, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
3. Adding a bunch of regions makes more sense then having over 10,000 biographies. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 04:14, 12 November 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. These mass willy-nilly nominations of dozens and dozens of regions is ridiculous. Here are some of the least populous USA, Canada and UK counties/provinces, vs. some of the median regions being proposed. We are trying to assess the 50,000 most important articles for editorial effort. We should not be wasting mass spots on these counties. Many of these regions are no more vital than the less vital capital cities that we have removed.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:09, 28 September 2025 (UTC)

   per User:J947-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:02, 28 September 2025 (UTC)

2. Per above. I think it's a bad idea to mass add whole sets of subregions of countries. These should be considered individually. Makkool (talk) 14:24, 28 September 2025 (UTC)
3. Per TonyTheTiger and J947. ChaoticVermillion (talk) 01:18, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
4. Per above.飞车过大关 (talk) 14:08, 22 November 2025 (UTC)

Discussion

Most of these subdivisions were only created in 2015 – so what can we write about them? I'm not opposed to the additions, but I think a case-by-case analysis would be better. J947 ‡ ^edits 22:05, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

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Add 26 of the 31 Regions of Tanzania

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I'm proposing all regions except Dar es Salaam Region (covered by Dar es Salaam  4, and the four that make up Zanzibar  4 (which are also the 4 least populous). Average population for these would be about 2.3 million. If you oppose this, then do you have an idea of how to include Tanzania in this section? Including some of the regions?

Support

1. As nominator. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 02:41, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
2. Aye. I think it makes sense to add whole sets of subregions, considering them indivdually leads to a wildly inconsident list. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 04:17, 12 November 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. These mass nominations make no sense. See Here are some of the least populous USA, Canada and UK counties/provinces, vs. some of the median regions being proposed. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:11, 28 September 2025 (UTC)

   per User:J947-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:03, 28 September 2025 (UTC)

2. Per above. I think it's a bad idea to mass add whole sets of subregions of countries. These should be considered individually. Makkool (talk) 14:24, 28 September 2025 (UTC)

Discussion

These are by-and-large healthy articles, which are nice, but I simply don't think there's space for all 26. Consider proposing the best 12–15. We only list 17 German and 16 Spanish regions, and it looks like they might be shrunk further as we look to fill other areas of the world. J947 ‡ ^edits 22:10, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

Well, we list all the states of Germany and all the autonomous communities of Spain, so that covers everything for those countries. But I'll consider nominating a smaller number instead. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 21:55, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

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Add the four Regions of Uganda

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This would mean adding Central Region, Uganda  5, Western Region, Uganda  5, Eastern Region, Uganda  5, and Northern Region, Uganda  5. Their average population is 12 million.

Support

1. As nominator. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 02:41, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
2. Makes sense to me. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:38, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
3. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 21:33, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
4. Weak support. I'm realising that it probably makes more sense to cover African ethnic groups / kingdoms rather than regions. For Uganda that involves listing the likes of Lugbara people, Acholi people, Ankole, Busoga, Teso people, and Buganda. Judging by the respective size of their articles, ethnic groups are the important subdivision of Uganda – not geographical categorisations that are ultimately based off ethnic groups. But it's only four articles for a country of 50 million, so why not. J947 ‡ ^edits 22:18, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
5. Aye. I think it makes sense to add whole sets of subregions, considering them indivdually leads to a wildly inconsident list. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 04:17, 12 November 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

Discussion

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Add all 18 States of Sudan

Average population is about 2.8 million. If you oppose this, should we list former provinces? For a country of 45 million people, we list only Darfur  5.

Support

1. As nominator. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 02:41, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
2. Makes sense to me. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:43, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
3. Partial: support add for Kordofan (as opposed to any specific Kordofan state, the article describes Kordofan as being a historically defined region), Khartoum State, Gezira State, Kassala State, White Nile State, al Qadarif, and Northern State (Sudan). (all states with a population above 2 million, or a wide area) ALittleClass (talk) 18:39, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
4. Support ALittleClass's proposal. J947 ‡ ^edits 01:46, 28 September 2025 (UTC)

   User:J947, I am a bit surprised to see your sig under the supports with the statements you made above at Tanzania about the problems with these types of mass nominations.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:26, 28 September 2025 (UTC)

   Africa is underrepresented in terms of regions, and there are also big problems like listing 27 Egyptian governorates but no article about a Kenyan region. I'm not in favour of listing all of a country's regions as a rule (so I'm opposing that), but making changes one-by-one also won't be effective. J947 ‡ ^edits 22:33, 28 September 2025 (UTC)

   User:J947, I know above you thought 26 was too many to just wave them through, but I am surprised you are willing to handwave at 18. I often hear the argument that Africa, Asia, South America are underrepresented in a lot of ways. This set of mass nominations is the first time I have ever thought about the counterargument that this is English-language WP and it makes sense to overweight the regions that our English-speaking readers are reading. I feel topics should be underrepresented if they have minimal and comparatively insignificant pageview traffic. If our readers are not reading that subject matter, why should we expend a lot of VA allotment declaring those subjects more vital than subjects our readers like to read. I probably should dig into the interwikis too.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:26, 29 September 2025 (UTC)

   I'm only supporting 7. J947 ‡ ^edits 02:25, 29 September 2025 (UTC)

   User:J947 Almost all of them get less than 25 pageviews per day and 3 get less than 10.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:13, 29 September 2025 (UTC)

5. Partial support, only for the region of Kordofan, and the states of Khartoum State, and Gezira State. ChaoticVermillion (talk) 01:22, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
6. Aye. I think it makes sense to add whole sets of subregions, considering them indivdually leads to a wildly inconsident list. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 04:17, 12 November 2025 (UTC)

   "Wild inconsistency" is really the status quo that you seek to emulate. At the moment, all twenty-three Argentinian first-level subdivisions are listed and zero of the thirty-three Colombian are. The result is that the country of Argentina receives vastly greater geographically representation than Colombia, despite their similar populations. Try countenancing that if you imagine you're from one of those countries. Also, please don't edit closed discussions. J947 ‡ ^edits 04:48, 12 November 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Oppose mass willy nilly nomination per lack of vitality of the median population nominee in comparison to some of the least vital regions already included.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:22, 28 September 2025 (UTC)

   After considering User:ALittleClass' proposal. I am still having trouble getting behind most of these per what our readers want. I can support Kordofan and remove objections to Khartoum State, Gezira State and El-Gadarif, but I can't get behind pages with less than 10 pageviews per day.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:08, 29 September 2025 (UTC)

2. Per above. I think it's a bad idea to mass add whole sets of subregions of countries. These should be considered individually. Makkool (talk) 14:24, 28 September 2025 (UTC)
3. 飞车过大关 (talk) 11:42, 17 November 2025 (UTC)

Discussion

@EchoVanguardZ, QuicoleJR, ALittleClass, and J947:, I want the supporters above to be aware that the consensus seems to think that baseline pageviews rather than event elevated pageviews should be considered for VA. Sudanese civil war (2023–present) seems to be influencing pageviews

1. higher traffic states' ten+ year pageview history
2. higher traffic states' pre civil war views isolated
3. lower traffic states' ten+ year pageview history
4. lower traffic states' pre civil war views isolated

Add 10 of the the 12 Regions of Morocco

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This is all regions of Morocco except the two southernmost that are part of Western Sahara  4. Their average population is 3.6 million.

Support

1. As nominator. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 02:41, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
2. Makes sense to me. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:43, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
3. Aye. I think it makes sense to add whole sets of subregions, considering them indivdually leads to a wildly inconsident list. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 04:15, 12 November 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Oppose mass willy nilly nomination per lack of vitality of the median population nominee in comparison to some of the least vital regions already included-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:23, 28 September 2025 (UTC)
2. Per above. I think it's a bad idea to mass add whole sets of subregions of countries. These should be considered individually. Makkool (talk) 14:24, 28 September 2025 (UTC)
3. 飞车过大关 (talk) 11:43, 17 November 2025 (UTC)

Discussion

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Add all 10 Regions of Cameroon

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Average population: 3 million.

Support

1. As nominator. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 02:41, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
2. Makes sense to me. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:44, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
3. Aye. I think it makes sense to add whole sets of subregions, considering them indivdually leads to a wildly inconsident list. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 04:17, 12 November 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Oppose mass willy nilly nomination per lack of vitality of the median population nominee in comparison to some of the least vital regions already included-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:23, 28 September 2025 (UTC)
2. Per above. I think it's a bad idea to mass add whole sets of subregions of countries. These should be considered individually. Makkool (talk) 14:24, 28 September 2025 (UTC)
3. 飞车过大关 (talk) 11:43, 17 November 2025 (UTC)

Discussion

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Add the 7 Regions of Niger

Average population: 3 million.

Support

1. As nominator. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 02:41, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
2. Makes sense to me. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:44, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
3. ALittleClass (talk) 04:30, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
4. Aye. I think it makes sense to add whole sets of subregions, considering them indivdually leads to a wildly inconsident list. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 04:17, 12 November 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. median noms not vital enough for a mass nomination compared to some of the least important vital articles.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:28, 28 September 2025 (UTC)
2. Per above. I think it's a bad idea to mass add whole sets of subregions of countries. These should be considered individually. Makkool (talk) 14:24, 28 September 2025 (UTC)
3. 飞车过大关 (talk) 11:44, 17 November 2025 (UTC)

Discussion

Add the 3 former provinces of South Sudan

That is Bahr el Ghazal (region of South Sudan), Equatoria, and Greater Upper Nile. Average population: 4 million.

Support

1. As nominator. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 02:41, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
2. Makes sense to me. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:45, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
3. ALittleClass (talk) 18:40, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
4. Aye. I think it makes sense to add whole sets of subregions, considering them indivdually leads to a wildly inconsident list. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 04:17, 12 November 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Oppose Greater Upper Nile. Weak oppose to the others per comparison to some of the least important vital articles.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:30, 28 September 2025 (UTC)
2. Per above. I think it's a bad idea to mass add whole sets of subregions of countries. These should be considered individually. Makkool (talk) 14:24, 28 September 2025 (UTC)
3. Per above.飞车过大关 (talk) 11:44, 17 November 2025 (UTC)

Discussion

Other countries

I couldn't find any reasonable way to balance Algeria, Angola, or any smaller countries. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 02:41, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

Equalization of subdivisions in Asia

Add 6 Regions of Thailand

• Northern Thailand
• Isan
• Western Thailand
• Central Thailand
• Eastern Thailand
• Southern Thailand

Support

1. As nominator. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 02:49, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
2. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 01:10, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
3. Thailand  3 is underrepresented at VA5. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:38, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
4. Support Isan.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:46, 28 September 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Oppose Western Thailand and Eastern Thailand [per pageviews]-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:46, 28 September 2025 (UTC)
2. Per above. I think it's a bad idea to mass add whole sets of subregions of countries. These should be considered individually. Makkool (talk) 14:24, 28 September 2025 (UTC)
3. Per above.飞车过大关 (talk) 11:45, 17 November 2025 (UTC)

Discussion

Add 8 regions of Vietnam

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• Northwest (Vietnam)
• Northeast (Vietnam)
• Red River Delta  5
• North Central Coast
• Central Highlands (Vietnam)
• South Central Coast
• Southeast (Vietnam)
• Mekong Delta  5

Support

1. As nominator. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 02:49, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
2. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 01:10, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Oppose mass nomination due to lack of relative vitality of the median population nominees.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:57, 28 September 2025 (UTC)
2. Per above. I think it's a bad idea to mass add whole sets of subregions of countries. These should be considered individually. Makkool (talk) 14:24, 28 September 2025 (UTC)
3. Per above.飞车过大关 (talk) 11:46, 17 November 2025 (UTC)

Discussion

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Add tributaries of the Amazon River

The drainage basin of the Amazon River  3 includes several great rivers, but the only tributaries we list are Rio Negro (Amazon)  4, Madeira River  4, Apurímac River  5, Casiquiare canal  5 and (counting generously) Tocantins River  5.

Add Marañón River

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The Marañón River  5 has an average discharge of over 16 000 m³/s, it is over 1 700 kilometers long (I don't know if this counts from the source of the Nupe River of from the confluence of the Nupe and Lauricocha rivers, but it doesn't make much difference), and its drainage basin is about 360 000 km²/s. Its confluence with the Ucayali River defines the beginning of the Amazon River.

Support

1. As nominator. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 14:34, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
2. This river also apparently has legal importance, according to the article. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:46, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
3. Per nom and QuicoleJR. 96.95.142.29 (talk) 20:22, 14 September 2025 (UTC)
4. At VA4, 65 rivers are listed of which 10 are South American (15.4%). At VA5, 206 rivers are listed (itself low), of which just 13 are South American (6.3%). These are big rivers, too. J947 ‡ ^edits 02:04, 28 September 2025 (UTC)
5. support  Carlwev  13:33, 28 September 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

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Add Ucayali River

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The Ucayali River  5 has an average discharge of over 13 000 m³/s, it is over 1 400 kilometers long (counting from the confluence of the Tambo and Urubamba rivers), and its drainage basin is about 350 000 km²/s. Its confluence with the Marañón River defines the beginning of the Amazon River. We already list its headwater Apurímac River  5.

Support

1. As nominator. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 14:34, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
2. Seems pretty important. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:47, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
3. Per above. J947 ‡ ^edits 02:04, 28 September 2025 (UTC)
4. I decided to support all per J947 above. 96.95.142.29 (talk) 19:59, 29 September 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

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Add Japurá River

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The Japurá River  5 has an average discharge of over 18 000 m³/s, it is over 2 000 kilometers long, and its drainage basin is over 270 000 km²/s.

Support

1. As nominator. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 14:34, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
2. Per nom, and it has historical importance. 96.95.142.29 (talk) 20:23, 14 September 2025 (UTC)
3. Per above. J947 ‡ ^edits 02:04, 28 September 2025 (UTC)
4. support  Carlwev  14:02, 28 September 2025 (UTC)

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Add Tapajós

The Tapajós River has an average discharge of about 13 000 m³/s, it is over 800 kilometers long (counting from the confluence of the Juruena and Teles Pires rivers), and its drainage basin is nearly 500 000 km²/s.

Support

1. As nominator. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 14:34, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
2. Per above. J947 ‡ ^edits 02:04, 28 September 2025 (UTC)
3. I decided to support all per J947 above. 96.95.142.29 (talk) 19:59, 29 September 2025 (UTC)

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Neutral

Add Purus River

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The Purus River  5 has an average discharge of about 11 000 m³/s, it is over 3 300 kilometers long, and its drainage basin is nearly 370 000 km²/s.

Support

1. As nominator. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 14:34, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
2. Per above. J947 ‡ ^edits 02:04, 28 September 2025 (UTC)
3. support  Carlwev  14:07, 28 September 2025 (UTC)
4. I decided to support all per J947 above. 96.95.142.29 (talk) 19:59, 29 September 2025 (UTC)

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Add Xingu River

The Xingu River has an average discharge of about 10 000 m³/s, it is over 1 600 kilometers long, and its drainage basin is over 500 000 km²/s.

Support

1. As nominator. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 14:34, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
2. Per above. J947 ‡ ^edits 02:04, 28 September 2025 (UTC)
3. I decided to support all per J947 above. 96.95.142.29 (talk) 19:59, 29 September 2025 (UTC)

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Neutral

Add Bofors scandal

A major incident in the histories of both India and Sweden, which caused a regime change in India and is still remembered today. Rated High-Importance by the WikiProjects for India, Sweden, Crime, and Politics.

Support

1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:33, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
2. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 15:44, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
3. Makkool (talk) 16:00, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

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Neutral

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Add Sanmenxia to cities

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I just removed Sanmenxia from the physical geography subpage because it is an administrative subdivision, not a feature of physical geography. In the previous discussion Purplebackpack89 wanted to keep it because Sanmenxia contains an urban area. Thus we should have a separate discussion about listing it on cities. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 15:28, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. Purplebackpack89's support assumed.
2. Idiosincrático (talk) 07:55, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
3. The Account 2 (talk) 12:31, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Not one of the first Chinese cities I would add. It appears to have the 14th largest urban area in the province of Henan, and is the 16th largest of the 17 prefecture-level cities in the province. I would rather add Kaifeng (listed below). 204.195.97.109 (talk) 01:52, 13 August 2025 (UTC)

   Now I'm realizing this was actually added for its gorges, not for the city. That seems like a valid article and quite possibly important. Originally it said "Sanmenxia Gorges" but linked to Sanmenxia, however the word "Gorges" was removed by Special:Diff/1059138414. 204.195.97.109 (talk) 02:00, 13 August 2025 (UTC)

2. It is not important.Choose Xiangyang might be better.飞车过大关 (talk) 11:53, 24 October 2025 (UTC)
3. The urban area in question constitutes less than half of Sanmenxia's population and it is not entirely in Sanmenxia. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 17:52, 8 November 2025 (UTC)

Neutral

1. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 15:28, 26 May 2025 (UTC) Moved to oppose.

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Add some common enumeration boundaries and concepts

We include County  5, District  5, Municipality  5, Province  5, I think we can expand this a bit more. These would be inclusions under "Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Geography/Countries" in "Countries: General" and "Administrative division."

Gerrymandering  5

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A concept where the Modifiable areal unit problem  5 is exploited to impact the results of an election. Boundaries are drawn in such a way that the outcome is impacted.

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 19:35, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
2. Support add in "Politics and economics" section. ALittleClass (talk) 09:35, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
3. Bluevestman (talk) 22:47, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
4. Place on politics if we increase the quota. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 20:03, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. This is not geography. While obviously lines in the ground are drawn, gerrymandering is about demography. It is about manipulating people, not land. CMD (talk) 05:02, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

   I'm a geographer. Most of what we include isn't geography, it's Toponymy. Gerrymandering is taught about in geography classes, we don't generally have students memorize place names. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 22:55, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

   I don't follow, what do place names have to do with Gerrymandering? Modern US districts don't even get names. CMD (talk) 01:49, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

   My point is that we teach Gerrymandering in geography classes, we don't spend much time on names of cities and such. The vital articles emphasizes names of cities and places over higher order concepts that underly these. Gerrymandering is definitely a topic brought up when discussing American geography. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 06:08, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

   The vital articles emphasize the actual cities and places, not their naming. A focus on the names would be articles such as Etymology of London and Names for India. CMD (talk) 13:38, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

   The emphasis on creating a list of places is not generally what geography is about. Like my opinion that concepts are much more important then individual people, geographic concepts are much more important then individual places. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:35, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

   In an academic geographic sense probably, but places have importance outside of academic fields. "Geography" as a concept has to awkwardly contain both senses. CMD (talk) 18:29, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

   Geography as a concept contains multitudes, the issue is in how those multitudes are organized. Vital article criteria 1 is: "Coverage: Vital articles at higher levels tend to "cover" more topics and be broader in their scope. For example, Science 1 is a Vital-1 article, while Scientific method 3 is a lower level of vitality. Determining which articles are vital at lower levels often involves looking at the articles at higher levels. For example, since History 2 is of high vitality, World War II 3 is also a vital article, just at a lower level." Individual places have the lowest coverage, just like individual people will have the lowest coverage. For example, the concept of Border  4 is level 4, but we have individual "countries" at level 3. The term Country  3 (listed at level 2) itself is ambiguous to the point of meaninglessness, when what we list are Sovereign state  4, a term at level 4. We organize our regions by Continent  3, which is a term that has no real set definition in itself, and we use the Western version that emphasizes the importance of Europe. Despite this, Region  4, the more appropriate term that would be broader in scope then continent is level 5. In the vital articles, geography is organized in a way that reflects the failure of American public education system on geography. We use the colloquial terms despite them not being the best from an academic perspective, we ignore concepts in favor of places we think are important, and that reflects a heavy western bias. It is like a 3rd grader from 1920 Mississippi organized it. The project criteria are more or less completely ignored (people focusing on Language links over page views is another example), and the situation in geography is particularly bad. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 18:46, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

Neutral

1. Swap with modifiable area unit problem _pbp 22:55, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

MAUP is an important concept in spatial analysis and statistics. Gerrymandering is one instance where political people have used the MAUP to their advantage. Would prefer MAUP to Gerrymandering, by far. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 06:36, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

Gerrymandering has existed since before the modifiable unit problem was defined... _pbp 21:31, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

...The MAUP has implications outside elections and human geography. It is a problem that comes up whenever you're sampling things, and it would still be an issue if we were drawing polygons on Mars to define the average temperature. Also, MAUP is in Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Mathematics along with Ecological fallacy  5, this is History and Geography. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 03:42, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

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Electoral district  5

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From the lede: "An electoral (congressional, legislative, etc.) district, sometimes called a constituency, riding, or ward, is a geographical portion of a political unit, such as a country, state or province, city, or administrative region, created to provide the voters therein with representation in a legislature or other polity."

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 19:35, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
2. Sure _pbp 22:55, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
3. Important to both History and Geography. CMD (talk) 05:04, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
4. Bluevestman (talk) 22:47, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

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Neutral

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Congressional district

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From the lede: "Congressional districts, also known as electoral districts in other nations, are divisions of a larger administrative region that represent the population of a region in the larger congressional body. Countries with congressional districts include the United States, the Philippines, and Japan."

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 19:35, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Entirely redundant concept to electoral district. CMD (talk) 05:04, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
2. Per CMD. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 19:36, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
3. This. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:06, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
4. Per CMD. 96.65.201.225 (talk) 02:51, 3 September 2025 (UTC)

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Canton (administrative division)

From the lede: "A canton is a type of administrative division of a country."

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 19:35, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
2. V5 term. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:18, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Per Bluevestman; I think I always meant to vote oppose. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 17:12, 20 November 2025 (UTC)

Neutral

1. Not a fan of adding what for now is simply a de facto disambiguation page. Bluevestman (talk) 05:01, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
   • Per Bluevestman. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 14:52, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

   Are you sure you don't mean oppose? Lophotrochozoa (talk) 00:40, 21 November 2025 (UTC)

   No, I meant neutral. Although, now I am starting to think I should change my vote to oppose. Bluevestman (talk) 22:57, 22 November 2025 (UTC)

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• What would be the eventual end goal here, listing every administrative division that happens to have gotten a different English name separately? CMD (talk) 05:05, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

From a data perspective, these are pretty important topics, just on the back end. We have a section titled "Urban studies and planning" that is a bit thin at 55 articles. We list thousands of place names (1984 cities alone), a type of administrative division used in several countries is at least as important as the 145 cities we include for the United States alone. Administrative divisions have different characteristics, they aren't all 1 to 1 relationships with their English equivalent. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 22:53, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

But they aren't 1:1 with administrative divisions in other countries with the same names either. CMD (talk) 01:50, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

You're right, same can be said for County  5, State (polity)  2, and Province  5, though. We have articles like Cantons of Ecuador. Cantons of Switzerland, and Cantons of Togo that could be added. We include U.S. state  5 and County (United States)  5, and I don't think this is likely to be challenged, which is likely western bias. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:58, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

State (polity) is about the broad political concept, not about a specific level of administrative division. I am not sold on the inclusion of County or Province either, hence my question about what the eventual end goal is. Administrative division  5 is the likely vital article for this particular niche, the others seem variations on it that are little more than dictionary definitions and example lists. Various country-specific articles are a separate if related topic. CMD (talk) 02:49, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

Our entire list is generally upside down when it comes to geography. Administrative division being at level 5 when there are specific U.S. states at level 4 is a tragedy. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 03:00, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

Less of a tragedy than the state of the Administrative division article mind. CMD (talk) 03:23, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

Geography articles in general are a tragedy, I won't argue with that. I started editing Wikipedia to try and help with that, and the state of an article is not consequential to how vital a concept it is, if a vital article is low quality that is a reason to bring attention to fixing it. That said, from a professional standpoint, from the top down the organization is pretty ignorant of what geography is, and has a western bias baked in. The use of Continent  3 to organize the regions is like using race to organize people, a made up concept that no one agrees on. The idea that Europe is a continent (in the system we are using) but India isn't is evidence of how terrible a concept the continents are. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 04:01, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

You don't have to tell me, I've been trying to find better ways to organise topics geographically for years (to mixed success). However, that is why it's important to think about the wider organisation here. We know we have State (polity)s, and we know they are divided up administratively in various ways. Regarding concepts, what is vital for understanding? I would suggest that picking particular English names does not help understanding. Articles that tackle function, such as Federated state (which includes polities named "province" "canton", etc.), would be better candidates. CMD (talk) 04:15, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

I would argue that Federated state  5 not being included at level 3 is a tragedy, but Canton should be at least at level 5. I've been trying to organize geography topics for a year now, but because I can't skip levels, any one particular move being blocked can make an entire reorganization impossible, leaving us with a highly entrenched ignorant and borderline western supremacist organization as the default. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 04:32, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

You've got it backwards. All those cities we list are not place names, they are places. This proposal is for a place name. J947 ‡ ^edits 02:44, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

You're wrong. Place name on Websters dictionary is: the name of a geographic locality. Place name origins goes into a bit of detail on place names, but specifically is talking about the names of cities and geographic features. Toponymy is "the study of toponyms (proper names of places, also known as place names and geographic names), including their origins, meanings, usage, and types. Toponym is the general term for a proper name of any geographical feature, and full scope of the term also includes proper names of all cosmographical features." Geography isn't generally about lists of place names. Administrative divisions like canton are geographic concepts, specific place names, like the name of a city or sovereign state, are geographic trivia. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 03:00, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

I'm not meaning to challenge the scope of academic geography. Apart from a few areas which focus on academic geographic terminology, the Geography division of VA might better be named World: since place articles discuss the crossdisciplinary importance of the places, not toponymy. The articles Malawi and Rawalpindi are not focussed on those names; they are focussed on the historical, political, and cultural importance of the respective places. I resent you calling them "place names" since the articles quite clearly aren't about the names. On the other hand, Canton discusses the name of an administrative division in several countries. What I mean by calling it a "place name" is the likes of Una-Sana Canton and Moravia (canton). J947 ‡ ^edits 06:31, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

Geography as a discipline is a sea saw tipped between Nomothetic and idiographic and , there are large movements in geography that advocate a focus on case studies to describe the uniqueness of specific places, and there are large movements to focus on generalized widely applicable theories. Unfortunately, the list here pushes hard towards the idiographic, and we are missing a lot of the high level generalized concepts that are within the nomothetic approaches. It's fair to state the articles are more then pure toponomy, but the list really seems like an effort to collect as many place names as possible. Place names, cities, towns, and countries are dust in the wind, concepts like city, town, and country are a bit more permanent. Concepts like Canton, Sovereign state  4, and other concepts should probably be higher then individual countries and cities. At the very least, they should be included. Furthermore, at the highest level we use really poor methods for our groupings, as stated above. Continents are the worst way to do regions in my opinion, and Europe is as much a "continent" (in the geologic sense) as Florida. If we want to get cultural, the only reason Europe is a continent and not India, the Middle East, and North/South/East/West/Central Africa is because Europeans have declared their culture to be so important that it warrants a "continent." Would much prefer we organize the higher levels around concepts, rather then some elementary school level attempt at drafting regions. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 08:09, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

I agree with your observations about academic geography and I am well aware of its difficult place as (in many respects) both a science and a humanity. What I'm trying to express, albeit hamfistedly, is that academic geography is significantly different to the sum of encyclopaedic knowledge of the world. It is significantly easier to write neutral, tertiary information about the idiographic than the nomothetic, and readers generally some seeking the former. The VA history list focusses less on theories and concepts than it does events, because that reflects the nature of a broad database of knowledge. On the continent point, there is a significant English, Eurocentric bias to this list – and if we are to change that fact, there are much easier ways to do it than change the continent categorisation, since that's a feature of how the encyclopaedia divides up the world rather than how VA does it. One final observation: a canton is just another name for a subdivision that will sooner or later be lost to history. For that reason, I don't think it's a great choice for an encyclopaedia to prioritise. J947 ‡ ^edits 01:53, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

I had a high level proposal a bit ago that I'm reworking now. Part of it passed but didn't have room, and then got a rush of opposition before the removals passed, so I'm thinking about how to repackage. Essentially, geography at a high level is broken several different ways, including branches, traditions, themes, etc. I think that we could use human, physical, and technical geography at level 2 or 3, and then divide up human geography by region (not continent). That is how the geography page is organized, as well as categories and such. Physical geography isn't that much of an issue though. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 06:35, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

Census tract

From the lede: "A census tract, census area, census district or meshblock is a geographic region defined for the purpose of taking a census." They are used in multiple countries.

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 19:35, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Only two interwikis. Bluevestman (talk) 05:01, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

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Census block

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From the lede: "A census block is the smallest geographic unit used by the United States Census Bureau for tabulation of 100-percent data (data collected from all houses, rather than a sample of houses). The number of blocks in the United States, including Puerto Rico and other island areas, for the 2020 Census was 8,180,866."

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 19:35, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Just one interwiki and unclear if anybody but the Census Bureau uses this term _pbp 21:40, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
2. Not sure what this adds to the concept of a census. CMD (talk) 05:07, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
3. Bluevestman (talk) 05:01, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

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Census block group

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From the lede: "A Census Block Group is a geographical unit used by the United States Census Bureau which is between the Census Tract and the Census Block. It is the smallest geographical unit for which the bureau publishes sample data, i.e. data which is only collected from a fraction of all households. Typically, Block Groups have a population of 600 to 3,000 people."

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 19:35, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Just one interwiki and unclear if anybody but the Census Bureau uses this term _pbp 21:40, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
2. Similar to above, the specific details of US census methodology are probably not vital. CMD (talk) 05:08, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
3. Bluevestman (talk) 05:01, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

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Add Move Najd

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Najd  4 is listed on level 4 but not on level 5. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 15:47, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

Now I see that it is listed as physical geography on both levels 4 and 5, but I would like to list it as a region since I've more often seen it mentioned as a historical region than as a plateau and the article is more about the history, culture and demographics than about physical geography. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 14:25, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

@Lophotrochozoa: I support moving Najd to regions. Would you put in under Saudi Arabia, or in Middle East? If under Middle East, then Hejaz  4 should be moved there too. Al-Yamama  5 should also go under Najd  4. 96.89.123.89 (talk) 18:30, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

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Add Sugarloaf Mountain

Huge landmark of Rio de Janeiro  4. Has 55 interwikis, indicating it's a well-known worldwide.

Support

1. Bluevestman (talk) 00:32, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 12:15, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
3. Makkool (talk) 16:19, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
4. 飞车过大关 (talk) 11:51, 17 November 2025 (UTC)

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0 interwiki article purge

1ctinus very kindly provided a list of the articles with 0 interwikis. Here's everything that I believe falls into this category (this category has the least by far, for whatever reason)

Remove Timeline of military aviation

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Military aviation  5 is only VA5, and it's the norm for the "history of" article to be a level lower than the subject itself, so this seems easy to cut. The article's in pretty bad shape as is.

Support

1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 08:37, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 15:39, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
3. Bluevestman (talk) 06:53, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
4. I don't like listing timelines. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:29, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
5. Per nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 04:54, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

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Remove History of Philadelphia

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A surprising no-interwiki-wonder to me. I guess it's somewhat debatable whether a "history of" article for a subject should even exist separate from the article. Maybe there should be a bigger prune on these types of articles from the list.

Support

1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 08:37, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Bluevestman (talk) 20:26, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
3. A big town, but not one that is famous or important enough to merit its history at V5. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:15, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
4. Per nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 04:54, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

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Remove History of rugby league

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What it sounds like.

Support

1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 08:37, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Bluevestman (talk) 20:26, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
3. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 13:41, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
4. Rugby league  4 is V4, but frankly, I think it should be demoted. Rugby football  4 is also V4, and league is its child. History of it should be at V6. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:15, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
5. Per nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 04:54, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

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Remove Qualitative geography

"A subfield and methodological approach to geography focusing on nominal data, descriptive information, and the subjective and interpretive aspects of how humans experience and perceive the world." It seems decently broad. I guess Human geography  4 covers some of the ground that this article does.

Support

1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 08:37, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Bluevestman (talk) 20:26, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
3. Per nom--Hoben7599 (talk) 11:00, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
4. 飞车过大关 (talk) 14:11, 22 November 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Oppose. I created this article, but I'm not a qualitative geographer. I will say that in the discipline of geography this is probably more important then the place names we list. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:30, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

   Oh, wow. You created this article. That's totally a good reason not to remove it. Bluevestman (talk) 20:26, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

   I was disclosing that I created it before voting, not using it as part of an argument, no reason to get aggressive or be dismissive, I'm just making it clear that I have some "stake" in the article. To elaborate though, your reasoning about human geography is flawed as qualitative geographic methods are not limited to human geographic phenomena. It is a subset of Technical geography  4 (An article I also originated) and has some applications in Physical geography  4 (In fact the former president of the American Association of Geographers Rebecca Lave (An article I also originated) applies Critical geography to bridge the gap between physical and human geography, which would generally involve qualitative methods). We include Quantitative geography  5 (an article I also originated) as well. Furthermore, this was added fairly recently, 4-0, on 16 January 2025. Not quite the 6 month months rule of thumb for "Wikipedia:Vital articles#Relitigation," although that is not a hard rule and I'm not the biggest fan of it anyway. Interwiki links is not a good metric alone for measuring an articles vitalness, as it will relate to how recent an article is, and is impacted by some people who actively try to translate articles into multiple languages. We need a composite statistic that is measured against outside sources and qualitative values of vitalness. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 20:11, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

2. Clearly an important field of geography. The rationale doesn't make sense to me. 96.65.201.225 (talk) 02:52, 3 September 2025 (UTC)

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Remove History of swimming

Actually, I'm not convinced this should be removed. If the article existed in more languages, I would definitely defend this articles placement on the list.

Support

1. Bluevestman (talk) 20:26, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 15:48, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
3. 飞车过大关 (talk) 14:12, 22 November 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Your reasoning is entirely based on language links, I oppose the use of that single data point, especially as no one has gotten around to adding it to the vital article criteria..GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 20:26, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

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ALittleClass (talk) 08:37, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

Add several types of settlments

We have a bias towards large urban centers in the vital articles, despite these not being the norm for much of human history. Below are a few concepts and specific cultural examples of communities that I think should be included at least at level 5.

Add Aul

From the lede "An aul (/ˈɔːl/; lit. 'village') is a type of fortified village or town found throughout the Caucasus and Central Asia." Adding this can help a bit with our western bias.

support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 19:56, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Per nom.飞车过大关 (talk) 14:14, 22 November 2025 (UTC)

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neutral

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Add Linear village

From the lede "a linear settlement is a (normally small to medium-sized) settlement or group of buildings that is formed in a long line." This is a basic concept in studying human settlement patterns.

support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 19:56, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 11:19, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
3. 96.95.142.29 (talk) 20:35, 1 October 2025 (UTC)

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neutral

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Add Village green

From the lede "A village green is a common open area within a village or other settlement. Historically, a village green was common grassland with a pond for watering cattle and other stock, often at the edge of a rural settlement, used for gathering cattle to bring them later on to a common land for grazing.[citation needed] Later, planned greens were built into the centres of villages."

support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 19:56, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 13:33, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

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neutral

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Add Pedestrian village

From the lede "A pedestrian village is a compact, pedestrian-oriented neighborhood or town with a mixed-use village center." This is an important concept in modern city planning.

support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 19:56, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

oppose

1. Too niche as of yet. J947 ‡ ^edits 00:15, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

neutral

discuss

Add Fishing village

From the lede "A fishing village is a village, usually located near a fishing ground, with an economy based on catching fish and harvesting seafood." This is a fairly basic concept as far as human civilizations go.

support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 19:56, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 11:35, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
3. Diamondarmorstev (talk) 14:18, 2 October 2025 (UTC)
4. 飞车过大关 (talk) 18:08, 18 November 2025 (UTC)

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neutral

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Add Pā

From the lede "The word pā (Māori pronunciation: [ˈpaː]; often spelled pa in English) can refer to any Māori village or defensive settlement, but often refers to hillforts – fortified settlements with palisades and defensive terraces – and also to fortified villages." Adding this can help a bit with our western bias.

support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 19:56, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

oppose

1. Hillfort  5 would be a strong proposal, but although important this is a big stretch. It's only due to Western bias that pā is being nominated rather than similar concepts in Africa and Asia. J947 ‡ ^edits 00:13, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

   Do you want to nominate Hillfort  5? I'd support that. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 00:32, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

neutral

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Add Kampong (not OP)

A type of traditional village in Southeast Asia.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:35, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

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Add several archeological sites for significant historic settlements

Add Jebel Irhoud

From the lede "Jebel Irhoud or Adrar n Ighoud, is an archaeological site located just north of the town of Tlet Ighoud in Youssoufia Province, approximately 50 km (30 mi) south-east of the city of Safi in Morocco. It is noted for the hominin fossils that have been found there since the discovery of the site in 1961. Originally thought to be Neanderthals, the specimens have since been assigned to Homo sapiens and, as reported in 2017, have been dated to roughly 300,000 years ago (286±32 ka for the Irhoud 3 mandible, 315±34 ka based on other fossils and the flint artefacts found nearby)."

support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 20:20, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
2. J947 ‡ ^edits 00:08, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
3. Makkool (talk) 13:46, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
4. Bluevestman (talk) 18:32, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

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Add Ohalo II

From lede "Ohalo II is an archaeological site in the Northern District, Israel, near Kinneret, on the southwest shore of the Sea of Galilee. It is one of the best preserved hunter-gatherer archaeological sites of the Last Glacial Maximum, radiocarbon dated to around 23,000 BP (calibrated)."

support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 20:20, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 13:46, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

oppose

1. We probably list too many historical cities as is, and this by all metrics this is simply way less vital than those which we do list. J947 ‡ ^edits 00:08, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

neutral

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Add El Abra

From lede "El Abra is the name given to an extensive archeological site, located in the valley of the same name. El Abra is situated in the east of the municipality Zipaquirá extending to the westernmost part of Tocancipá in the department of Cundinamarca, Colombia. The several hundred metres long series of rock shelters is in the north of the Bogotá savanna on the Altiplano Cundiboyacense, Eastern Ranges of the Colombian Andes at an altitude of 2,570 metres (8,430 ft). The rock shelter and cave system is one of the first evidences of human settlement in the Americas, dated at 12,400 ± 160 years BP."

support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 20:20, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 13:46, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
3. Per nom. 96.95.142.29 (talk) 20:16, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

oppose

1. We probably list too many historical cities as is, and this by all metrics this is simply way less vital than those which we do list. J947 ‡ ^edits 00:08, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

neutral

discuss

Add Aetokremnos

From lede "Aetokremnos is a rock shelter near Limassol on the southern coast of Cyprus. It is widely considered to host some of the oldest evidence of human habitation of Cyprus, dating to around 12,000 years ago."

support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 20:20, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 13:46, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

oppose

1. We probably list too many historical cities as is, and this by all metrics this is simply way less vital than those which we do list. J947 ‡ ^edits 00:08, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

neutral

discuss

GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 20:20, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

Add some more city and state concepts

Add Hillfort  5

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Per above discussion with @J947, I think this form of settlment is worth including.

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 00:48, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Thanks. Appears to appear all over the world. J947 ‡ ^edits 00:55, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
3. Put your fort on a hill. Just makes sense. CMD (talk) 02:14, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
4. Bluevestman (talk) 20:37, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

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Neutral

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Add Federated state  5

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A federated state is a type of state that forms a Federation  4. An example would be the States in the United States of America. This was mentioned above by @User:Chipmunkdavis.

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 00:48, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Sovereignty sharing in the post-Westphalia world. CMD (talk) 02:15, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
3. Bluevestman (talk) 20:47, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
4. Definitely a vital topic. 96.95.142.29 (talk) 21:48, 15 August 2025 (UTC)

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Add Vassal state

Per the lede, "any state that has a mutual obligation to a superior state or empire, in a status similar to that of a vassal in the feudal system in medieval Europe."

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 00:48, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discuss

• Wondering if making Vassal a VA might be a better path. CMD (talk) 02:16, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

I think that would fall into a different category, however Vassal state is still used today in multiple contexts, often as a psudo-slur for countries involved in an alliance with one of the Superpowers. A vassal might be one person, however it is possible for Democracies to be Vassal states, if only in theory. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 21:45, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

Add Puppet state  5

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Per the lede, "A puppet state, puppet régime, puppet government or dummy government is a state that is de jure independent but de facto completely dependent upon an outside power and subject to its orders."

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 00:48, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Important concept, especially historically. CMD (talk) 02:17, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
3. Bluevestman (talk) 20:34, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
4. Per nom.--Hoben7599 (talk) 10:36, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

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Neutral

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Add Protectorate

Per the lede, "in the context of international relations, is a state that is under protection by another state for defence against aggression and other violations of law."

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 00:48, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Support, absent some wider structure for handling state relations. CMD (talk) 02:17, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
3. Bluevestman (talk) 20:47, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
4. Important in geopolitics. 96.95.142.29 (talk) 20:14, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

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Neutral

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Add Middle power

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Not a Great power  5 or Superpower  5, but part of the same conceptual framework of international power dynamics.

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 00:48, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Redudant to regional power as the two are often equated, plus regional power is cited much more often, be it the news, day-to-day, but specially in international relations. The Blue Rider 03:27, 3 September 2025 (UTC)

   The model is superpower, great power, middle power, Small power. Regional power is a related but separate concept, and it is relative to the region the country finds itself in. Middle powers are not always particularly influential within their regions, for example, there are 19 European "Middle powers" on the global stage, regionally they are generally out maneuvered by the Great Powers around them (France, UK, Germany), which serve as the dominant "regional power." If you transferred a country with the wealth and military of Portugal to central Africa, it would become a tremendously influential regional power. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 22:50, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

2. Per The Blue Rider. 96.95.142.29 (talk) 20:12, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

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Add Regional power

Per the lede "In international relations, regional power, since the late 20th century, has been used for a sovereign state that exercises significant power within its geographical region"

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 00:48, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
2. A very much used and important term in international relations. The Blue Rider 03:28, 3 September 2025 (UTC)
3. Per The Blue Rider. 96.95.142.29 (talk) 20:13, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

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Neutral

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Add Suzerainty

Per the lede, "A suzerain (/ˈsuːzərən, -reɪn/, from Old French sus "above" + soverain "supreme, chief") is a person, state or polity who has supremacy and dominant influence over the foreign policy and economic relations of another subordinate party or polity, but allows internal autonomy to that subordinate."

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 00:48, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Important historical concept. CMD (talk) 02:18, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
3. Bluevestman (talk) 20:47, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
4.  Carlwev  23:10, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

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Neutral

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GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 00:48, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

Swap Anglo-Iraqi War with Battle of Shanghai

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The Battle of Shanghai had far higher casualties and lasted longer: 3 months, 1 week and 6 days compared to 4 weeks and 1 day. It also gets more pageviews.

Support

1. Sahaib (talk) 21:31, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Per nom--Hoben7599 (talk) 10:59, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
3. Makkool (talk) 15:48, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
4. ChaoticVermillion (converse, contribs) 23:19, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

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Remove History of women in the United States and LGBTQ history in the United States

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In case this raises any eyebrows - we list both Women's history  4 and LGBTQ history  5 but nowhere else do we list articles on specific countries for these two, and both women and LGBTQ people exist in every country, there's no reason to prioritize the US

Support

1. As nom Iostn (talk) 02:00, 6 July 2025 (UTC)
2. Per nom.--Hoben7599 (talk) 10:46, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
3. Makkool (talk) 15:48, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
4. Eyebrows were raised, but nom convinced me. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:41, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

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Remove Battle of Kabul (1992–1996)  5, Battle of Sirte (2011)  5, and Woo Bum-kon incident  5.

Battles and events that seem to me to be of little importance and should not be listed.

Support

1. As nom--Hoben7599 (talk) 10:58, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
2. Support all Makkool (talk) 15:48, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
3. 飞车过大关 (talk) 20:21, 23 November 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Only on Woo Bum-kon incident: a major mass murder or murderer like this should be listed, especially as things like this are less common in South Korea than the USA. I don't think whether the subject is the person or the attack really matters. (Neutral on other two). 96.95.142.29 (talk) 19:13, 4 October 2025 (UTC)

Discuss

1. FYI Woo Bum-kon incident only got listed under History in the first place as a result of a pagemove from "Woo Bum-kon" to "incident" (it used to be included under Misc Bios > Criminals), which seems highly questionable to me frankly when sources covering it are only framing it around his own name to begin with Iostn (talk) 22:44, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Remove Dixie  5

Support

1. Synonymous with Deep South  5 or Southern United States  4. Doesn't add anything to the list. 96.79.100.209 (talk) 03:11, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
2. The scope of the article is intermingled with covering the history and culture of the actual term "Dixie" instead of the land, and I don't think the term is vital. ALittleClass (talk) 21:16, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
3. 飞车过大关 (talk) 14:15, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
4. The Account 2 (talk) 21:10, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

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Add 1955 Le Mans disaster  5

Historic motor racing crash, led to years-long bans on motorsport in several countries throughout Europe. Also by far the deadliest accident in motor racing history, and I was very surprised to see this article with 27 interwikis not listed.

Support

1. As nom. Æ's old account wasn't working (talk) 14:28, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

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Add Workhouse

While this is specific to England or the UK, this is important as an early modern response to poverty. I am not sure if this goes under "Society" or, if in history, either in the early modern or late modern sections.

Support

1. As nom. 50.173.56.99 (talk) 02:40, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

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Add Sutton Hoo

A major Anglo-Saxon settlement and archaelogical site in England. Add to historical cities.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 09:17, 19 July 2025 (UTC)
2. Iostn (talk) 21:52, 3 September 2025 (UTC)

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Discuss

Remove Northern European national parks

These are my own additions from years ago, and I think now that they can be removed. Northern Europe (and Finland especially) has overrepresenation, and I think listing Sweden's Stora Sjöfallet is enough.

Remove Kaldoaivi Wilderness Area

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Non-vital national park in Finland. A stub rated low-importance in Wikiproject Protected areas.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 17:06, 19 July 2025 (UTC)
2. Bluevestman (talk) 23:39, 23 August 2025 (UTC)
3. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 08:02, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
4. This can go. 96.95.142.29 (talk) 19:48, 24 September 2025 (UTC)
5. Aye. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:17, 29 September 2025 (UTC)

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Remove Käsivarsi Wilderness Area

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Non-vital national park in Finland. A stub rated low-importance in Wikiproject Protected areas.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 17:06, 19 July 2025 (UTC)
2. Bluevestman (talk) 23:39, 23 August 2025 (UTC)
3. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 08:02, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
4. This one can go. 96.95.142.29 (talk) 19:46, 24 September 2025 (UTC)
5. Aye. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:17, 29 September 2025 (UTC)

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Remove Lapland Biosphere Reserve  5

Non-vital national park in the European part of Russia. Rated low-importance in Wikiproject Protected areas.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 17:06, 19 July 2025 (UTC)
2. Highly restricted access, so of too niche interest to justify low stats. The phrase "the largest ecoregion in Europe" refers to Scandinavian and Russian taiga.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 08:02, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
3. Aye. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:17, 29 September 2025 (UTC)
4. 飞车过大关 (talk) 18:15, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
5. The Account 2 (talk) 21:10, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

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Remove Lemmenjoki National Park

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Non-vital national park in Finland. A stub rated low-importance in Wikiproject Protected areas.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 17:06, 19 July 2025 (UTC)
2. Bluevestman (talk) 23:39, 23 August 2025 (UTC)
3. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 08:02, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
4. This can go. 96.95.142.29 (talk) 19:48, 24 September 2025 (UTC)
5. Aye. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:17, 29 September 2025 (UTC)

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Remove Urho Kekkonen National Park  5

Non-vital national park in Finland. Rated low-importance in Wikiproject Protected areas.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 17:06, 19 July 2025 (UTC)
2. Aye. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:17, 29 September 2025 (UTC)
3. 飞车过大关 (talk) 18:14, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
4. The Account 2 (talk) 21:10, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

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Discuss

Highest pageviews of the proposals, but not as many visitors as the not-listed Pallas-Yllästunturi National Park, which is rated Mid-importance in both Protected areas and Finland wikiprojects, and could be a potential swap if we want to retain more Nordic national park representation. (This is just in Finland, others could come up with better Nordic swap candidates.)--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 08:02, 24 August 2025 (UTC)

Remove Varangerhalvøya National Park  5

Non-vital national park in Norway. Rated mid-importance in Wikiproject Protected areas.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 17:06, 19 July 2025 (UTC)
2. We don't need so many of these. Including at least one would be good. 96.95.142.29 (talk) 19:45, 24 September 2025 (UTC)
3. Aye. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:17, 29 September 2025 (UTC)
4. 飞车过大关 (talk) 18:15, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
5. The Account 2 (talk) 21:11, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

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Add Puerto Princesa Subterranean River National Park

Located in the Philippines. Listed as one of the New 7 Wonders of Nature; the other 6 are listed (well, Komodo National Park  5 is listed instead of Komodo (island).

Support

1. As nom. 50.173.56.99 (talk) 04:32, 20 July 2025 (UTC)
2. Good to have diversity in the national parks section, and I think we should complete the new 7 wonders of nature list. Makkool (talk) 13:46, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
3. 飞车过大关 (talk) 18:16, 18 November 2025 (UTC)

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Add Onitsha

This city in Nigeria has experienced rapid urbanization. I see quite a lot of disagreement over the population in sources, but it's definitely over a million.

Support

1. As nom. 96.65.201.81 (talk) 19:48, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
2. I think all 642 cities with a conurbation population > 1 million should be listed. Reckon China is the only place where this isn't really done right now (145 million cities vs. 156 listed), which is reasonable to some extent. Onitsha is Nigeria's only unlisted, with the caveat that populations of Nigerian cities are notoriously difficult to estimate, despite citypopulation.de's appearing to be a low estimate. (But with 9 at VA4 and 29 at VA5, more Nigerian cities should be listed.) J947 ‡ ^edits 07:46, 1 November 2025 (UTC)
3. 飞车过大关 (talk) 18:18, 18 November 2025 (UTC)

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• @J947: I've made a list of all unlisted agglomerations over 1 million according to citypopulation.de. As you suspected, nearly all are in China. 96.95.142.29 (talk) 18:45, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

Extended content

1. Linyi (current proposal)
2. Weifang
3. Jiangyin / Zhangjiagang
4. Liuzhou
5. Ganzhou
6. Huai'an
7. Huainan
8. Wuhu
9. Xiangyang
10. Huzhou
11. Puyang
12. Shangrao
13. Yulin, Guangxi
14. Tai'an
15. Taizhou, Jiangsu
16. Yancheng
17. Benguela (Angola) (current proposal)
18. Fuyang
19. Xuchang
20. Yichang
21. Dazhou
22. Qingyuan
23. Yibin
24. Lu'an
25. Dezhou
26. Karawang
27. Hengyang
28. Cape Coral, Florida (USA)
29. Onitsha (Nigeria)
30. Suqian
31. Xinyang
32. Cirebon
33. Wanzhou, Chongqing
34. Ezhou / Huanggang
35. Shuyang County
36. Yongkang, Zhejiang
37. Zhoukou
38. Beihai
39. Shaoyang
40. Chuzhou
41. Hengshui
42. Shiyan
43. Guigang
44. Londrina (Brazil)
45. Liuyang
46. Liupanshui
47. Greenville, South Carolina (USA) (has been proposed in past)
48. Linfen
49. Tengzhou

I would use the thank feature but unfortunately that's not possible. This is a very useful resource. J947 ‡ ^edits 00:22, 3 November 2025 (UTC)

Add Uberlândia, remove San Fernando, Chile  5

Chile is way over-represented compared to Brazil - Chile has one VA5 city per ~1.7 million people, Brazil has one per ~5.8 million. Also Uberlândia is bigger. It's the second largest city in Minas Gerais  4 but 537 kilometres from the state capital, Belo Horizonte  4. 50.145.215.26 (talk) 22:09, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nom. 50.145.215.26 (talk) 22:10, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 15:48, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
3. Per nom; both addition and removal are pretty clearcut. J947 ‡ ^edits 07:54, 1 November 2025 (UTC)
4. 飞车过大关 (talk) 18:19, 18 November 2025 (UTC)

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Add Benguela

Fourth largest city in Angola  4, founded in 1617.

Support

1. As nom. 50.145.215.26 (talk) 22:17, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

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Add Potosí

An engine of the early modern global economy, central to the Spanish Empire's wealth, in the Global silver trade from the 16th to 19th centuries  5. It was the largest city in the Americas and one of the largest in the world during the 17th century

Support

1. As nom. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:19, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
2. Per nom. 96.95.142.29 (talk) 17:50, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
3. 飞车过大关 (talk) 18:20, 18 November 2025 (UTC)

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Featured article review for History of Poland (1945–1989)

I have nominated History of Poland (1945–1989) for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:46, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

Swap Illampu for Llullaillaco

Llullaillaco is the second highest active volcano on Earth behind Ojos del Salado  5, has its own national park and is important archeologically. Illampu does not seem to have any significant vitality as even Ancohuma, the third-highest in Bolivia is not listed.

Support

1. 125.237.67.137 (talk) 04:50, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 15:48, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
3. 飞车过大关 (talk) 18:21, 18 November 2025 (UTC)

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Add Virunga National Park

Virunga National Park is a UNESCO heritage site and one of the oldest national parks in Africa. Important to biodiversity including over 2000 plant species, nearly 200 mammals and over 70 bird species. Houses Mount Nyiragongo  5.

Support

1. 125.237.67.137 (talk) 04:50, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
2. Definitely Makkool (talk) 15:48, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
3. 飞车过大关 (talk) 18:22, 18 November 2025 (UTC)

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125.237.67.137 (talk) 04:50, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

Add Shan Hills

Mountains in Eastern Myanmar and Northwest Thailand. Despite having low pageviews, this is a significant geographical feature in Southeast Asia.

Support

1. As nom. 166.140.230.92 (talk) 22:55, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
2. Diamondarmorstev (talk) 13:55, 2 October 2025 (UTC)
3. 飞车过大关 (talk) 18:24, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
4. The Account 2 (talk) 21:11, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

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Add Annamite Range

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Mountains extending through most of Vietnam.

Support

1. As nom. 166.140.230.92 (talk) 22:56, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

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Annamite Range  5 is already listed at VA 5 and has been since at latest 2020 Diamondarmorstev (talk) 14:07, 2 October 2025 (UTC)

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Add Eastern Ghats

Seems slightly less important than Western Ghats  4, but still vital. Long mountain range.

Support

1. As nom. 166.140.230.92 (talk) 22:58, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

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Add Arakan Mountains, Patkai, Purvanchal Range, or Indo-Burman Ranges

These mountain ranges form the eastern border of the Indian subcontinent and South Asia. Indo-Burman Ranges appears to be the broadest subject, but it only covers geology, and has the fewest page views and zero interwikis. I don’t know which is best to list.

Support

1. I support any of the above. 166.140.230.92 (talk) 23:03, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

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Add Kingdom of Naples  5

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If Kingdom of Sicily  4 is VA4, this might be important enough for this level.

Support

1. As nom. To Post-classical Italy Tabu Makiadi (talk) 17:00, 5 August 2025 (UTC)
2. Per nom. 96.89.118.93 (talk) 18:29, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
3. Diamondarmorstev (talk) 01:12, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
4. ChaoticVermillion (talk) 09:10, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

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Add Solomonic dynasty and Ottoman dynasty

The latter is often translated as "the House of Osman". These are the two most lasting, influential dynasties in world history. Both ruled from the 13th to the 20th century.

Support

1. As nom. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 17:00, 5 August 2025 (UTC)
2. The Account 2 (talk) 21:12, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

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Add Encomienda

Like Indentured servitude  5, this was a labor system of the early modern period. It was extensively used throughout Spanish America in the 16th century, and defined the relationship between Europeans and indigenous peoples, with its history being a little longer than that. The repartimiento system and reductions-style governance were built on top of the Encomiendas.

Support

1. As nom. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 17:00, 5 August 2025 (UTC)
2. Per nom. 96.89.118.93 (talk) 18:29, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

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Add Adam's Bridge, remove a cape/peninsula of Japan

Adam's Bridge is an interesting geographical formation between India and Sri Lanka in the Palk Strait  4 that also has religious significance. It gets about 1000 daily pageviews, and is extended protected because there is a dispute over whether the title should be "Rama's Bridge".

There are currently 14 capes and peninsulas listed in Japan. I suggest swapping out either

• Cape Sata  5, which is included for being the southernmost point of the four main islands of Japan (as the southernmost point of Kyūshū), but doesn't seem that important, getting 12 daily pageviews, or
• Cape Kamui  5, which is mentioned (on Japanese Wikipedia) as happening some shipping accidents and once had a tsunami, getting 14 daily pageviews.

Support

1. As nom. 166.140.230.92 (talk) 19:40, 7 August 2025 (UTC)
2. Support swapping with Cape Kamui ChaoticVermillion (talk) 08:55, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

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Add Manilla galleon

The first permanent trade route between Asia and the Americas, and the only one for 250 years. Important for communication between the two continents. The first Asian people to live in the Americas came through the galleon.

Support

1. As nom. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 04:06, 10 August 2025 (UTC)

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Add Battle of Las Navas de Tolosa

Militarily speaking, this is perhaps the most significant turning point of the "Reconquista". One of the biggest battles fought in Europe during the Middle Ages.

Support

1. As nom. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 04:06, 10 August 2025 (UTC)

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Add Bactria–Margiana Archaeological Complex

Bronze Age culture in Central Asia.

Support

1. As nom. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 04:06, 10 August 2025 (UTC)

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Add Kurgan hypothesis

"The most widely accepted proposal to identify the Proto-Indo-European homeland from which the Indo-European languages spread out throughout Europe and Asia". As influential as history hypotheses get.

Support

1. As nom. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 04:06, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
2. Iostn (talk) 21:52, 3 September 2025 (UTC)

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Add Linyi, remove Laiwu  5

Both cities in Shandong  4, China. However, Linyi has an urban population of 1,911,000, and apparently its total prefectural population is over 11 million. Laiwu was formerly a prefecture-level city but it was demoted to county-level city in 2019 and is in the prefecture of Jinan  4, and its urban population is only 870,000. Linyi also has over ten times as many pageviews in English, and over three times as many in Chinese.

Support

1. As nom. 172.56.170.142 (talk) 23:37, 11 August 2025 (UTC)
2. Diamondarmorstev (talk) 23:39, 21 September 2025 (UTC)
3. 飞车过大关 (talk) 18:26, 18 November 2025 (UTC)

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Add Jingdezhen  5

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Another Chinese city, but China is the most underrepresented country in terms of VA5 cities per urban population, at an average of 6 million per listed city, compared to 2.4 million for the world. Jingdezhen has an urban population of 1 million according to https://www.demographia.com/db-worldua.pdf and has been famous for porcelain production for a millenium. It will be the third city listed in Jiangxi  5 (population 45 million).

Support

1. As nom. 96.65.201.81 (talk) 23:53, 11 August 2025 (UTC)
2. Iostn (talk) 21:52, 3 September 2025 (UTC)
3. aye.飞车过大关 (talk) 06:15, 23 October 2025 (UTC)
4. The Account 2 (talk) 12:29, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

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Add Tamale, Ghana

Ghana is the fourth most underrepresented country by urban population per VA5 cities (after China, Guinea, and Brazil), at an average of 5 million per listed city, compared to 2.4 million for the world. Tamale, Ghana has an urban population of 1 million according to https://www.demographia.com/db-worldua.pdf, which makes it the fourth largest urban area in Ghana.

Support

1. As nom. 172.56.170.142 (talk) 00:06, 12 August 2025 (UTC)
2. 飞车过大关 (talk) 18:33, 18 November 2025 (UTC)

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Diosso gorge and Sanmenxia gorge

It says redlinks can be vital articles. Diosso and Sanmenxia were originally listed with the text "Diosso Gorge" and "Sanmenxia Gorge" but the "gorge" was removed on Special:Diff/1059138414 and they were then removed from the list here. fr:Gorges de Diosso is an article in French. Should these be added as redlinks? 204.195.97.109 (talk) 02:51, 13 August 2025 (UTC)

I think that clause regarding redlinks should be removed. Bluevestman (talk) 23:44, 23 August 2025 (UTC)

Add Prehistoric Africa, Prehistoric Asia, and Prehistoric Europe

Geographic subsets of Prehistory  2. Prehistoric Asia is probably most needed, or some other article with the same scope, as none of the current prehistory articles seem to cover it in depth.

Support

1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 22:43, 16 August 2025 (UTC)

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Add Gorée

Although the size of its importance in the Atlantic slave trade  4 has increasingly been questioned, I still think this World Heritage Site should still be on here. Not sure if this should be listed under islands or cities (under Dakar  4 obviously) though.

Support

1. Neutral regarding placement. Bluevestman (talk) 23:37, 23 August 2025 (UTC)
2. List under islands since it isn't mainly known as an urban centre Iostn (talk) 21:52, 3 September 2025 (UTC)

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Add Middle East and North Africa

I'm shocked that this region is not already included. MENA is a "geographic region which comprises the Middle East  3 (also called West Asia) and North Africa  4 together." "As a regional identifier, the term "MENA" is often used in academia, military planning, disaster relief, media planning (as a broadcast region), and business writing." As a geographer, MENA is as important as Europe  2, Western Europe  4, and Eastern Europe  4. The fact it is not already included at a higher level, much less level 5, is something I can only attribute to systemic bias.

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:33, 5 September 2025 (UTC)
2. Likely not listed yet because we list the two parts separately, but I think we can make room for this. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:54, 6 September 2025 (UTC)
3. It makes sense. Many organizations use the category "Middle East and North Africa" as one of the first-level divisions of the world. 96.95.142.29 (talk) 19:57, 29 September 2025 (UTC)
4. Sure ChaoticVermillion (talk) 07:29, 31 October 2025 (UTC)
5. 飞车过大关 (talk) 18:34, 18 November 2025 (UTC)

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Add several geography concepts

Add Integrated geography

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:47, 6 September 2025 (UTC)

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Add Geomatics

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:47, 6 September 2025 (UTC)

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Neutral

Add Cultural diffusion  5

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Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:47, 6 September 2025 (UTC)
2. Very important topic for human history. (Article is not great.) CMD (talk) 03:11, 6 September 2025 (UTC)
3. 96.95.142.29 (talk) 20:11, 14 September 2025 (UTC)
4. Diamondarmorstev (talk) 00:09, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

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Add Distance decay

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:47, 6 September 2025 (UTC)

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1. Lean oppose but ultimately not sure, this is partially redundant to the above Cultural diffusion, and otherwise is diffuse to the point of being quite a bland statement. Specific applications like Economies of agglomeration would likely better serve understanding. CMD (talk) 03:13, 6 September 2025 (UTC)

   Distance decay applies outside Human geography. It is one of the fundamentals of Spatial analysis  5, and the basis of Tobler's first law of geography. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 21:46, 6 September 2025 (UTC)

   I agree it's fundamental, but that it so diffusely applies to so many areas is part of the issue. Ultimately in the way it's fundamental in the way that triangles have internal angles that add up to 180. I'm not sure how much it adds on its own as an article, as it seems too simple and axiomatic. CMD (talk) 04:29, 7 September 2025 (UTC)

   The first two vital article criteria are Coverage and Essential to Wikipedia's other articles. In geography, the fundamentals like this both cover a lot and are widely applicable to other articles. Listing 1,000 specific cities, all the countries, and various other places really only matters because they are notable, but this one topic is probably more useful overall then specific places. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:42, 11 September 2025 (UTC)

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Add Decembrist Revolt

Failed liberal revolution in the Russian Empire. While out of sync with other European political movements of this period, this marked the beginning of the Russian revolutionary tradition, which would eventually become pretty influential.

Support

1. As nom. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 00:09, 7 September 2025 (UTC)
2. aye.飞车过大关 (talk) 06:16, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

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Add Sharpeville massacre

Really surprised this isn't on here considering how it marked the beginning of South Africa's isolation. Has 8 more interwikis than the Soweto uprising  5.

Support

1. Bluevestman (talk) 18:40, 12 September 2025 (UTC)
2. Historically significant event. 96.95.142.29 (talk) 18:17, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

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Add Niagara River

Water source for Niagara Falls  4.

Support

1. Bluevestman (talk) 20:04, 17 September 2025 (UTC)
2. Having grown up in Western New York and visited Niagara Falls a few dozen times and spent time on the beaches at Beaver Island State Park a few times, my first inclination was to oppose, but we have 53 North American rivers, listed and I guess this is one of the 50 most vital North American rivers.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:45, 17 September 2025 (UTC)
3. Aye. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:28, 1 October 2025 (UTC)

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Add Women's liberation movement

Add to History. The article states that from the 1960's to the 1980's women's "liberationists successfully changed how women were perceived in their cultures, redefined the socio-economic and the political roles of women in society, and transformed mainstream society."

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1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:38, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

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Add Finger Lakes

if Lake Mead  5 and the Salton Sea  5 can make their way onto the list, surely there's room for the Finger Lakes.

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1. Diamondarmorstev (talk) 01:49, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

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Add Korean Wave

International phenomenon that has significantly contributed to the economy of South Korea  3 during the 21st century through tourism and cultural exports. Encompasses multiple vital articles such as K-pop  4, Winter Sonata  5, Jumong (TV series)  5, BTS  5, Gangnam Style  4, Blackpink  5, Parasite (2019 film)  5, Squid Game  5, etc.

Support

1. As nom. Lazman321 (talk) 02:52, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. I am not sure trends like this are really vital. British Invasion isn't listed either. 96.95.142.29 (talk) 18:33, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

Neutral

Swap Lake Cerknica  5 for Lake Sevan

Lake Cerknica seems to be a somewhat popular attraction in Slovenia, but it doesn't stand out as vital. It's an intermittent lake and does not seem to be unique in any way. On the other hand, Lake Sevan is the largest lake in Armenia and has a lot of cultural significance, and biogeographical significance due to being a large alpine lake. Lake Sevan gets 8 times as many pageviews.

Support

1. As nom. 96.95.142.29 (talk) 19:34, 24 September 2025 (UTC)
2. Support, having seen Lake Sevan on many maps without even knowing its name. Diamondarmorstev (talk) 22:05, 28 September 2025 (UTC)
3. 飞车过大关 (talk) 18:36, 18 November 2025 (UTC)

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Add Los Glaciares National Park

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Important as it's located in the far south of the Americas (Patagonia). It's the largest national park in Argentina, and contains the country's largest freshwater lake (Argentino Lake). Popular tourist destination. However, Perito Moreno Glacier  5, located in the park, is already VA5, so this could be redundant.

Support

1. As nom. 96.95.142.29 (talk) 19:54, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

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Add several Human geography  4 sub-branches

Several sub-branches and fields of study within human geography.

Language geography

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 06:10, 26 September 2025 (UTC)

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Neutral

Development geography

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 06:10, 26 September 2025 (UTC)
2. Important topic. 96.95.142.29 (talk) 16:21, 26 September 2025 (UTC)
3. Ditto Makkool (talk) 21:54, 26 September 2025 (UTC)

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Neutral

Economic geography

Honestly as this is where much of modern geographic theory has it's roots, this is a surprising exclusion.

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 06:10, 26 September 2025 (UTC)
2. Important topic. 96.95.142.29 (talk) 16:21, 26 September 2025 (UTC)
3. Ditto Makkool (talk) 21:54, 26 September 2025 (UTC)
4. ALittleClass (talk) 19:14, 6 October 2025 (UTC)

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Neutral

Health geography

Extremely important sub-field.

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 06:10, 26 September 2025 (UTC)

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Neutral

Emotional geography

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Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 06:10, 26 September 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Not a vital topic. 96.95.142.29 (talk) 16:21, 26 September 2025 (UTC)
2. Per above Makkool (talk) 21:54, 26 September 2025 (UTC)

Neutral

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Geography of food

Generally, don't like the "______ of _________" articles, however this one is essentially the article for "Food geography," which is an important subfield.

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 06:10, 26 September 2025 (UTC)

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Neutral

Sexuality and space

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Probably should be included, if only for the watchlist function. Could see this article getting vandalized, and it is fairly important.

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 06:10, 26 September 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Disagree on its importance in the grand scale of the project Makkool (talk) 21:54, 26 September 2025 (UTC)
2. Not vital.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:23, 28 September 2025 (UTC)
3. Not important enough ChaoticVermillion (talk) 06:10, 16 October 2025 (UTC)

Neutral

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Add some map types to go under Cartography  4 and Technical geography  4

We are still missing several very common map types. Here are a few.

Chorochromatic map

Literally one of the most common types of map you'll ever see.

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 06:20, 26 September 2025 (UTC)
2. Diamondarmorstev (talk) 12:42, 29 September 2025 (UTC)

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Neutral

Dasymetric map

Less common but important type of thematic map. Essentially a Choropleth map  5 Refined by using data in a Chorochromatic.

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 06:20, 26 September 2025 (UTC)

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Neutral

1. Not sure, seems very specific. 96.95.142.29 (talk) 16:23, 26 September 2025 (UTC)

They are pretty niche sadly. They are the ideal map in theory for so many applications, but there remains much less adoption then I would like to see..

GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 05:46, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

Heat map

Common thematic map type.

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 06:20, 26 September 2025 (UTC)
2. I can't believe I am supporting one of these.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:50, 26 September 2025 (UTC)

   @TonyTheTiger statistically it had to happen at some point. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:27, 1 October 2025 (UTC)

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Neutral

Linguistic map

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 06:20, 26 September 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Aspects of the geographic distribution of languages are important, but maps of languages are not themselves an important subject. 96.95.142.29 (talk) 16:23, 26 September 2025 (UTC)
2. Not even seeing how this is a distinct and notable topic. CMD (talk) 05:59, 13 November 2025 (UTC)

Neutral

Map symbol

Extremely basic concept that should be included.

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 06:20, 26 September 2025 (UTC)
2. Per nom. 96.95.142.29 (talk) 16:23, 26 September 2025 (UTC)

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Neutral

Cartographic generalization

seeks to abstract spatial information at a high level of detail to information that can be rendered on a map at a lower level of detail. This is central to modern cartography.

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 06:20, 26 September 2025 (UTC)

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Neutral

Cartographic design

Another extremely important article on the process of making maps.

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 06:20, 26 September 2025 (UTC)
2. Per nom. 96.95.142.29 (talk) 16:23, 26 September 2025 (UTC)

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Neutral

Field (geography)

"a property that fills space, and varies over space", important to Geographic information system  4

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 06:20, 26 September 2025 (UTC)

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Neutral

GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 06:20, 26 September 2025 (UTC)

Add European Plain

Important geographic feature that covers a large portion of Europe  2. Analogous to the Great Plains  4 of North America and the Eurasian Steppe  4.

Support

1. Diamondarmorstev (talk) 21:49, 28 September 2025 (UTC)
2. Aye. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:23, 1 October 2025 (UTC)
3. yes, and I rarely support geo adds. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:57, 6 November 2025 (UTC)
4. 飞车过大关 (talk) 12:33, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
5. ChaoticVermillion (converse, contribs) 23:12, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

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• Comment: This is currently listed in two parts, North European Plain  5 and East European Plain  4. 96.95.142.29 (talk) 19:36, 29 September 2025 (UTC)

  Perhaps those could be bulleted under European Plain. Diamondarmorstev (talk) 15:01, 1 October 2025 (UTC)

Add Coastal Plain

General geographical concept, several instances of which exist worldwide.

Support

1. Diamondarmorstev (talk) 21:58, 28 September 2025 (UTC)
2. Aye. I think we should focus more on these concepts rather then specific examples. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:22, 1 October 2025 (UTC)
3. 飞车过大关 (talk) 12:31, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

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Add Connecticut River

Most important river in New England  4 both geographically and historically.

Support

1. Diamondarmorstev (talk) 22:14, 28 September 2025 (UTC)
2. Per nom. 96.95.142.29 (talk) 19:35, 29 September 2025 (UTC)
3. Sure. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:22, 1 October 2025 (UTC)
4. ChaoticVermillion (talk) 01:16, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

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Add Geocode and Address geocoding

These are fairly important concepts in Geographic information system  4 and Cartography  4. Essentially, they are the process of giving real world locations a unique identifier to tie the model and real world location on Earth's surface. Most common would be your home Address  5, but this is not limited to houses or human structures.

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 16:25, 1 October 2025 (UTC)

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Add a couple mountain ranges of Southeast Asia

Add Tenasserim Hills

Mountain chain that stretches 1700 kilometers across southern Thailand and Myanmar and into peninsular Malaysia

Support

1. Diamondarmorstev (talk) 21:37, 1 October 2025 (UTC)
2. 96.95.142.29 (talk) 17:55, 3 October 2025 (UTC)
3. ChaoticVermillion (talk) 08:15, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

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Add Shan Hills

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A "vast mountainous zone" in eastern Myanmar with parts in Thailand and China

Support

1. Diamondarmorstev (talk) 21:37, 1 October 2025 (UTC)

@Diamondarmorstev Shan Hills is nominated above. 96.95.142.29 (talk) 21:41, 1 October 2025 (UTC)

Oh oops probably should've checked for that Diamondarmorstev (talk) 13:55, 2 October 2025 (UTC)

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Diamondarmorstev (talk) 21:37, 1 October 2025 (UTC)

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Add Landscape

"You don't have to speak, I feel... emotional landscapes." - Bjork, "Joga"

The actual concept of a "Landscape" is actually less objective than I initially thought, being moreso associated with visual aesthetics and cultural identity. Still, it is a common and broad enough concept to warrent being listed. Landscape architecture  4 is a common practice.

Support

1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 19:13, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
2. Great find. Honeslty if geography faculty were making this list, we would have this on level 2 or 3. This is 100% something that should be added, very important in the literature. Geodesign is a fun term people might be interested in looking into, although I don't think it is quite prominent enough to be vital. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 05:45, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 05:22, 18 October 2025 (UTC)

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1. Although we have Landscape architecture  4, Landscape painting  4, Landscape photography  5, Land  2, and many different Landform  4. I dont think this is a top 0.7% level of vitality. I think the landscape contribution to page orientation, makes page orientation more vital than the word itself.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:43, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

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Add page orientation

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Support

1. As nom. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:45, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Aspect ratio (image) and Display aspect ratio I think would better to include first.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 17:29, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
2. Per above. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 06:18, 12 November 2025 (UTC)

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• @TonyTheTiger: Would this go on Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Technology#Printing? If so it should be on the STEM page. 173.8.211.177 (talk) 17:20, 8 October 2025 (UTC)

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Remove Arawa, Bougainville, Add Dunedin

Arawa had a population of only 36,000 and was apparently largely destroyed. It doesn't seem to have any other significance. Dunedin has a population of 131,800 and is considered one of the four major centres of New Zealand. Therefore, I think Arawa should be removed and Dunedin added. ChaoticVermillion (talk) 07:26, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nom ChaoticVermillion (talk) 11:19, 15 October 2025 (UTC)
2. 飞车过大关 (talk) 18:05, 9 November 2025 (UTC)

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Mixed

1. Support removing Arawa, though if it becomes capital of an independent Bougainville it would need to be readded. Oppose adding Dunedin per my comments here – it's too small and it's already covered by Otago  5. J947 ‡ ^edits 05:14, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

   Having Dunedin would make the cities in New Zealand balanced between north and south. ChaoticVermillion (converse, contribs) 01:18, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

   The North Island is more than thrice as populous as the South Island. It's balanced as is. J947 ‡ ^edits 02:43, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

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Add additional wars in India and Pakistan

Add Second Anglo-Sikh War

As Sikh Empire  4 is VA4, the war in which the British conquered it might be VA5. I'm not certain but I think it's important.

Support

1. As nom. 50.189.2.38 (talk) 05:32, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
2. Sure. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 19:09, 22 October 2025 (UTC)
3. ChaoticVermillion (talk) 23:22, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

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Add Kargil War

The main reason I noticed this was because it's ranked in the top 25 wars by Wikipedia pageviews from 2007 to 2023 (per Wikipedia:Popular pages. It is one of four main Indo-Pakistani wars and conflicts  5. They could all be vital, or maybe none of them are, but this one in particular seems to be pretty important culturally, although maybe that's just because it's fairly recent. It spikes in views every year on July 26, which is an Indian national holiday celebrating their victory in the war.

Support

1. As nom. 50.189.2.38 (talk) 05:32, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
2. Sure. I would support Indo-Pakistani war of 1965 as well. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 19:09, 22 October 2025 (UTC)
3. ChaoticVermillion (talk) 23:22, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

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Add Chan Chan

The capital of the Chimor  4 kingdom and "the largest city of the pre-Columbian era in South America".

Support

1. As nom. To historical cities. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 19:09, 22 October 2025 (UTC)
2. Per nom. 96.95.142.29 (talk) 17:48, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
3. 飞车过大关 (talk) 18:02, 9 November 2025 (UTC)
4. ChaoticVermillion (converse, contribs) 23:53, 9 November 2025 (UTC)

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Add Chao Phraya River

The Chao Phraya River is to Bangkok (the world's most visited city by several metrics) the River Thames  5 is to London, the Seine  5 is to Paris, or the Han River (Korea)  5 is to Seoul. Add to Rivers#Southeast Asia.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 03:08, 31 October 2025 (UTC)
2. Per nom. 96.95.142.29 (talk) 17:42, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
3. ChaoticVermillion (converse, contribs) 06:15, 3 November 2025 (UTC)
4. 飞车过大关 (talk) 18:04, 9 November 2025 (UTC)

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Remove 13 decade list class articles from history

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Generally, we don't include list articles in the project. Under history we include the following articles: 1900s, 1910s, 1920s, 1930s, 1940s, 1950s, 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, 1990s, 2000s, 2010s, 2020s. I believe this represents a recency bias, as we don't include decades for 1890s or earlier. We include 18th century  5, 20th century  5, and 21st century  5, which I believe is adequate for this kind of broad topic coverage, and given that the centuries are only level 5, these decades seem redundant. I think these 13 slots would be better suited to other places, perhaps in another category.

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 19:22, 1 November 2025 (UTC)
2. ChaoticVermillion (talk) 01:14, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
3. 飞车过大关 (talk) 20:23, 23 November 2025 (UTC)

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1. I would not call it a recency bias as much as a bias towards subjects that are important to the readers. Recent decade page views: [1], are more vital to us than old decades such as the 19th century decades [2] and older.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:45, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
2. Per TonyTheTiger, and also these articles are useful for understanding the period as a whole. They are better described as "historical accounts" rather than "lists" as are mainly prose about topics in those periods. 96.95.142.29 (talk) 17:42, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

   They are absolutely lists. They have some prose about events, but are definitely list class articles. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 05:36, 3 November 2025 (UTC)

3. I vaguely recalling supporting this, and yes, recentism is intended since recent decades are more important. People talk of the decades of the 20th century, but not of the earlier ones. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:56, 6 November 2025 (UTC)

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GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 19:22, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

The eras describing periods that our readers and editors recall living through have far more importance. We definitely need back to the 1960s to be a priority for editors.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:46, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

These are list articles. If the events of these decades are vital, we can list them. If the events are vital enough, they will be on the century list articles. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 06:09, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

How is that different from saying if cities' content was vital it would be in states; states' content would be in regions; regions' content would be in countries; countries' content would be in continents?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:11, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

For one, the cities articles are not lists. If the article for the region that a city was in was nothing but a list of countries and cities in that region, there would be more of a case. The next issue is that most of the continents/regions are at higher levels then the respective countries/cities, the centuries and decades are at the same vital level. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:19, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

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Remove List of Chinese inventions  5 and List of inventions in the medieval Islamic world  5

Generally, we don't include list articles in the project. List of inventions in the medieval Islamic world currently is listed as "Medieval Islamic inventions" but I suspect that was a redirect. These are the only two cultures that we list inventions for, we do not include articles like List of English inventions and discoveries or List of Indian inventions and discoveries, so while this is not necessarily "Western" bias, it is bias.

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 19:28, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

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GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 19:28, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

Remove List of conflicts in territory of the former Soviet Union  5

Generally, we don't include list articles in the project. We don't include articles like List of conflicts in Europe, or List of conflicts in Africa, so this article specific to the Soviet Union feels out of place.

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)}
2. 飞车过大关 (talk) 12:29, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. If they article was titled Post-Soviet conflicts like it used to be, would that make a difference? It shouldn't. The fact is, many of these conflicts were influenced by the institutions set up by the Soviet Union, and the collapse of those institutions. It's similar to Yugoslav Wars  5, though I concede it's much broader in scope. 96.95.142.29 (talk)

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GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 19:30, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

Add Grade (slope)

From the lede "The grade (US) or gradient (UK) (also called slope, incline, mainfall, pitch or rise) of a physical feature, landform or constructed line is either the elevation angle of that surface to the horizontal or its tangent. It is a special case of the slope, where zero indicates horizontality. A larger number indicates higher or steeper degree of "tilt". Often slope is calculated as a ratio of "rise" to "run", or as a fraction ("rise over run") in which run is the horizontal distance (not the distance along the slope) and rise is the vertical distance."

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:07, 2 November

2025 (UTC)

1. Shocksingularity (talk) 04:12, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

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GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:07, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

Add Aspect (geography)

From the lede "In physical geography and physical geology, aspect (also known as exposure) is the compass direction or azimuth that a terrain surface faces."

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:08, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

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GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:08, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

Add Viewshed analysis

From the lede "Viewshed analysis is a computational algorithm that delineates a viewshed, the area that is visible (on the base terrain surface) from a given location. It is a common part of the terrain analysis toolset found in most geographic information system (GIS) software." Important analysis technique we do, very commonly used by the military or for making sure antennas have line of sight.

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1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:10, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

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GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:10, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

Add Virtual globe

Form lede "A virtual globe is a three-dimensional (3D) software model or representation of Earth or another world." Related to Globe  4, this is what you see when opening Google Earth/Google Maps. Really important concept to modern cell cell phone and GPS navigation.

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:13, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

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GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:13, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

Add Critical cartography

We include Cartography  4, Critical geography  5, and Critical theory  5. I think this concept should be at level 5 as one of the bodies of knowledge for cartography.

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:35, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Not convinced here. Just 2 iwikis and 17 dailies. Fringe non-fringe science, I fear. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:07, 6 November 2025 (UTC)

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GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:35, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

Add Southern Ocean overturning circulation

We include several rivers, oceans, and other physical geography features. I believe this current is tremendously important, and overlooked by our project. It defines the Southern Ocean  4.

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:44, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
2. Yes. Parent concepts seem to be level 4 (ocean current and thermohaline circulation). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:05, 6 November 2025 (UTC)
3. ChaoticVermillion (converse, contribs) 23:55, 9 November 2025 (UTC)

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Add Atlantic meridional overturning circulation

e include several rivers, oceans, and other physical geography features. I believe this current is tremendously important, and overlooked by our project. We do include Gulf Stream  4, but this current is very important to global climate.

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:46, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
2. Not a household name, but this is important stuff. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:03, 6 November 2025 (UTC)
3. ChaoticVermillion (converse, contribs) 23:56, 9 November 2025 (UTC)
4. 飞车过大关 (talk) 01:53, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

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Earth science or Geography

I see that Geodesy  4 was moved to basics and technical geography at level 5. My questions are

1. Should geodesy be in the same place at levels 4 and 5 (currently it's in Physical sciences#Geophysics on level 4)
2. For Figure of the Earth  5, Earth ellipsoid  5, Equatorial bulge  5, Flat Earth  5, Spherical Earth  5, and Schiehallion experiment  5, should they be in the same place as geodesy? All except the last seem like similar topics.
3. Earth's rotation  5 and Foucault pendulum  5 seem related to the previous list, so should they be in the same place?

Asking @GeogSage: for input. 96.95.142.29 (talk) 18:03, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

I'd say so. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 05:35, 3 November 2025 (UTC)

Swap some Chinese cities

Swap Yangquan  5 for Yuncheng

Although Yangquan has 37 interwikis, it is not as significant as the other 3 Shanxi cities already at level 5. In comparison, Yuncheng has 39 interwikis, is regarded as the birthplace of Chinese civilization, and surpasses Yangquan in population, area, and GDP.

Support

1. Yuncheng has the second-largest number of National priority protected site in China, after Beijing.飞车过大关 (talk) 18:17, 9 November 2025 (UTC)
2. ChaoticVermillion (converse, contribs) 22:58, 9 November 2025 (UTC)

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Swap Huangshi  5 for Xiangyang

Although Huangshi has 46 interwikis, as a satellite city of Wuhan, it is not among the most important cities in Hubei Province. In comparison, Xiangyang has 48 interwikis, is the second strongest city in Hubei by economic and historical significance, and is more deserving of a place on the level 5 list.

Support

1. 飞车过大关 (talk) 18:40, 9 November 2025 (UTC)
2. ChaoticVermillion (converse, contribs) 22:58, 9 November 2025 (UTC)

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Swap Fangchenggang  5 for Liuzhou

Although Fangchenggang has 37 interwikis, it is not among the most important cities in Guangxi. In comparison, Liuzhou has 54 interwikis and is the second-largest city in Guangxi, making it more deserving of inclusion in the level 5 list.

Support

1. 飞车过大关 (talk) 18:45, 9 November 2025 (UTC)
2. ChaoticVermillion (converse, contribs) 22:58, 9 November 2025 (UTC)

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Discuss

Swap Yichun, Heilongjiang  5 for Ganzhou

Heilongjiang, ranked 20th in population and 25th in GDP among Chinese provinces, currently has 8 city slots. Given that Heilongjiang is a relatively young province in terms of historical development, this allocation is clearly unreasonable. To address this imbalance, I have decided to remove Yichun—the city with the fewest interwikis—from the Heilongjiang section.

Meanwhile, Jiangxi, which ranks 13th in population and 15th in GDP, has only 2 city slots, which is also clearly inadequate. To correct this discrepancy, I propose reallocating Yichun’s slot to Ganzhou. With 48 interwikis, Ganzhou is the second-largest city in Jiangxi and manifestly more deserving of inclusion in the level 5 list.

Support

1. 飞车过大关 (talk) 19:05, 9 November 2025 (UTC)
2. ChaoticVermillion (converse, contribs) 22:58, 9 November 2025 (UTC)

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Swap Ma'anshan  5 for Anqing

Although Ma'anshan has 46 interwikis, it is merely a satellite city of Nanjing and not one of the most important cities in Anhui. In comparison, Anqing has 52 interwikis, was once listed alongside Shanghai, Wuhan, Nanjing, and Chongqing as one of the "Five Tigers of the Yangtze," and served as the former provincial capital of Anhui—making it clearly more significant than Ma'anshan.

Support

1. 飞车过大关 (talk) 19:16, 9 November 2025 (UTC)
2. ChaoticVermillion (converse, contribs) 22:58, 9 November 2025 (UTC)

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Swap Huaibei  5 for Fuyang

Although Huaibei has 46 interwikis, it is only a small city in Anhui and not particularly outstanding in a province full of ancient cities. In contrast, Fuyang, with 45 interwikis, is the second most populous city in Anhui (and was once the most populous). Since it is located in the same region as Huaibei, Fuyang is more suitable for inclusion in the Level 5 list.

Support

1. 飞车过大关 (talk) 19:26, 9 November 2025 (UTC)
2. ChaoticVermillion (converse, contribs) 22:58, 9 November 2025 (UTC)

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Swap Cyclone Tracy  5 for 2019–20 Australian bushfire season

While Cyclone Tracy was a major disaster, it only affected Darwin. However, the Black Summer bushfires affected places all over the East Coast and was the costliest natural disaster in Australia's history. ChaoticVermillion (converse, contribs) 23:50, 9 November 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. ChaoticVermillion (converse, contribs) 00:53, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
2. Aye.飞车过大关 (talk) 01:53, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
3. Even non-Australians knew about the bushfire season. It was a big part of the "2020 is hell" meme Shocksingularity (talk) 04:11, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

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Re addition, see its 2023–24 removal discussion (4–2). J947 ‡ ^edits 05:16, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

Entries under "History by continent and region"

As for Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/History#History of Eurasia, I do not understand why there are specific historical topics under "History of China" but not under any of the other regions. Some should probably be moved to the China sections of the page. As for the Chinese historical regions, is there some reason that these are listed on the History page, while others like Prussia (region)  5 are on the Geography/Countries page? ~2025-32643-78 (talk) 23:13, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

Remove Cape Cod  5

A place that doesn't have much importance outside Massachusetts.

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 01:29, 12 November 2025 (UTC)
2. Aye. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 04:08, 12 November 2025 (UTC)
3. 飞车过大关 (talk) 18:14, 12 November 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Far from the least vital listing at Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Geography/Physical#Peninsulas_and_capes. More vital than many of the things we list.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:01, 12 November 2025 (UTC)

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Add 1936–1939 Arab revolt in Palestine

I might be a little biased as I am pro-Palestine, but I believe this should most certainly be added. This is among the earliest Palestinian uprisings in the Levant region, and has most definitely influenced other armed conflicts in the Arab-Israeli conflict.

Support

1. As nom. 🌙Eclipse (she/they/all neos • talk • edits) 15:26, 13 November 2025 (UTC)
2. Aye.飞车过大关 (talk)
3. Shocksingularity (talk) 22:55, 25 November 2025 (UTC)

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Change the subcategory "countries and subdivisions" to "regions and subdivisions" OR "regions, countries, and subdivisions"

Within this category we have articles like Central Africa  4. I think regions better describes this then countries. Regional geography is one of the four traditions of geography, and this category could reflect that tradition.

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:55, 15 November 2025 (UTC)
2. Support regions, countries, and subdivisions. I think removing countries from the heading would make it more confusing. Regions doesn't really completely overlap with countries as well, as a country like Timor-Leste is only relevant because of its country status and not its regional status. ChaoticVermillion (converse, contribs) 01:21, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
3. I have thought about changing the name to use the word regions for a while. My suggestion is "Regions and countries". Lophotrochozoa (talk) 01:16, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
4. I support the “Regions and countries” the most and "regions, countries, and subdivisions" as second choice. Ipedecha (talk) 14:19, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

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Any other possible names are welcome. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:55, 15 November 2025 (UTC)

Remove regions of Uganda

There has been a recent move to diversify the regions of the world that are listed. However, I believe that many of the regions that have been recently approved are of little interest to our ENWP readers. These regions may be important regions for other WP languages such as SWWP, but not for us. See against some of the less important vital articles.

Remove Central Region, Uganda, Western Region, Uganda, Eastern Region, Uganda, Northern Region, Uganda

Support

1. As nom. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:06, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
2. I was actually thinking of proposing this soon, but you beat me to the punch. ChaoticVermillion (converse, contribs) 16:20, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
3. 飞车过大关 (talk) 06:16, 18 November 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Weak oppose. Only four articles for a country of 50 million is hardly overkill. J947 ‡ ^edits 23:47, 18 November 2025 (UTC)

   I don't think that any of the regions individually warrant being on VA5. I am not opposed to having Regions of Uganda at VA5, but the individual regions aren't vital enough imo. ChaoticVermillion (converse, contribs) 00:48, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

Neutral

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TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:06, 17 November 2025 (UTC)

• @TonyTheTiger: If you want to go by pageviews, I've listed the pageviews for all regions at #List_of_regions_and_subdivisions_and_pageviews. You can start from the bottom of that list. ~2025-38482-90 (talk) 05:38, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

Reverse a few more regions

Per pageviews compared to less important vital articles these regions, which were promoted in the first half of this year, are far less important to our readers than vital articles should be.

Remove Al-Yamama, Tihamah, Ras ben Sakka

Support

1. As nom. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:25, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
2. 飞车过大关 (talk) 06:17, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
3. Sure, that section has some odd outliers, but most people are familiar with not recognizing an important place, so looking at a list of places they don't know will not help sorting vital. Comprehensive spatial analysis might help. Working on this. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 19:40, 27 November 2025 (UTC)

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Neutral

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TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:25, 17 November 2025 (UTC)

• Noting that Ras ben Sakka was removed, rather than added. ~2025-34364-89 (talk) 17:17, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
  • Nomination corrected.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:12, 17 November 2025 (UTC)

Add Gen Z protests

Might be recentism as these only started in 2022, but these protests have led to four overthrowals of government. ChaoticVermillion (converse, contribs) 23:15, 18 November 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nom. ChaoticVermillion (converse, contribs) 05:07, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
2. 飞车过大关 (talk) 15:57, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
3. The Account 2 (talk) 12:19, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

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Just a thought

For many African countries, they are very large and populous, but the individual states are not individually vital enough for VA5. I think that in these cases the article about the first-level subdivisions should be at VA5 instead of including some subdivisions for the sake of it. E.g. Algeria  3 is a very large country and has a population of 47 million, but no provinces are individually notable enough to be included. So Provinces of Algeria could be added instead to VA5. What do you all think of this idea? ChaoticVermillion (converse, contribs) 00:57, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

See this discussion where such articles were removed. J947 ‡ ^edits 02:51, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

• In many fields we are viewed as having a Western Anglo bias. IMO, this is ENWP. We should be biased towards regions where English is spoken. Readers like to read about their own cultures. The most important articles for improvement should be the ones that the readers want to read. In terms of history and geography, we are trying to shoehorn in topics to fill in the map. We are not obligated to represent every region at VA. Every space used for an unread article for diversity removes an article that our readers frequent from the list. If we made a list of History and Geography articles by pageviews, we would find a lot of candidates for removal.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:55, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

  Vital article criteria explicitly states we should avoid Western bias. There isn't a criteria for what readers want to read about, other then perhaps page statistics. Articles that are western focused might need more prioritization of improvements then western focused ones, if only because fewer people think to work on those articles. California  4 looks much better then Lesotho  4 a Sovereign State that has been the victim of Western colonialization with "This article needs additional citations for verification" tags. I don't think we are going to struggle to direct editors to look at articles they are already interested in. The point isn't supposed to be top 50,000 articles Wikipedia users most want to read, we have Wikipedia:Popular pages for that already. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 07:05, 21 November 2025 (UTC)

Swap Russo-Ukrainian war (2022–present) for 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine

The invasion is more notable than the war itself.

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1. Interstellarity (talk) 23:19, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

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•  Comment: I'm not sure if you've noticed, but the subject of 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine has changed over the last few years. Originally that subject covered the current period of war between Russia and Ukraine (as one portion of Russo-Ukrainian war, which covered since 2014). That article was moved to Russian invasion of Ukraine and then to Russo-Ukrainian war (2022–present). [3] I think the period of war beginning in 2022 is more important than the first few weeks of it. Also please note: Russian invasion of Ukraine is currently at Redirects for Discussion. ~2025-38042-63 (talk) 23:33, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

Add Port Jackson

Arguably the defining geographical feature of Sydney  4, home to e.g. Sydney Opera House  4 and Sydney Harbour Bridge  5. Place under Tasman Sea  4 in Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Geography/Physical#Pacific Ocean.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 05:50, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
2. 飞车过大关 (talk) 15:41, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

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Add Nihon Shoki

Just found a copy of Nihongi by W. G. Aston, first published late 19th C, this edition Charles Tuttle 1972. seems like a highly seminal and historic work on early Japan. it may be part mythology and legend building, but thats still significant in and of itself. 443 pages. a "classic of classics" and "one of Japan's great classics of literature". of course, we have less info on this work in English than in Japanese. The Japanese language article is quite extensive. [[4]] .Mercurywoodrose (talk) 18:17, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

List of regions and subdivisions and pageviews

This is the list of regions and country subdivisions at levels 4 and 5 with their pageviews in the last 30 days.

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1. England: 236971
2. California: 232418
3. Hawaii: 226657
4. U.S. state: 181076
5. Scotland: 174959
6. Texas: 169622
7. New York (state): 168566
8. Alaska: 159414
9. Virginia: 150799
10. Dagestan: 149153
11. Bihar: 146123
12. Northern Ireland: 133848
13. Florida: 133507
14. Minnesota: 132247
15. New Jersey: 129366
16. Kerala: 125716
17. Pennsylvania: 121651
18. Wales: 121235
19. Uttar Pradesh: 116530
20. Arunachal Pradesh: 115424
21. Massachusetts: 109660
22. Ohio: 105898
23. Georgia (U.S. state): 105075
24. Levant: 101715
25. Gibraltar: 100188
26. Washington (state): 98702
27. Tibet: 96985
28. North Carolina: 96896
29. Maharashtra: 95944
30. Michigan: 95024
31. Wyoming: 94192
32. Maryland: 94165
33. West Bengal: 93979
34. Colorado: 92225
35. New England: 92085
36. Quebec: 91956
37. Tennessee: 91455
38. Andhra Pradesh: 91418
39. Chechnya: 91241
40. Tamil Nadu: 91001
41. Patagonia: 89774
42. Utah: 89336
43. Karnataka: 88358
44. Illinois: 86786
45. New Mexico: 85638
46. Montana: 85555
47. Donbas: 85351
48. Arizona: 84551
49. Louisiana: 83964
50. Maine: 83795
51. Ontario: 83552
52. Southeast Asia: 82552
53. Connecticut: 82304
54. Wisconsin: 81075
55. United States Virgin Islands: 80954
56. Goa: 80753
57. Bavaria: 80415
58. Gujarat: 80043
59. Nevada: 79679
60. British Columbia: 79597
61. Oklahoma: 79299
62. Missouri: 78544
63. Indiana: 78172
64. Siberia: 76646
65. Alabama: 76411
66. Nova Scotia: 76101
67. Rhode Island: 76018
68. Kentucky: 75816
69. Midwestern United States: 75468
70. West Virginia: 74858
71. Territories of the United States: 73816
72. Xinjiang: 73598
73. Mississippi: 72179
74. Nunavut: 70749
75. French Guiana: 70229
76. Vermont: 69418
77. Kansas: 69199
78. Oregon: 69124
79. Rajasthan: 68930
80. Gaza Strip: 68724
81. Newfoundland and Labrador: 68474
82. Sakha Republic: 68132
83. Kashmir: 68013
84. Arkansas: 67496
85. Delaware: 67437
86. Catalonia: 65974
87. Assam: 65068
88. New Hampshire: 64964
89. Alberta: 64354
90. Telangana: 64350
91. Iowa: 64090
92. Cornwall: 63663
93. Scandinavia: 63629
94. Bohemia: 62887
95. Jharkhand: 61666
96. Republika Srpska: 61605
97. Latin America: 61378
98. South Carolina: 58987
99. Punjab, India: 58815
100. Prefectures of Japan: 58734
101. New South Wales: 58516
102. Guangdong: 58216
103. South Asia: 58200
104. Darfur: 57879
105. Nebraska: 57828
106. San Francisco Bay Area: 57647
107. Manchuria: 57623
108. Brittany: 57565
109. Sint Maarten: 57466
110. Wallachia: 56362
111. Saskatchewan: 55796
112. Central Asia: 55169
113. Yukon: 55104
114. Idaho: 54801
115. Southern United States: 54241
116. Transylvania: 54220
117. Jewish Autonomous Oblast: 53873
118. British Overseas Territories: 53606
119. Caucasus: 53202
120. Silicon Valley: 53077
121. Queensland: 52817
122. East Asia: 52496
123. Jammu and Kashmir (union territory): 52174
124. Andalusia: 51895
125. Basque Country (autonomous community): 51759
126. Polynesia: 51649
127. States of Germany: 51615
128. Nagaland: 50461
129. Appalachia: 50166
130. Madhya Pradesh: 49863
131. Greater London: 49535
132. Sikkim: 49273
133. Lancashire: 48938
134. Odisha: 48914
135. Alsace: 47821
136. Haryana: 47513
137. Kurdistan: 47240
138. West Asia: 46546
139. Eastern Europe: 46102
140. Uttarakhand: 46003
141. Sindh: 45709
142. Palestine (region): 45676
143. New Brunswick: 45613
144. Calabria: 45449
145. Central America: 45287
146. Maghreb: 44981
147. Himachal Pradesh: 44732
148. North Rhine-Westphalia: 44219
149. Navajo Nation: 44146
150. Nordic countries: 44015
151. Tuva: 43717
152. Meghalaya: 43203
153. South Dakota: 43013
154. Galicia (Spain): 42938
155. Surrey: 42542
156. Chhattisgarh: 42471
157. Abruzzo: 42099
158. Western world: 42065
159. North Dakota: 41962
160. Baden-Württemberg: 41691
161. Northeast India: 41630
162. Tibet Autonomous Region: 40932
163. Mizoram: 40909
164. Prince Edward Island: 40638
165. Counties of England: 40556
166. Micronesia: 40060
167. Essex: 39932
168. Arab world: 39224
169. Manitoba: 38974
170. Flanders: 38855
171. Tatarstan: 38804
172. Dallas–Fort Worth metroplex: 38740
173. Kent: 38651
174. Yunnan: 38270
175. Khyber Pakhtunkhwa: 38177
176. Western Australia: 38058
177. Western Europe: 37964
178. Sichuan: 37713
179. Ulster: 37399
180. Somerset: 37359
181. Norfolk: 37155
182. Manipur: 37141
183. Fujian: 37089
184. Metro Manila: 37058
185. Campania: 36830
186. Normandy: 36630
187. Lombardy: 36525
188. Inner Mongolia: 36500
189. West Africa: 35497
190. Northwest Territories: 35376
191. Yorkshire: 35255
192. Cappadocia: 35033
193. Sub-Saharan Africa: 34825
194. Akrotiri and Dhekelia: 34661
195. Central Europe: 34445
196. Tuscany: 34362
197. Okinawa Prefecture: 34163
198. Silesia: 34147
199. Hesse: 33972
200. Devon: 33639
201. Punjab: 33283
202. Saxony: 32996
203. Punjab, Pakistan: 32517
204. Apulia: 32510
205. Northumberland: 32126
206. Berkshire: 31982
207. Baja California: 31795
208. Hertfordshire: 31536
209. North Africa: 31496
210. Scottish Highlands: 31313
211. Piedmont: 31227
212. Kaliningrad Oblast: 30881
213. Autonomous communities of Spain: 30831
214. Puntland: 30767
215. Cumbria: 30424
216. Dorset: 30417
217. Lower Saxony: 30332
218. Indian reservation: 30127
219. Gloucestershire: 30000
220. Hainan: 29993
221. South Tyrol: 29812
222. Baltic states: 29560
223. Bengal: 29554
224. Galicia (Eastern Europe): 29439
225. Northern Territory: 29376
226. Counties of Ireland: 29368
227. Northeastern United States: 29301
228. Pacific Northwest: 29110
229. Penang: 29022
230. Greater Manchester: 28887
231. Azad Kashmir: 28661
232. Veneto: 28526
233. Shandong: 28448
234. Western United States: 28412
235. Guangxi: 28379
236. Île-de-France: 28356
237. Rust Belt: 28303
238. Tripura: 28192
239. Lazio: 28157
240. Balochistan, Pakistan: 28128
241. Holland: 28061
242. Jiangsu: 28019
243. Thuringia: 27922
244. Victoria (state): 27837
245. Schleswig-Holstein: 27716
246. Australasia: 27686
247. Melanesia: 27670
248. County (United States): 27597
249. Moldavia: 27490
250. Jalisco: 27326
251. Kurdistan Region: 27135
252. Deep South: 27064
253. Sabah: 26919
254. South Australia: 26883
255. Hampshire: 26844
256. Gauteng: 26722
257. Donetsk Oblast: 26513
258. Oaxaca: 26474
259. Sarawak: 26134
260. Moravia: 26131
261. Suffolk: 25958
262. Brandenburg: 25822
263. Cheshire: 25804
264. Rhineland-Palatinate: 25717
265. Asturias: 25627
266. Zhejiang: 25477
267. Inland Empire: 25275
268. Niger State: 25197
269. Sussex: 25047
270. Bashkortostan: 24717
271. Overseas France: 24695
272. Buckinghamshire: 24517
273. Southern California: 24183
274. East Africa: 23904
275. Hunan: 23880
276. Emilia-Romagna: 23741
277. Shropshire: 23732
278. Saarland: 23616
279. Burgundy: 23432
280. Australian Capital Territory: 23347
281. Chihuahua (state): 23328
282. Greater Tokyo Area: 23198
283. Bessarabia: 23050
284. Chukotka Autonomous Okrug: 23041
285. Gansu: 22976
286. KwaZulu-Natal: 22838
287. Shaanxi: 22820
288. Gilgit-Baltistan: 22816
289. Galilee: 22717
290. Peloponnese: 22335
291. West Yorkshire: 22320
292. Middlesex: 22184
293. Michoacán: 22101
294. Low Countries: 22065
295. Malacca: 22016
296. East Coast of the United States: 21819
297. Johor: 21722
298. Wiltshire: 21607
299. São Paulo (state): 21600
300. Oxfordshire: 21395
301. Worcestershire: 21392
302. Qinghai: 21374
303. Liguria: 21322
304. Vojvodina: 21289
305. Kalmykia: 21174
306. Hebei: 21156
307. Kantō region: 21085
308. Dixie: 20964
309. Hejaz: 20918
310. Sinaloa: 20814
311. Cambridgeshire: 20754
312. Henan: 20741
313. Merseyside: 20720
314. Veracruz: 20550
315. Emirate of Dubai: 20433
316. Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina: 20398
317. Sonora: 20370
318. Wallonia: 20365
319. Northern Europe: 20193
320. Minas Gerais: 19974
321. Nagorno-Karabakh: 19932
322. Connacht: 19818
323. Bible Belt: 19789
324. Republic of Karelia: 19782
325. Guizhou: 19706
326. Pomerania: 19686
327. Northeast megalopolis: 19664
328. Scania: 19653
329. Midlands: 19636
330. Ingushetia: 19587
331. County Durham: 19468
332. Tropics: 19439
333. Southwestern United States: 19272
334. Derbyshire: 19190
335. Navarre: 19177
336. Heilongjiang: 19117
337. Lincolnshire: 19095
338. Occitania: 18975
339. Emirate of Abu Dhabi: 18970
340. Aragon: 18817
341. Russian Far East: 18809
342. Shanxi: 18734
343. Cherokee Nation: 18665
344. Western Cape: 18402
345. Judea: 18374
346. Hubei: 18340
347. West Midlands (county): 18331
348. Bailiwick of Guernsey: 18280
349. Territorial claims in Antarctica: 18120
350. Western New Guinea: 17971
351. Leinster: 17691
352. Autonomous Region of Bougainville: 17685
353. North Yorkshire: 17684
354. Ticino: 17649
355. Northamptonshire: 17617
356. Aceh: 17568
357. Provence: 17440
358. Staffordshire: 17343
359. Friesland: 17222
360. Algarve: 17102
361. Warwickshire: 17088
362. Leicestershire: 17087
363. Kanagawa Prefecture: 17044
364. Karelia: 16842
365. Kansai region: 16765
366. Ningxia: 16648
367. Southern Africa: 16579
368. Buryatia: 16558
369. Munster: 16522
370. Near East: 16507
371. Bangsamoro: 16478
372. Aquitaine: 16416
373. Putrajaya: 16246
374. Tyne and Wear: 16239
375. Nottinghamshire: 16194
376. West Coast of the United States: 16143
377. Liaoning: 16059
378. Extremadura: 16008
379. Durango: 15936
380. Chiapas: 15888
381. Jiangxi: 15692
382. Livonia: 15612
383. Tigray Region: 15592
384. Central Luzon: 15551
385. Cantabria: 15532
386. Franconia: 15400
387. Coahuila: 15367
388. Turkestan: 15337
389. Kinmen: 15323
390. Bahia: 15298
391. Saxony-Anhalt: 15294
392. Rio Grande do Sul: 15239
393. Northern England: 15219
394. Marche: 15218
395. Orient: 15215
396. Cumberland: 15150
397. Puebla: 15125
398. Friuli-Venezia Giulia: 15025
399. Celtic nations: 15011
400. North Caucasus: 14960
401. Valencian Community: 14929
402. Balochistan: 14922
403. Aosta Valley: 14863
404. Morelos: 14806
405. Provinces of Ireland: 14776
406. Anhui: 14734
407. Mecklenburg-Vorpommern: 14722
408. Nakhchivan Autonomous Republic: 14681
409. Zaporizhzhia Oblast: 14540
410. Historic counties of England: 14516
411. Perak: 14485
412. Guerrero: 14406
413. Brčko District: 14319
414. Macedonia (Greece): 14290
415. Tabasco: 14253
416. Selangor: 14252
417. Northern California: 14222
418. Trentino: 14191
419. Styria: 14176
420. Quintana Roo: 14115
421. Krasnodar Krai: 14102
422. Southern Europe: 14093
423. Thessaly: 14055
424. Primorsky Krai: 14038
425. Guanajuato: 13928
426. Tamaulipas: 13913
427. Parthia: 13898
428. Altai Republic: 13848
429. Valais: 13768
430. Molise: 13723
431. Tōhoku region: 13669
432. Najd: 13650
433. Samaria: 13629
434. Jilin: 13487
435. Metropolitan France: 13426
436. Sápmi: 13413
437. Limpopo: 13395
438. Mid-Atlantic (United States): 13266
439. Aichi Prefecture: 13261
440. Nuevo León: 13247
441. Gagauzia: 13213
442. Umbria: 13193
443. Central Africa: 13142
444. Yucatán: 13137
445. North Asia: 13114
446. Baja California Sur: 13006
447. Vaud: 12978
448. Zeeland: 12936
449. Burgenland: 12924
450. Mpumalanga: 12904
451. Udmurtia: 12854
452. Komi Republic: 12771
453. Emirate of Ras Al Khaimah: 12671
454. Adygea: 12664
455. Castile and León: 12601
456. Santa Catarina (state): 12471
457. Kalimantan: 12470
458. East Sussex: 12421
459. Collectivity of Saint Martin: 12336
460. Lorraine: 12303
461. Herefordshire: 12179
462. Luhansk Oblast: 12171
463. Akita Prefecture: 12087
464. Bedfordshire: 12062
465. Perlis: 12048
466. Kherson Oblast: 12025
467. Pahang: 12014
468. Basilicata: 11962
469. Rakhine State: 11948
470. West Sussex: 11918
471. Gyeonggi Province: 11890
472. Otago: 11876
473. North Ossetia–Alania: 11873
474. Nayarit: 11861
475. Limousin: 11762
476. State of Mexico: 11732
477. Rutland: 11708
478. Shizuoka Prefecture: 11701
479. Kabardino-Balkaria: 11675
480. Karakalpakstan: 11668
481. Autonomous Republic of Crimea: 11667
482. Cyrenaica: 11641
483. Paraná (state): 11609
484. Khorasan: 11517
485. Eastern Cape: 11392
486. Rio de Janeiro (state): 11392
487. Afar Region: 11344
488. East Thrace: 11341
489. Saitama Prefecture: 11235
490. Trentino-Alto Adige/Südtirol: 11191
491. Sun Belt: 11143
492. Dnipropetrovsk Oblast: 11135
493. Attica: 11095
494. Frisia: 11087
495. Kelantan: 10966
496. Emirate of Sharjah: 10909
497. Community of Madrid: 10765
498. Oromia: 10714
499. Chiba Prefecture: 10699
500. Lagos State: 10692
501. Free State (province): 10673
502. Moscow Oblast: 10616
503. Adjara: 10555
504. Northeast China: 10545
505. Greater Iran: 10535
506. Hyōgo Prefecture: 10533
507. Bremen (state): 10506
508. South Yorkshire: 10483
509. Shan State: 10378
510. Mimaropa: 10371
511. Zakarpattia Oblast: 10360
512. Huntingdonshire: 10311
513. Drenthe: 10305
514. Amazonas (Brazilian state): 10226
515. Alagoas: 10208
516. Grisons: 10180
517. Far East: 10174
518. The Guianas: 10103
519. Zacatecas: 10074
520. Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug: 10029
521. Banat: 9937
522. North Brabant: 9842
523. Banten: 9831
524. Pará: 9803
525. Chuvashia: 9795
526. Mordovia: 9783
527. Labuan: 9781
528. South Holland: 9781
529. Querétaro: 9755
530. Rondônia: 9755
531. Judea and Samaria Area: 9713
532. Iwate Prefecture: 9639
533. North Holland: 9638
534. Colima: 9583
535. Kedah: 9550
536. Great Lakes region: 9506
537. Khuzestan province: 9504
538. Tyrol: 9468
539. Bicol Region: 9441
540. Prussia (region): 9411
541. Carinthia: 9386
542. East Riding of Yorkshire: 9351
543. Limburg (Netherlands): 9261
544. Buenos Aires Province: 9230
545. Mie Prefecture: 9225
546. South Caucasus: 9139
547. Greater India: 9120
548. Osaka Prefecture: 9120
549. Edo State: 9107
550. Kano State: 9103
551. East Malaysia: 9028
552. Tyrol (state): 8974
553. Calabarzon: 8853
554. Campeche: 8852
555. Tocantins: 8849
556. Lower Austria: 8848
557. Pernambuco: 8817
558. Region of Murcia: 8799
559. The Maritimes: 8792
560. Hadhramaut: 8779
561. Nara Prefecture: 8771
562. Borno State: 8603
563. Karachay-Cherkessia: 8571
564. Khakassia: 8536
565. Mato Grosso: 8449
566. Papua (province): 8427
567. Emirate of Ajman: 8414
568. Champagne (province): 8405
569. Miyagi Prefecture: 8380
570. Northern Cape: 8355
571. West Papua (province): 8334
572. Southern Cone: 8331
573. Penghu: 8317
574. Riau Islands: 8242
575. Flevoland: 8228
576. Sergipe: 8222
577. Gelderland: 8216
578. Languedoc: 8186
579. Kharkiv Oblast: 8180
580. Somali Region: 8177
581. Zamboanga Peninsula: 8136
582. Picardy: 8131
583. Tierra del Fuego Province, Argentina: 8118
584. Kebbi State: 8101
585. Badakhshan: 8099
586. Jeju Province: 7984
587. Aguascalientes: 7978
588. Australian Antarctic Territory: 7951
589. Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug: 7909
590. Marie Byrd Land: 7905
591. Aomori Prefecture: 7883
592. Emirate of Fujairah: 7882
593. Masovian Voivodeship: 7869
594. Anambra State: 7862
595. Chuuk State: 7849
596. Chūbu region: 7835
597. Negeri Sembilan: 7797
598. Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma: 7777
599. Mari El: 7749
600. Fukuoka Prefecture: 7737
601. Mountain states: 7737
602. Jubaland: 7717
603. Emirate of Umm Al Quwain: 7590
604. Kagoshima Prefecture: 7589
605. San Luis Potosí: 7541
606. Gunma Prefecture: 7531
607. Irkutsk Oblast: 7509
608. Amhara Region: 7469
609. Tlaxcala: 7468
610. Ibaraki Prefecture: 7450
611. Western Canada: 7434
612. Nagano Prefecture: 7429
613. Canton of Geneva: 7404
614. Ingria: 7396
615. Vorarlberg: 7368
616. Yamanashi Prefecture: 7340
617. Atlantic Canada: 7340
618. Acre (state): 7329
619. British Antarctic Territory: 7280
620. Dobruja: 7251
621. North Sumatra: 7247
622. East Nusa Tenggara: 7237
623. Wind River Indian Reservation: 7233
624. Kyoto Prefecture: 7215
625. Cordillera Administrative Region: 7165
626. Upper Austria: 7164
627. Rhine-Ruhr metropolitan region: 7160
628. Arnhem Land: 7160
629. Canadian Prairies: 7138
630. West Java: 7120
631. Terengganu: 7101
632. Queen Maud Land: 7063
633. Nenets Autonomous Okrug: 7053
634. Hispanic America: 7035
635. Gifu Prefecture: 7022
636. Caraga: 6971
637. Chubut Province: 6965
638. Kwara State: 6958
639. Kabylia: 6941
640. Canton of Bern: 6913
641. Norrland: 6903
642. Niigata Prefecture: 6885
643. Fars province: 6738
644. Kumamoto Prefecture: 6714
645. Special Region of Yogyakarta: 6669
646. Pays de la Loire: 6669
647. Fukushima Prefecture: 6655
648. Upland South: 6610
649. Castilla–La Mancha: 6577
650. Eastern Province, Saudi Arabia: 6575
651. Odesa Oblast: 6551
652. Abyei: 6538
653. Auvergne: 6520
654. Maranhão: 6449
655. Southern England: 6395
656. Delta State: 6372
657. Imo State: 6362
658. Benue State: 6327
659. Hiroshima Prefecture: 6323
660. Nagasaki Prefecture: 6309
661. Franche-Comté: 6309
662. Courland: 6231
663. Soccsksargen: 6218
664. Ogun State: 6195
665. Pomeranian Voivodeship: 6137
666. Chin State: 6111
667. Tochigi Prefecture: 6053
668. South China: 6035
669. Cagayan Valley: 5981
670. East Java: 5976
671. Silesian Voivodeship: 5963
672. Yamagata Prefecture: 5951
673. Negros Island Region: 5947
674. Kachin State: 5927
675. Okayama Prefecture: 5912
676. Kaduna State: 5862
677. Hidalgo (state): 5830
678. Ishikawa Prefecture: 5815
679. Kyiv Oblast: 5811
680. Lesser Poland Voivodeship: 5805
681. Götaland: 5798
682. La Rioja: 5772
683. Adamawa State: 5769
684. Matabeleland: 5766
685. Federal Capital Territory (Nigeria): 5762
686. Federal District (Brazil): 5754
687. Abia State: 5752
688. Espírito Santo: 5745
689. Rivers State: 5743
690. North West (South African province): 5731
691. Galmudug: 5708
692. Matsu Islands: 5693
693. Westmorland: 5643
694. Ross Dependency: 5609
695. Davao Region: 5600
696. Mecca Province: 5587
697. Akwa Ibom State: 5572
698. Ilocos Region: 5549
699. Guinea (region): 5534
700. Kogi State: 5516
701. Waikato: 5512
702. Lampung: 5502
703. Centre-Val de Loire: 5497
704. Islamabad Capital Territory: 5481
705. Central Java: 5448
706. Lower Silesian Voivodeship: 5443
707. Roraima: 5430
708. Overijssel: 5406
709. Enugu State: 5378
710. Zamfara State: 5351
711. Eastern Visayas: 5347
712. Svealand: 5324
713. Chūgoku region: 5308
714. Shiga Prefecture: 5278
715. Shimane Prefecture: 5260
716. Tottori Prefecture: 5240
717. Chaoshan: 5192
718. Ceará: 5181
719. Tripolitania: 5163
720. Limburg (Belgium): 5149
721. Riau: 5145
722. Oyo State: 5141
723. Toyama Prefecture: 5138
724. Magallanes Region: 5130
725. Amapá: 5119
726. Plateau State: 5103
727. Sylhet Division: 5095
728. Kagawa Prefecture: 5090
729. Ehime Prefecture: 5084
730. Goiás: 5061
731. Luxembourg (Belgium): 5054
732. Székely Land: 5031
733. Sokoto State: 5017
734. Aargau: 4995
735. Piauí: 4992
736. Al-Qassim Province: 4981
737. Canton of Zurich: 4980
738. Mazandaran province: 4965
739. Novosibirsk Oblast: 4958
740. South Jeolla Province: 4954
741. Yamaguchi Prefecture: 4939
742. Lviv Oblast: 4921
743. Northern Mindanao: 4910
744. Utrecht (province): 4907
745. West Flanders: 4889
746. Gangwon Province, South Korea: 4877
747. Greater Poland Voivodeship: 4876
748. Chittagong Division: 4828
749. Riyadh Province: 4827
750. Czech Silesia: 4812
751. Aegean Islands: 4811
752. North China: 4762
753. Sumy Oblast: 4748
754. Central Federal District: 4741
755. Taraba State: 4729
756. Northern District (Israel): 4710
757. Mato Grosso do Sul: 4706
758. Maluku (province): 4697
759. Swahili coast: 4669
760. Sistan and Baluchestan province: 4663
761. Adélie Land: 4657
762. Dhaka Division: 4653
763. Western Visayas: 4602
764. West Pomeranian Voivodeship: 4602
765. Gilan province: 4588
766. Central Visayas: 4557
767. Tabuk Province: 4524
768. East China: 4495
769. Ondo State: 4477
770. South Region, Brazil: 4431
771. Ōita Prefecture: 4421
772. Chilean Antarctic Territory: 4409
773. Fukui Prefecture: 4406
774. Groningen (province): 4401
775. South Arabia: 4388
776. Auckland Region: 4387
777. Northeast Region, Brazil: 4364
778. Misiones Province: 4348
779. Katsina State: 4343
780. West Sumatra: 4325
781. Salzburg (state): 4318
782. Hainaut Province: 4253
783. Canton of Schwyz: 4248
784. Highland Papua: 4242
785. Saga Prefecture: 4242
786. Mykolaiv Oblast: 4226
787. East Kalimantan: 4192
788. Podlaskie Voivodeship: 4182
789. Canterbury Region: 4147
790. Kayin State: 4145
791. Bauchi State: 4108
792. North Gyeongsang Province: 4092
793. Cross River State: 4082
794. Wakayama Prefecture: 4076
795. Santa Fe Province: 4075
796. Canton of Neuchâtel: 4065
797. Oecusse: 4055
798. North Jeolla Province: 4040
799. Epirus (region): 4036
800. Chaco Province: 4022
801. Paraíba: 4022
802. Southern District (Israel): 4003
803. Western Thrace: 4000
804. Casamance: 3981
805. Bayelsa State: 3973
806. Argentine Antarctica: 3953
807. Nasarawa State: 3946
808. Chernivtsi Oblast: 3941
809. South Gyeongsang Province: 3919
810. Santiago Metropolitan Region: 3906
811. Flemish Brabant: 3903
812. Osun State: 3884
813. Ternopil Oblast: 3811
814. Miyazaki Prefecture: 3797
815. Rio Grande do Norte: 3788
816. Rangpur Division: 3737
817. Kōchi Prefecture: 3701
818. Cairo Governorate: 3624
819. Yobe State: 3601
820. East Flanders: 3577
821. Antwerp Province: 3571
822. Central Papua: 3565
823. Yilan County, Taiwan: 3557
824. North Maluku: 3554
825. Tihamah: 3538
826. Northeast Asia: 3537
827. Asir: 3525
828. Jigawa State: 3515
829. South Papua: 3500
830. Ivano-Frankivsk Oblast: 3490
831. Tokushima Prefecture: 3484
832. Southwestern China: 3479
833. Mendoza Province: 3433
834. North Sulawesi: 3422
835. West Azerbaijan province: 3410
836. Córdoba Province, Argentina: 3408
837. Great Hungarian Plain: 3328
838. Canton of St. Gallen: 3308
839. Lublin Voivodeship: 3300
840. South Sulawesi: 3296
841. Ebonyi State: 3248
842. Kosrae: 3226
843. Walloon Brabant: 3203
844. Gombe State: 3195
845. Giza Governorate: 3193
846. Chernihiv Oblast: 3186
847. West Nusa Tenggara: 3154
848. Nord-Pas-de-Calais: 3152
849. Santa Cruz Province, Argentina: 3150
850. Kirovohrad Oblast: 3147
851. Eastern Arabia: 3135
852. Tel Aviv District: 3132
853. Rhône-Alpes: 3125
854. Guna Yala: 3098
855. West Kalimantan: 3094
856. Yap State: 3090
857. Ekiti State: 3081
858. South Chungcheong Province: 3076
859. Anglo-America: 3055
860. Jujuy Province: 3053
861. Riverina: 3052
862. Tucumán Province: 3033
863. Pohnpei State: 3022
864. Poltava Oblast: 3012
865. Kurdistan province: 3007
866. Cherkasy Oblast: 2975
867. Volyn Oblast: 2966
868. North Chungcheong Province: 2964
869. Vinnytsia Oblast: 2959
870. Río Negro Province: 2956
871. Western China: 2916
872. Khulna Division: 2906
873. Southeast Region, Brazil: 2897
874. Lubusz Voivodeship: 2890
875. Central District (Israel): 2881
876. Los Lagos Region: 2858
877. Zhytomyr Oblast: 2854
878. Regions of Peru: 2851
879. Tehran province: 2838
880. La Pampa Province: 2800
881. Khmelnytskyi Oblast: 2771
882. Razavi Khorasan province: 2762
883. Liège Province: 2749
884. Corrientes Province: 2744
885. Valparaíso Region: 2739
886. Jambi: 2736
887. Lorestan province: 2735
888. Gambela Region: 2734
889. Benishangul-Gumuz Region: 2712
890. Entre Ríos Province: 2679
891. Opole Voivodeship: 2677
892. Northwestern China: 2668
893. Świętokrzyskie Voivodeship: 2668
894. Łódź Voivodeship: 2636
895. North Hamgyong Province: 2564
896. Flathead Indian Reservation: 2559
897. South Sumatra: 2517
898. South Kalimantan: 2513
899. Monufia Governorate: 2495
900. South West State of Somalia: 2492
901. Central Kalimantan: 2487
902. North Sinai Governorate: 2485
903. Khorasan province: 2479
904. Rajshahi Division: 2470
905. Pingtung County: 2434
906. Canton of Lucerne: 2429
907. South Sinai Governorate: 2421
908. Neuquén Province: 2408
909. Araucanía Region: 2408
910. Yakama Indian Reservation: 2404
911. New Valley Governorate: 2402
912. Formosa Province: 2397
913. Jazan Province: 2383
914. North Region, Brazil: 2377
915. Al-Jawf Province: 2368
916. Southern Nations, Nationalities, and Peoples' Region: 2347
917. Salta Province: 2345
918. Sidama Region: 2328
919. Harari Region: 2322
920. East Antarctica: 2304
921. Rivne Oblast: 2272
922. Barisal Division: 2269
923. North Kalimantan: 2268
924. Bay of Plenty Region: 2264
925. Eastern Anatolia region: 2256
926. Bengkulu: 2243
927. Antofagasta Region: 2235
928. Podkarpackie Voivodeship: 2213
929. Sharqia Governorate: 2207
930. Hormozgan province: 2202
931. Hualien County: 2199
932. Kerman province: 2198
933. Aysén Region: 2195
934. Najran Province: 2169
935. Jerusalem District: 2164
936. Warmian–Masurian Voivodeship: 2161
937. Haifa District: 2158
938. Al-Yamama: 2144
939. Medina Province, Saudi Arabia: 2112
940. Isfahan province: 2110
941. Gorontalo: 2105
942. Central Sulawesi: 2101
943. Golestan province: 2098
944. Mymensingh Division: 2056
945. Red Sea Governorate: 2053
946. Bangka Belitung Islands: 2046
947. Central China: 2037
948. Marmara region: 2003
949. Black Sea region: 1979
950. Alexandria Governorate: 1972
951. Southern Uplands: 1959
952. Port Said Governorate: 1889
953. Catamarca Province: 1888
954. Central-West Region, Brazil: 1887
955. Santiago del Estero Province: 1871
956. Ayeyarwady Region: 1851
957. Central Greece (geographic region): 1831
958. West Antarctica: 1820
959. Poitou-Charentes: 1758
960. South West Ethiopia Peoples' Region: 1756
961. Kermanshah province: 1730
962. Gharbia Governorate: 1721
963. Dakahlia Governorate: 1720
964. Transdanubia: 1708
965. Ilam province: 1699
966. O'Higgins Region: 1638
967. Nantou County: 1614
968. Northern Borders Province: 1612
969. Chaharmahal and Bakhtiari province: 1578
970. Yunlin County: 1573
971. Taitung County: 1540
972. Minya Governorate: 1539
973. Beheira Governorate: 1536
974. Tarapacá Region: 1524
975. Ryanggang Province: 1509
976. South Caribbean Coast Autonomous Region: 1504
977. North Caribbean Coast Autonomous Region: 1489
978. Midi-Pyrénées: 1476
979. Changhua County: 1475
980. Hirshabelle: 1455
981. Southeast Sulawesi: 1449
982. Bushehr province: 1432
983. Appenzell: 1432
984. Biobío Region: 1428
985. Atacama Region: 1416
986. Suez Governorate: 1410
987. Miaoli County: 1410
988. Aswan Governorate: 1398
989. Asyut Governorate: 1396
990. Luxor Governorate: 1390
991. Hamadan province: 1384
992. Namur Province: 1381
993. Hail Province, Saudi Arabia: 1370
994. Arica y Parinacota Region: 1353
995. Central Anatolia region: 1345
996. Kuyavian–Pomeranian Voivodeship: 1343
997. Aegean region: 1333
998. North Pyongan Province: 1330
999. French America: 1327
1000. Coquimbo Region: 1313
1001. Markazi province: 1308
1002. Alborz province: 1304
1003. Maule Region: 1301
1004. Western Region, Uganda: 1283
1005. South Pyongan Province: 1261
1006. Semnan province: 1258
1007. Central Lowlands: 1254
1008. Matrouh Governorate: 1224
1009. Chiayi County: 1220
1010. Ismailia Governorate: 1217
1011. Hsinchu County: 1207
1012. South Hamgyong Province: 1173
1013. Qalyubiyya Governorate: 1159
1014. West Sulawesi: 1154
1015. Kohgiluyeh and Boyer-Ahmad province: 1150
1016. Ngäbe-Buglé Comarca: 1150
1017. Yazd province: 1144
1018. San Juan Province, Argentina: 1130
1019. Los Ríos Region: 1120
1020. Southeastern Anatolia region: 1113
1021. Damietta Governorate: 1108
1022. Central Region, Uganda: 1106
1023. South Central China: 1106
1024. Sohag Governorate: 1103
1025. La Rioja Province, Argentina: 1101
1026. San Luis Province: 1100
1027. South Khorasan province: 1092
1028. Mediterranean region, Turkey: 1081
1029. Qena Governorate: 1076
1030. Kafr El Sheikh Governorate: 1065
1031. Chagang Province: 1055
1032. Northern Region, Uganda: 1025
1033. Qazvin province: 1009
1034. Faiyum Governorate: 1002
1035. North Khorasan province: 996
1036. North Hwanghae Province: 966
1037. Central Hungary: 953
1038. Al-Baha Province: 889
1039. Ñuble Region: 884
1040. South Hwanghae Province: 853
1041. Eastern Region, Uganda: 852
1042. Qom province: 824
1043. Beni Suef Governorate: 815
1044. Kangwon Province, North Korea: 757
1045. Northern Hungary: 645
1046. North Calotte: 226

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