Talk:Levantine pottery
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Verification tag
[edit]I have removed it. Here is the quote from Needler pertaining to that section:
Modern Palestinian pots, bowls, jars, jugs and cups are similar in shape to their ancient equivalents and show how persistently the potter's craft clung to tradition through the centuries. Fabric and decoration also recall ancient methods; the clay is of much the same composition and is shaped, smoothed and baked in the same way, and the surfaces are often decorated in similar painted, incised, or moulded techniques.
Tiamat 12:16, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Arabic Potter
[edit]while reading this article, i couldnt stop but wondering of the similarities, if not, exact features between Pottery of Palestine, in the past 1400 years, and the rest of the Arab world, in tunisia, Syria, Egypt, Yemeni... etc... what about re-creating the Article under the name of Arabic pottery?? Arab League User (talk) 00:12, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Merge
[edit]Propose to merge History of pottery in Palestine -> Pottery in Palestine. The history article is merely 36kb while this article is less than 10kb; the merged article would be much richer.GreyShark (dibra) 06:43, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
- With no objections for more than two weeks, i'm merging as proposed.GreyShark (dibra) 10:04, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
Initial Late Neolithic ceramic period
[edit]In regard to the following passage,
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The time frame for the initial Late Neolithic ceramic period in the Levant has been shifting recently because of more recent discoveries of earlier pottery traditions. As the result, the time frame of about 7000-6700 BC is indicated.[1]
These earliest pottery traditions may be known in literature as 'Initial Pottery Neolithic' in the Balikh River area of Syria and Turkey, for example Tell Sabi Abyad. Or it may be known as 'Halula I' in the Syrian Euphrates area; the main site is Tell Halula. Also, it may be known as 'Rouj 2a' in Northern Levantine Rouj basin (Idlib, Syria).[2]
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The sources are numerous, and more info can be found in the links. So this info should be included somehow.
References
- ^ Reinhard Bernbeck and Olivier Nieuwenhuyse (2013), ESTABLISHED PARADIGMS, CURRENT DISPUTES AND EMERGING THEMES: THE STATE OF RESEARCH ON THE LATE NEOLITHIC IN UPPER MESOPOTAMIA Publications on Archaeology of the Leiden Museum of Archaeology (PALMA), Brepols pub. (Turnhout, Belgium), 17-37
- ^ Reinhard Bernbeck and Olivier Nieuwenhuyse (2013), ESTABLISHED PARADIGMS, CURRENT DISPUTES AND EMERGING THEMES: THE STATE OF RESEARCH ON THE LATE NEOLITHIC IN UPPER MESOPOTAMIA Publications on Archaeology of the Leiden Museum of Archaeology (PALMA), Brepols pub. (Turnhout, Belgium), 17-37
Y-barton (talk) 04:42, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
- I don't see here that the paper has published. has it? Jytdog (talk) 04:56, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
- OK, the whole citation is: Bernbeck, Reinhard; Nieuwenhuyse, Olivier (2013). "Introduction: Established Paradigms, Current Disputes and Emerging Themes: The State of Research on the Late Neolithic in Upper Mesopotamia". In Nieuwenhuyse, Olivier; Akkermans, Peter; Bernbeck, Reinhard; Rogasch, Jana (eds.). Interpreting the late Neolithic of Upper Mesopotamia. Papers on Archaeology from The Leiden Museum of Antiquities (PALMA 9). Turnhout: Brepols. pp. 17–37. ISBN 978-2-503-54001-6.
{{cite book}}: External link in(help); Unknown parameter|chapterurl=|chapterurl=ignored (|chapter-url=suggested) (help) - Hm, OK, I will re-add. Jytdog (talk) 05:14, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
- OK, the whole citation is: Bernbeck, Reinhard; Nieuwenhuyse, Olivier (2013). "Introduction: Established Paradigms, Current Disputes and Emerging Themes: The State of Research on the Late Neolithic in Upper Mesopotamia". In Nieuwenhuyse, Olivier; Akkermans, Peter; Bernbeck, Reinhard; Rogasch, Jana (eds.). Interpreting the late Neolithic of Upper Mesopotamia. Papers on Archaeology from The Leiden Museum of Antiquities (PALMA 9). Turnhout: Brepols. pp. 17–37. ISBN 978-2-503-54001-6.
- Thank you, Jytdog. This is a rather new area of scholarship, but it's rapidly expanding. A few more adjustments may be made in the article. Y-barton (talk) 06:29, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
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Petry and Albright instrumental. No?
[edit]Is there not room for a discussion about the history and development of the analysis and typology of this poterry in the region, or at least a referral to it? If so, I would be happy to find good references telling how and when the discoveries and different approaches.
--פשוט pashute ♫ (talk) 09:35, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- Found this: W.F. Albright and the history of pottery in Palestine March 2002, Herr, Larry G. in Near Eastern Archaeology, Chicago, Vol. 65, Issue 1 (Proquest website)
--פשוט pashute ♫ (talk) 09:59, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
A mess
[edit]Most of this is lacking citations. Reads like someone's paper, sans footnotes. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:C120:8EA6:F557:652F (talk) 04:36, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
Palestinian pottery was the original title of this article
[edit]When was it renamed and how? I see no discussion of it at all here. Tiamut (talk) 11:17, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
Have restored the original more limited scope article as Palestinian pottery is a living handicraft with its own distinct history & traditions. However, for some reason this talk page is still title Talk:Levantine pottery. Have asked the Help desk for help in cleaning up the page confusion. Tiamut (talk) 11:43, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
- You did an improper cut-and-paste move, rather than a move using the proper process which would also move the talk page to the new title, but at this point you should stop and not do anything else. More shortly. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 12:57, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
- It seems that the scope of the former Palestinian pottery article evolved over time to incorporate all Levantine pottery rather than Palestinian pottery specifically. I don't see any specific discussion about that, but it seems to have happened around the time of the proposal to merge History of pottery in Palestine article into Pottery in Palestine (the latter is this page) in 2017. That seems to have made the article into a history of pottery from the geographic region, rather than contemporary Palestinian pottery specifically, and eventually the name was changed to reflect what the article was then actually about. It's a thing that can happen sometimes.
- If we want to restore the Palestinian pottery article, some technical work needs to be done to make sure that the contribution histories attach to the correct pages (a history split). I can do that, but I would like to see that there is consensus to restore the former article before doing the work, because it will not be simple to reverse. Let me see what else I can find. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 13:01, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, thank you, this is exactly what happened. I was on a rather long hiatus during that time. I discovered the change because I am working on a draft for User:Tiamut/Palestinian folklore. And I was rather shocked that the article about this Palestinian handicraft had become a large, amorphous article on Levantine pottery in general. Sorry for acting hastily. But there is a genuine need for the small, former article solely on Palestinian pottery. Tiamut (talk) 13:27, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
- Just to underline the distinctiveness & importance, a few more sources. Would also like to expand this article to include Palestinian ceramics:
- Palestinian Traditional Pottery: A contribution to Palestinian Culture
- Growing the traditional art of Palestinian ceramics
- Palestinian Traditional Pottery: Craft & Commerce Tiamut (talk) 14:06, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
- Having looked into it further, what seems to have happened is Greyshark09 proposed to merge History of pottery in Palestine into Pottery in Palestine in 2017, and then performed the merge when nobody objected. However, they merged the much larger article into the smaller one, and kind of obliterated that topic in the process (inadvertently, nobody has done anything wrong here). I think that merge should have happened in the opposite direction. What I'm going to do now is split the page history at the merge, restore the older history to the original article, merge the newer history to the redirect currently at History of pottery in Palestine, and then move the pages back to where they currently are. All of the pages affected will be briefly deleted by this process, but don't worry, I will restore them. There may be some more untangling to do afterwards but this seems like the most correct approach. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 18:54, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
Done, I think. I will copy this discussion to Talk:Palestinian pottery and continue from there. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 19:17, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you so much for diligently investigating & taking the time to set everything in order again. Much appreciated really. Tiamut (talk) 19:21, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
- Having looked into it further, what seems to have happened is Greyshark09 proposed to merge History of pottery in Palestine into Pottery in Palestine in 2017, and then performed the merge when nobody objected. However, they merged the much larger article into the smaller one, and kind of obliterated that topic in the process (inadvertently, nobody has done anything wrong here). I think that merge should have happened in the opposite direction. What I'm going to do now is split the page history at the merge, restore the older history to the original article, merge the newer history to the redirect currently at History of pottery in Palestine, and then move the pages back to where they currently are. All of the pages affected will be briefly deleted by this process, but don't worry, I will restore them. There may be some more untangling to do afterwards but this seems like the most correct approach. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 18:54, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
The redirect History of pottery in the southern levant has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 December 3 § History of pottery in the southern levant until a consensus is reached. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 19:55, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
The redirect Pottery in the Palestinian territories has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 December 3 § Pottery in the Palestinian territories until a consensus is reached. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 19:55, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
"Pottery in Palestine" listed at Redirects for discussion
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The redirect Pottery in Palestine has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 December 3 § Pottery in Palestine until a consensus is reached. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 19:55, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
"History of pottery in Palestine" listed at Redirects for discussion
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