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Programming language
[edit]Python is also a object oriented programming language used very often on the Internet by web based tools such as Google. â Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.109.86.7 (talk) 07:37, 1 March 2005 (UTC)
there's a programming program called Python. âPreceding unsigned comment added by 80.96.151.245 (talk) 13:43, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
- There's already a link in this article to Python (programming language). Perhaps the "programming program" you refer to is a compiler or interpreter for this. --Jwinius (talk) 15:47, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
python is a open source software and easy to use Ykajal65 (talk) 11:13, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
Disambiguation issues
[edit]- I moved Python (disambiguation) to Python and Python to Python (snake) to make the Wikipedia easier to navigate. A large number of the python links were about the language and this will reduce the average number of clicks to get around. Daniel Quinlan 09:37, Mar 8, 2005 (UTC)
- This sounds like a reasonable move. I think Python should redirect to Python (disambiguation) due to how common the alternative meanings are. --Karnesky 06:17, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
- Seems to me that most things named "Python" are named after the snake, thus one would assume that the most predominant link should be the page on the snake, and the disambiguation link at the top should be enough to direct anyone else to where they want to go. Not that I care either way, just figured I'd be devil's advocate for a moment. -Dawson 22:31, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
- The snake is undisputably the primary meaning of "Python"; all other uses flow from it. Wikipedia editors are generally very computer-literate and frequently programming-literate, and so they would often associate the word Python with the programming language. However, that's not how the general educated public sees it; few outside the programming community would ever have heard of or have any interest in the Python programming language. Wikipedia aims to be a general encyclopedia, and so we must be careful not to allow computer-related meanings to hijack the primary meanings of words. Rwxrwxrwx 20:51, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
- I agree with Rwxrwxrwx: "Python" should point to Python (snake) and not to Python (disambiguation). A poll in the street will show that 99% of the population expect Python to be a snake (even most of the programming-literate population will expect it). I propose moving Python to Python (snake) and adding a link on that page to Python (disambiguation).Tos 08:53, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
- I agree again. Make it the default show Python (snake) and not Python (disambiguation)! Wilbot (talk) 09:59, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
This discussion is a bit out of touch with reality, seeing as significant changes have taken place in the mean time. Python (snake) is currently a redirect to Pythonidae, which is the article that describes the entire python family, while Python (disambiguation) is a redirect to this page, Python, which is now the disambiguation page for this term. By the way, there's also Python (genus), which is potentially confusing, and therefore one of the reasons why I believe it's better to keep Python as a disambiguation page. --Jwinius (talk) 14:49, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
- Python (programming language) should without doubt be moved to Python, and the disambiguation page linked from the top of that article. Regardless of what the "core" meaning of Python is, browsing through the top (non-wikipedia) google hits shows that at least on the Internet, python is a programming language. The first result that isn't talking about the PL python is #20, which is about Monty Python. Snakes aren't mentioned until result #40. Otherwise, the out of the top 40 google hits for the query "python", 37 are talking about the programming languageâTrevor Caira (talk) 22:07, 29 December 2007 (UTC).
- Move Python (programming language) to Python simply on the basis of Google search results? I disagree. It's much more likely that people in general think of the snakes first. The Internet may have grown immensely, but I would think it obvious why computer related subjects still have the more dominant presence in cyberspace. --Jwinius (talk) 23:00, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
- I agree with Jwinius - by your logic, the link to Pascal should point to the formerly-widely-used programming language rather than the person. 99% of people have no idea there even is a programming language of that name, but everyone is at least vaguely familiar with giant snakes called pythons. The snake definition should be primary, with all others located on a disambiguation page. Mokele (talk) 02:08, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
- The primary meaning of Python is the snake. The programming language was named after comedy troupe, which in turn was named after the snake. Thus, having Python be about the programming language wouldn't make much sense. -- RoySmith (talk) 02:25, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
IMO, the current situation, which is already an acknowledgement of the many other things that are referred to as "python", is fine the way it is. I should also point out the confusing fact that with the snakes the family is called Pythonidae, while one of the genera below it is simply called Python. It looked really awkward when the article for the family was also called Python. So, I think that in this environment there may be no perfect solution, but what we have here comes pretty close. --Jwinius (talk) 12:46, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
I gotta say, I think this is a bit daft. Python should go to one of the snake articles, not a disambig page. Python the programming language is utterly obscure to the general population, compared to phython having to do with snakes. Wasted Time R (talk) 01:45, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
- Not entirely. See my last comment directly above yours. --Jwinius (talk) 02:24, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Shouldn't it be based on what most people will be searching on? By and far that would be researching the programming language. Look at search engine results, they are pro's at finding what people want. Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 14:40, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
- The world is not defined by Google. Of course there's more information on the Internet about computer related subjects than there is about snakes, but that doesn't make it an accurate reflection of what people know about in general. In truth, if you ask people what they first think of when they see the word python, most will say a snake. Only a small number will mention the programming language or something else. --Jwinius (talk) 16:32, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
- If we're going to start giving priority to the most prominent search engine result, I suspect a lot of beauty spa enthusiasts are going to be very, very surprised by what facial redirects to. Mokele (talk) 04:56, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
- The prominence of Python on Google is likely due to many pages linking to the official Python the Language homepage. There's no official Python the Snake homepage, so this could be why it has a higher PageRank. The snake results are there too, but more fragmented across pages. This is the major fallacy in the argument to me and I'm surprised it hasn't been brought up much. Google simply cannot be used as a guide, at least not in this case. Maybe if we compare the PageRanks of two US president candidates, but an animal like in this case is impossible to compare to a lanugage that has an official homepage, thus boosting its PageRank massively from Google counting inbound links to it. Pretty much any language tutorial will link to the Python home, just as one example. A page about pythons may point to a much broader range of websites. Personally, I wholeheartedly support a redirect to Python the Snake with a note to the disambiguation page on top, possibly with Python the Language given extra attention as a quick link. â Northgrove 11:37, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
- I agree with most of your argument, but prefer the status quo. See my statement above from 12:46, 30 December 2007 (UTC). --Jwinius (talk) 16:06, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
fyi: Some data: Python programming language was viewed 79,000 times in the month of May[1]. Pythonidae was visited 20,400 times[2]. The disambiguation page was visited 41,500 times[3]. Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 14:20, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
- wp:mosdab says to put the most common usage at the top of the page. Given the above stats, does this mean the programming language should be listed first? Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 17:24, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
- That always sounds like an easy solution, but WP's "most common usage" guideline is pretty vague. After all, how do you measure "most common"? If you look to the Internet for an answer your results will always be skewed towards computer related subjects. Is that fair? I don't think so. For example, according to stats.grok.se, our article on the C programming language is much more popular than our article on the letter C. So, should we change the former to "C" and the latter to "C (letter)"? Not in my estimation. For the same reason, I don't believe that we should regard the programming language as being the primary usage of "Python." The only difference here is that, for technical (taxonomic) reasons, I believe it would also be unhelpful to use "Python" for a snake article. --Jwinius (talk) 19:16, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Python should redirect to Python (genus), which is clearly the primary meaning. Wikipedia isn't any more the "encyclopedia that slashdot built". Never mind google hits. Wikipedia may be online, but it isn't focussing on online or computer topics. dab (��) 18:50, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
- For some reasons I would be pleased if that were to happen, but unfortunately I think that in that case many, if not most, people looking for completely different things, such as the computer programming language, would be disappointed. Even the people interested in snakes and looking for general information on pythons would probably also find it confusing not to end up on the Pythonidae page. It's simply an awkward name for which I see no easy solution, but the status quo will do. --Jwinius (talk) 19:16, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
2013 New Brunswick python attack
[edit]The 2013 New Brunswick python attack article concerns a python, but the incident is not ambiguously called "python". See Wikipedia:Disambiguation for the purpose of a disambiguation page. (Should all python incidents be listed here too?) +mt 22:12, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
- @m, how is the disambig of, say, MG 08/15, different? (see 08/15). XOttawahitech (talk) 04:07, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
- With MG 08, it looks like the weapon is sometimes called "08/15", and it even goes into describing "the word 08/15 lives on as ...", so it is unquestionably appropriate on the 08/15 disambiguation page. So the disambiguation is different in that "08/15" is ambiguous to several meanings. There isn't any ambiguity with the word "python" and the article "2013 New Brunswick python attack", because it isn't called "python". +mt 04:38, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
The mythological Python / Anaconda
[edit]In Greek mythology, The Anaconda was a snake/Python so huge that it encircled the world at the Equator ! Call it what you may, but the points to the tale are as follows:
A. It was a completely mythological creature, and it was like a python, which the Ancient Greeks knew of.
B. The Ancient Greeks had contacts, via travelers, in India, Burma, Ceylon, etc. Later on, the Romans even exchanged ambassadors with China. See the map of the world that was drawn by Ptolemy, a Greek in Egypt long ago.24.156.78.205 (talk) 07:28, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
Idea for move
[edit]Make simply "Python" the name of the article about the snake, and then put the contents of this page into Python (disambiguation). Woshiyiweizhongguoren (đ¨đł) 15:27, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
- This has been discussed at some length above under #Disambiguation issues. 'The snake' is itself ambiguous as it could refer to a family or a genus. --Qwfp (talk) 20:26, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
- It probably should be moved to Python (disambiguation), with Python (genus) moved to Python and given an appropriate {{about}} hatnote, e.g., {{About|the genus of nonvenomous snakes|the family within the genus|Pythonidae|other uses}}, rendering as:
- Alternatively, the target of the move could be Pythonidae and the hatnote adjusted accordingly. The two-target {{about}} template is designed for exactly this sort of thing.
- It's pretty clear, though, that one of the snake articles is the primary topic, and a reader searching on "Python" is better served starting from one of those articles. And I say that as someone who is not interested in the snakes; my interest is the computer language. TJRC (talk) 23:33, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
"Python (snake)" listed at Redirects for discussion
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The redirect Python (snake) has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 February 6 § Python (snake) until a consensus is reached. Duckmather (talk) 02:23, 6 February 2025 (UTC)
"Python snake" listed at Redirects for discussion
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The redirect Python snake has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 February 6 § Python snake until a consensus is reached. Duckmather (talk) 02:24, 6 February 2025 (UTC)
"Python (zoology)" listed at Redirects for discussion
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The redirect Python (zoology) has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 February 6 § Python (zoology) until a consensus is reached. Duckmather (talk) 02:24, 6 February 2025 (UTC)
Main Topic
[edit]Obviously, the genus of snake is the main topic, since all of the other topics were named after the genus. This should be moved to Python (disambiguation), and the genus of snake should be moved here. Lxvgu5petXUJZmqXsVUn2FV8aZyqwKnO (talk) 19:03, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
- The snake was named after the mythical creature. Also we have the snake article under the Latin family name, Pythonidae rather than python (snake). So it's not so simple to do as you ask. Andy Dingley (talk) 19:43, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
- I seem to have been incorrect about which article should be the main topic. However, I still believe that there is a main topic. Lxvgu5petXUJZmqXsVUn2FV8aZyqwKnO (talk) 22:24, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
- I would agree a main topic as Pythonidae. However that's a Latin name. Thus the best response I can think of for that is what we have at present. Andy Dingley (talk) 22:42, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
- I seem to have been incorrect about which article should be the main topic. However, I still believe that there is a main topic. Lxvgu5petXUJZmqXsVUn2FV8aZyqwKnO (talk) 22:24, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
Requested move 18 August 2025
[edit]- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: not moved. DrKay (talk) 07:17, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
â Since the other topics were named after the genus, the genus should be the main topic. For example, the Python programming language was named after the type of snake, and it has a snake as the logo. If the pages are moved, then a link should be added on the page to the disambiguation page. Lxvgu5petXUJZmqXsVUn2FV8aZyqwKnO (talk) 20:01, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose as explained above. Also if any snake article is to be made primary here, surely the family Pythonidae rather than the narrower genus Python (genus). Andy Dingley (talk) 20:48, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
- You have a point. It seems that I am incorrect about which article should be the main topic. Pythonidae should be the primary topic. Lxvgu5petXUJZmqXsVUn2FV8aZyqwKnO (talk) 22:21, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose WikiNav shows that if anything the programming language is closer to primary topic than the snakes. * Pppery * it has begun... 21:08, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
- Apple has fewer views over time than Apple Inc.. Should Apple Inc. be the primary topic? Lxvgu5petXUJZmqXsVUn2FV8aZyqwKnO (talk) 22:19, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
- Apple Inc. is not primary by usage per Ngram (it drives me crazy that we use this example in our P&G!) whereas it looks like Python (programming language) may well be although I suppose some of these are the genus Python or just sentence openers. --MYCETEAE đâđŤâtalk 05:26, 23 August 2025 (UTC)
- That apple ngram may actually imply Apple Inc is primary, as the current top usage is "Apple's", which I can't see as being anything other than referring to Apple Inc. But indeed, it is nearly impossible to distinguish "Python" (as a sentence opener) from "Python" (the genus) in that ngram. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:15, 23 August 2025 (UTC)
That apple ngram may actually imply Apple Inc is primary
True. This apple Ngram shows lowercase apple is more common overall since 2004, accounting for 55% of usage in 2022, this one shows apples is far more common than Apple's, and this one shows the apple and an apple are far more common than Apple's. The last one also shows that Big Apple and several other uses not related to the computer company contribute to Apple's share of the (apple?) pie. This python Ngram has in Python as the top usage by a decent margin. Python code, Python script, and Python 3 are all in the top half of the list, but other top uses do show other important contributors to the capitalized form, including Monty Python. Ngram is not definitive but to the extent it is useful, and to the extent apple is the canonical standard, Ngram data makes a stronger case for Python (programming language) being the primary topic by usage than it does for Apple Inc. --MYCETEAE đâđŤâtalk 16:51, 23 August 2025 (UTC)
- Looking through it, a lot of the books are like "Python for beginners" and whatnot, which is nice, but not exactly the kind of thing that we use to judge notability. Ladtrack (talk) 15:43, 23 August 2025 (UTC)
- Good point. Although I don't see any reason to suspect that usage trends are reversed in high quality sources. --MYCETEAE đâđŤâtalk 17:10, 23 August 2025 (UTC)
- That apple ngram may actually imply Apple Inc is primary, as the current top usage is "Apple's", which I can't see as being anything other than referring to Apple Inc. But indeed, it is nearly impossible to distinguish "Python" (as a sentence opener) from "Python" (the genus) in that ngram. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:15, 23 August 2025 (UTC)
- Apple Inc. is not primary by usage per Ngram (it drives me crazy that we use this example in our P&G!) whereas it looks like Python (programming language) may well be although I suppose some of these are the genus Python or just sentence openers. --MYCETEAE đâđŤâtalk 05:26, 23 August 2025 (UTC)
- Apple has fewer views over time than Apple Inc.. Should Apple Inc. be the primary topic? Lxvgu5petXUJZmqXsVUn2FV8aZyqwKnO (talk) 22:19, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose - One topic being named after another topic does not make the latter the primary topic. WP:PTOPIC helps us determine which one is the primary, and being named after another topic is not a deciding factor. - UtherSRG (talk) 22:11, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
- If you were to ask a random person to describe the meaning of the word python, then it would be more likely for someone to describe the kind of snake than the programming language.
- Being named after the snake is just the reason that I thought of for justifying my belief that the snake is the primary topic. Lxvgu5petXUJZmqXsVUn2FV8aZyqwKnO (talk) 22:39, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose (probably strong). There's no way to find a primary topic for this given the interaction of WP:PT1, WP:PT2, and the sheer number of articles that get some views. Skynxnex (talk) 23:09, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose I don't think there is any primary topic here between Python (mythology) and Pythonidae, with the others being relatively less primary due to lacking longterm significance. If there is a primary topic it's probably the mythological figure as the name source, but the python snakes are also incredibly well-known. á´˘xá´á´ ĘÉ´á´ (á´) 10:52, 19 August 2025 (UTC)
- Move Pythonidae to primary: Real pythons have much greater long-term importance than some mythical beast of heliocentric fantasy from Greeks of a couple thousand years ago and the programming language that has been faddishly popular in just the last few years. ââ ââ BarrelProof (talk) 14:48, 19 August 2025 (UTC)
- What does 'Move Pythonidae to primary' mean?
- It already is the primary term for Pythonidae. Or are you planning to rename it to Pythons (broader than we usually think of as pythons) ? Andy Dingley (talk) 15:42, 19 August 2025 (UTC)
- I meant to move Pythonidae to Python. Alternatively, perhaps Python could be a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT to Pythonidae. I don't think Pythonidae is a broader category than what we usually think of as pythons, since all of the members of Pythonidae are commonly referred to as pythons. See the "common name" table in the Pythonidae article, for example. ââ ââ BarrelProof (talk) 15:58, 19 August 2025 (UTC)
- You're suggesting to rename the family article from the Latin name to English, just to make a disambig page look simpler? Yet again, WP:MOS does not override WP:RS! Don't you cause enough damage doing that on your decapitalisation crusade? Andy Dingley (talk) 16:19, 19 August 2025 (UTC)
- I would appreciate an improvement in the tone of the discussion. The motivation is not to make the dab page look simpler, but to align with primary topic and common name policy & guidelines. I said nothing about MOS overriding RSs. Considering the tone, I do not plan to reply any further. ââ ââ BarrelProof (talk) 17:06, 19 August 2025 (UTC)
- You (Andy Dingley) are not following https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:AGF at all. Besides, there are plenty of reliable sources about both groups of snakes being called pythons. Lxvgu5petXUJZmqXsVUn2FV8aZyqwKnO (talk) 01:36, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
- You're suggesting to rename the family article from the Latin name to English, just to make a disambig page look simpler? Yet again, WP:MOS does not override WP:RS! Don't you cause enough damage doing that on your decapitalisation crusade? Andy Dingley (talk) 16:19, 19 August 2025 (UTC)
- I meant to move Pythonidae to Python. Alternatively, perhaps Python could be a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT to Pythonidae. I don't think Pythonidae is a broader category than what we usually think of as pythons, since all of the members of Pythonidae are commonly referred to as pythons. See the "common name" table in the Pythonidae article, for example. ââ ââ BarrelProof (talk) 15:58, 19 August 2025 (UTC)
- Calling the mythical beast unimportant doesn't cut the mustard, what exactly were the real snakes named after? The fact that we still call them "pythons" and not "really big snakes" indicates some obvious level of cultural cachet that can't just be offhand dismissed. á´˘xá´á´ ĘÉ´á´ (á´) 17:14, 19 August 2025 (UTC)
- I suggest that topics in Greek mythology are mostly not especially important in modern society. It's not a topic of conversation and study in many peoples' lives. If you ask random English-speaking people above 50 years old what "Python" means to them, they'll nearly all say snakes. (I mention the age of 50 to filter out the recent interest in a new computer programming language.) ââ ââ BarrelProof (talk) 19:00, 19 August 2025 (UTC)
- Move Pythonidae to Python. The reason that article is not currently called "python" is because of natural disambiguation. As a rule, we generally prefer animals to use common names rather than Latin names. The mythical serpent is very obscure, and given the snake is a real, living snake species that is fairly common and well-known, I do think that has to take the priority. As for the programming language, we already have a great comparison. Java (programming language) is also a very well-known programming language, and is not primary because the island Java has substantially greater long-term significance. Similarly, the family of snakes has substantially greater long-term significance than this programming language. We can put a hatnote on the article afterwards. Ladtrack (talk) 21:17, 19 August 2025 (UTC)
- You are right. Java, C, Ruby, Lisp, Rust, Elixir, R, and various other programming languages have primary topics with their names that are not the programming languages. Python is getting special treatment. Lxvgu5petXUJZmqXsVUn2FV8aZyqwKnO (talk) 01:57, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose. The term is clearly ambiguous. Even just considering among snakes, there are multiple species that might be intended. But considering the computer language makes this a no brainer to remain as a disambiguation. older â wiser 21:24, 19 August 2025 (UTC)
- There are multiple species that might be intended, but all of those are in the Pythonidae family. ââ ââ BarrelProof (talk) 23:10, 20 August 2025 (UTC)
- It's also worth noting that Python (snake) redirects to Pythonidae, which means that if there were to be a snake as the primary, that would be the one. Ladtrack (talk) 02:24, 21 August 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, and for anyone linking to the term, this would result in less helpful linkage in most cases and worse, it would be more difficult to spot such links because the target is not disambiguation page. older â wiser 10:34, 21 August 2025 (UTC)
- Python (snake) was retargeted from the disambiguation page to the family on 18 August right before this move request was opened. There was an RFD in February with consensus to redirect to the disambiguation page. I'm retargetting it back to the dab page. Plantdrew (talk) 16:01, 25 August 2025 (UTC)
- There are multiple species that might be intended, but all of those are in the Pythonidae family. ââ ââ BarrelProof (talk) 23:10, 20 August 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose proposal. Unclear primary topic, but Python (genus) is barely a contender.
Weak opposeAmbivalent about Pythonidae â Python. If there is a primary topic, it is likely Pythonidae, but Python (programming language) is in the running. Neither one is clearlymuch more likely than any other single topic, and more likely than all the other topics combinedâto be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term
(PT1). All but one dictionary I consulted define only the snake.[4][5][6][7] The sole exception is Collins, which includes entries form multiple dictionaries they publishâseveral dictionaries only define the snake but they also include some with python definitions from mythology, among others. Nothing about the programming language. Some dictionaries from the various publishers include Pythoninae, an obsolete classification, as part of the definition; one mentioned Pythonidae and included Python reticulatus as an example; and others simply describe it as a large snake without reference to taxonomy. None stated it is synonymous with nor defined as the genus Python. Britannica leads with the programming language (search results cannot be linked on WP). The python (snake group) Britannica article describes the family, not the genus. Oxford Reference leads with the etymology referencing Python (mythology) and contains over 500 entries covering multiple uses of the word. Oxford's World Encyclopedia describes the snake group in its entry for 'python' (accessible via Wikipedia Library). These general references works lend support to Pythonidae's long-term significance (PT2) as well as usage (PT1) but results are somewhat mixed. Web searches, Ngrams, and pageviews favor the programming language. --MYCETEAE đâđŤâtalk 18:06, 23 August 2025 (UTC)- The Python programming language is getting extra special treatment.
- Java has a primary topic, which is not the programming language. C has a primary topic, which is not the programming language. Ruby has a primary topic, which is not the programming language. Lisp has a primary topic, which is not the programming language. Rust has a primary topic, which is not the programming language. Elixir has a primary topic, which is not the programming language. R has a primary topic, which is not the programming language.
- JS, which refers almost exclusively to JavaScript is a disambiguation page.
- I could list many more examples. None of the other programming languages get the biased special treatment that Python gets. Python does not have any more long term significance than the countless other programming languages whose names have different primary topics. It is not fair to other programming languages to give Python extra special treatment that no other languages get of having a disambiguation page by default when a more significant term shares the name.
- Your numerous dictionary definitions that exclude the programming language help to prove that the snake has more long term significance than the programming language. Lxvgu5petXUJZmqXsVUn2FV8aZyqwKnO (talk) 01:54, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
- I'm not moved by the "fairness" argument but I was coming back here, anyway, to change my !vote. I have little interest in the programming language. The snakes are what I think of first but I can't quite get to 'support' based on the evidence and arguments here. --MYCETEAE đâđŤâtalk 03:19, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
- I have struck my comment below, but snakes are imho the primary topic. - Roxy the dog 22:51, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
- I'm not moved by the "fairness" argument but I was coming back here, anyway, to change my !vote. I have little interest in the programming language. The snakes are what I think of first but I can't quite get to 'support' based on the evidence and arguments here. --MYCETEAE đâđŤâtalk 03:19, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: The programming language is not named after the snake. The snake family (not genus) seems like it would be the ptopic, if there is one at all, but I'm not sure. Arnav Bhate (talk ⢠contribs) 09:16, 25 August 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose. Nom's argument Since the other topics were named after the genus, the genus should be the main topic is a common misconception to the point of possibly being a perennial proposal but it has no support either in Wikipedia policy or in Wikipedia practice. Andrewa (talk) 07:05, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
Requested move 24 August 2025
[edit]- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: procedural close. The first proposed move is already under discussion above and the second proposal is a malformed request involving a redirect. DrKay (talk) 11:16, 25 August 2025 (UTC)
â The snakes have the most long-term significance by far. No other meaning has anywhere near as much long-term significance as the snakes. Lxvgu5petXUJZmqXsVUn2FV8aZyqwKnO (talk) 19:39, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
:I agree with this. - Roxy the dog 19:55, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
- Please do not open a second RM for the same page while the first is still open. jlwoodwa (talk) 21:48, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
- Speedy close. There is an active RM on this same page. Also: Python (snake) is a redirect; presumably the proposal is to have Pythonidae moved to the base name Python. This exact proposal is one of the alternatives under discussion in the other RM. --MYCETEAE đâđŤâtalk 22:05, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
- As I took part in the above still open RM, I won't close this but it should be closed and discussion should continue there, Lxvgu5petXUJZmqXsVUn2FV8aZyqwKnO. Also Python (snake) is a redirect so not suitable for a proposed move. Skynxnex (talk) 22:23, 24 August 2025 (UTC)