Talk:Trinity University

Requested move 25 June 2025

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. In this discussion, I see a consensus among most participants that the partial title matches at the DAB page do not stand in the way of the Texas University's primary topic status. During the discussion, it was also argued that the Texas university met both primary topic criteria; PT1 (pageviews) is met straightforwardly, while PT2 (significance) was contested. Reviewing these arguments as a whole, I see consensus that the Texas university should assume the primary title. (closed by non-admin page mover) ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 17:03, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

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• Trinity University (Texas) → Trinity University
• Trinity University → Trinity University (disambiguation)

– Trinity University (Texas) is the primary topic with no direct naming conflicts between other members of the disambiguation page. Additionally, Trinity University (Texas) has significantly more traffic than the other members in the disambiguation page, at 7,546 views in the last month compared to Trinity University of Asia at 1,968 and Trinity University College at 339. Source: https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&range=latest-20&pages=Trinity_University_(Texas) Forrest Keller (talk) 13:33, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

• Support The arguments presented by the proposer are reasonable and convincing. ElKevbo (talk) 01:28, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose. Can't see that this small university has any particular claim on primary topic status. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:22, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

  Size of student body should not be a factor. For example, see Williams College of a similar size, who, because of it's relative importance compared to other schools bearing a similar name, claims the page as a primary topic, with a different disambiguation page Williams College (disambiguation). This format should be applied here. Forrest Keller (talk) 17:41, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

  But why is this university more significant than the others using the name? That's the point. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:52, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

  Firstly, no other school is using the name.

  Amongst schools with a similar name, primarily due to it's programs influence. It is ranked as the 40th best national liberal arts college in the US by USNWR and has an endowment of ~1.85 billion dollars, making it an unusually wealthy school for it's size. It has graduated alumni who hold influential roles in government and business (see List of Trinity University (Texas) people). Compare this to Trinity Washington University, for example, which is ranked 129th in regional universities north, and has an endowment of ~39 million dollars. Another metric to consider is selectivity, where Trinity University sits at ~28.2% and Trinity Washington University sits at ~97%. Forrest Keller (talk) 15:15, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

• Support - it's the only one called "Trinity University" Red Slash 18:56, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
  • No, it's not. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:52, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
    • What other "Trinity University" has been left out of the discussion? ElKevbo (talk) 11:39, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

    It is. All other universities that include the words "trinity" and "university" in their name also include other words that disambiguate them. Please reference the Trinity University disambiguation page included in this move request. Forrest Keller (talk) 14:09, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

    Trinity University of Asia, for a start, is also called Trinity University. The "of Asia" bit is just an addition. It's still commonly referred to by the shortened term. We shouldn't just consider exact title matches; that's not generally how disambiguation works. If it did then Lyndon Johnson (American football), for example, should be primary topic for Lyndon Johnson (because the president is commonly referred to using his middle initial). The only possible reason for this move is the Texas university being primary topic, and I don't think it is. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:49, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

    That's not true. Their literal seal says "of Asia". Red Slash 15:55, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

    Firstly, you are wrong with the naming of the school you use to argue for a name conflict. The opening sentence of the Trinity University of Asia Wikipedia article states: "Trinity University of Asia (formerly Trinity College of Quezon City), also known as TUA or simply Trinity". Using your logic, we should include the Holy Trinity article under a broad "Trinity" disambiguation page, and every page on Wikipedia should be a disambiguation page if we were to implement such a narrow definition of a primary topic.

    Secondly, you use an example of an exact naming conflict to argue why an inexact naming conflict should be treated the same way. In this regard, please reference my comment to you on 15:15, 27 June 2025 (UTC), in which I looked over the fact that you were wrong on the existence of a naming conflict to argue why even assuming a naming conflict, Trinity University deserves to be a primary topic. The same logic is used to make Lyndon Johnson the primary topic because of his relative importance even though many may claim the name.

    To summarize:

    1. Trinity University has significantly more web traffic than any other pages in the disambiguation page

    2. Trinity University is NOT a direct naming conflict with any other members of the disambiguation page

    3. Compared to the other members of the disambiguation page, by most metrics, it is more influential in academia.

    These arguments clearly lay out why Trinity University is a primary topic according to the first definition from Wikipedia in Wikipedia:Disambiguation/PrimaryTopicDefinition.

    In opposition, you have not disputed the first or third claims, you have disputed the second claim by falsely claiming a direct naming conflict's existence. Therefore, all three arguments, for now, stand. Forrest Keller (talk) 19:01, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

• Support as the entry known solely as "Trinity University". Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:25, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.