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The Last Jew in Vinnitsa
The Last Jew in Vinnitsa
  • ALT1: ... that artificial intelligence was used to help identify Jakobus Onnen as the gunman in The Last Jew in Vinnitsa (pictured)?
    • Reviewed:
    • Converted from a redirect by TouchedWithFire (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    TouchedWithFire (talk) 11:04, 24 October 2025 (UTC).

    General: Article is new enough and long enough

    Policy compliance:

    Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
    Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
    QPQ: None required.

    Overall: @TouchedWithFire: I read the Guardian article awhile ago, pretty interesting. I also took the liberty of adding the photo to the hook. The sources are all legit, but I can't say I disagree with the reader who tagged it as possibly incorporating AI generated text. I removed some of the obvious stuff, but it's still there. Most pressing, the last seven sentences are not currently cited. I've also proposed an ALT1 to make the hook less clunky. 1brianm7 (talk) 02:20, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

    1brianm7 Please note, I added more sources, it would be appreciated if you could look at the article again. Thank you. TouchedWithFire (talk) 11:25, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
    @TouchedWithFire: okay, everything is sourced and the text looks mostly fine, so I’m approving
    I think this will have to be pulled. I have serious concerns regarding LLM usage with this article, and further, a read of the German version makes it clear that it is full of factual inaccuracies. It would be embarrassing to let this go to the main page in this state - it needs to be rewritten. MediaKyle (talk) 18:10, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
    I've removed my approval until this can be resolved. Looking at the German version through Google translate, the only things that stick out are some bad phrasing, redundancy, and a few eh sentences ("reflecting his role as an educated professional within the Nazi academic milieu"). I don't see any factual inaccuracies. The prose has significant similarities with the German article, so I'm fairly certain parts of it were translated (by the creator or an LLM I don't know), but it is not attributed as such. Pinging creator @TouchedWithFire: 1brianm7 (talk) 19:11, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
    Okay, I'm taking a step back. Yesterday I worked on the article for an hour, added sources, and rewrote a large part of it. I wanted to take part in DYK because it seemed interesting and important to me, I hope I'll succeed next time. TouchedWithFire (talk) 04:26, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
    @TouchedWithFire: I’ve found appearing on DYK to be a fulfilling part of writing an article, I’m sorry that this experience hasn’t been the best for you. If you so desire, I’ll reject this nomination. However, I would recommend against doing so as this can still be accepted until it timeouts in about two months, and you might change your mind. Looking at the article’s content, I don’t see any factual inaccuracies or problem with its biographical content (pinging @MediaKyle: to ask what they saw), just some redundancy and problems with sources not being placed next to text they support. The article is by no means unable to be brought to standard and those problems are not impossible to solve. 1brianm7 (talk) 19:58, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
    Thank you so much, I really appreciate your reply. If so, I will follow your advice and would ask that the door remain open. I will work on it soon and try to bring it up to par. TouchedWithFire (talk) 07:22, 30 October 2025 (UTC)
    Note that the article states that Onnen is the likely murderer while the hooks portray him as the undisputed murderer. It's one or the other and this needs to be settled before this can run. Bremps... 16:06, 31 October 2025 (UTC)
    Thank you all for the feedback, I rewrote much of the article and I think I addressed all the issues. @1brianm7: If you could, I would appreciate it if you would give it another look. Thank you.
    @TouchedWithFire: I'm a little busy right now and I didn't see this since the ping didn't work as you forgot to sign, but I'll try to look it over next week. 1brianm7 (talk) 04:16, 7 November 2025 (UTC)
    • Pinging nominator and those who have previously raised concerns, feel free to ignore . @TouchedWithFire, MediaKyle, Gdeblois19, Chipmunkdavis, and Bremps: First I'd like to thank all the editors who raised concerns with the article and helped improve it, and TouchedWithFire for not getting disheartened and working on it. The article has undergone significant edits to ensure source text integrity and get it up to standard. I have just done a significant round of copyedits and formatting mostly, but I did not find any factually incorrect claims or issues with source-text integrity. I would like to get a second opinion to make sure I'm calling this right and no debilitating concerns remain before removing the banner. As for the hook issue raised, I think ALT1a: ... that historian Jürgen Matthäus used artificial intelligence to help identify Jakobus Onnen as the gunman in The Last Jew in Vinnitsa (pictured)? resolves it. Also, we should probably get a dummy edit to provide attribution to the .de article, but I have no clue on how to do that. 1brianm7 (talk) 19:25, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
    It's been a week. the dummy edit was done 1brianm7 (talk) 02:13, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
    When I promoted this, the only underlying issue was, I thought, the failed verification, and I was going to migrate the source somewhere else. However I have pulled it after some issues raised by MediaKyle, mainly the underlying LLM generation (that may still have some hallucinations) and the difference in perspective from the dewiki article which portrays it from a broader point of view (while this article asserts that the gunman is Onnen, the German article isn't that sure). The article needs more thorough checks of the sources before it can be approved. Pings: TouchedWithFire, Gdeblois19, Chipmunkdavis, Bremps, 1brianm7 HurricaneZetaC 03:23, 6 December 2025 (UTC)
    Regarding the hooks, I removed the caption from the image as it violated WP:DYKIMG. ALT1 or ALT1a are both fine, but the issues above need to be fixed. HurricaneZetaC 03:30, 6 December 2025 (UTC)
    I've cleaned up some hallucination and cloppyvio, but I can't access quite a few of the paywalled German sources. I also have an unusual concern about the hook, in that it is very similar to the Guardian article headline. It varies a bit but not enough that it doesn't give me pause, other opinions welcome. CMD (talk) 04:41, 6 December 2025 (UTC)
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