Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aluk Todolo

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus‎. ✗plicit 00:37, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Aluk Todolo

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Contested draftification, but can't find any in-depth coverage from independent, reliable sources to show it passes WP:GNG. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 10:53, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Religion and Indonesia. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:58, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify The topic per se is notable. It is covered in many scholarly works about the Toraja people. But in its current shape with poor sourcing (I have reasons to believe that the article creator has not even fully read them), it simply does not fulfil the purpose of presenting information of any value about the topic to our readers. –Austronesier (talk) 12:22, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I did draftify, for just the reasons you stated above, but it was returned to draftspace. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 14:49, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You did the right thing then and have done the right thing now by taking the stony road of AfD. The page creator disruptively has restored the article in main space, and FWIW, this is not the first time they resort to edit warring in the page creation process. –Austronesier (talk) 16:07, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Per WP:DRAFTOBJECT, restoring a draft to mainspace is not disruptive. Sojourner in the earth (talk) 20:39, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The topic easily meets GNG. For example, it is discussed at length in these two books, [1], [2], and gets many more hits on GBooks and GScholar. The religion is also known as alukta, which also gets plenty of hits. Sojourner in the earth (talk) 20:38, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 11:29, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, Sojourner in the earth's book-reference is convincing, and there are indeed many more in Google-books (broader Google-searches are hampered by the rock-band). (1) If there are factual problems with the article, there should at least be some attempt at discussion on the (currently non-existent) talk-page; (2) No one has done anything wrong here; the author was entitled to contest draftification, and Onel5969 was equally entitled to seek debate at AfD, and correctly did so. Let's judge the topic on its merits. Elemimele (talk) 16:53, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 00:25, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.