Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Baarmutha, Victoria

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The result was keep‎. (non-admin closure) — Benison (Beni · talk) 06:49, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Baarmutha, Victoria

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Non-notable place, and not a real locality. Contains only a single source, and according to both google maps and the Australian Bureau of Statistics, this place does not exist. Likely a historical place that does not exist any more and thus doesn't meet requirements for notability. I don't like deleting articles relating to georaphy as Wikipedia:Notability (geographic features) states that "Populated, legally recognized places are typically presumed to be notable, even if their population is very low. Even abandoned places can be notable, because notability encompasses their entire history." however, Baarmutha is not legally recognised and it seems the area it is purported to be in, is part of Beechworth. Viatori (talk) 06:30, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Australia. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 11:47, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I found this book: [1], but I don't have access to it. Would that be enough for notability? I would tend to think a place that had a post office for that long would be at least somewhat documented, but maybe post offices work differently in Australia. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 11:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Most places did have post offices, under names that don't exist today, but they don't seem to meet the notability requirements and thus don't have articles. The only remnants of the name today are businesses that still use the name. Viatori (talk) 00:48, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep ghost town and former gold mining area. The 1907 Victorian Municipal Directory and Gazette calls it a township with a school, a library, and a population of 100. [2] There's not a lot of mentions, but it passes WP:GEOLAND and comes up in some historical scholarly articles and in agricultural information. SportingFlyer T·C 04:29, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Google Maps and the Australian Bureau of Statistics are not the official place names register for anywhere in Australia. To determine if a place name is official, then the place to check is the relevant government's register. For Victoria, the official place name register is VicNames. It is somewhat annoyingly more aimed at providing map info, but if you use their download button, you can get the register entry in a spreadsheet format. It does indeed list Baarmutha, so it is an official name. And, as commented above, historic locations are notable if sources exist. VicNames mentions a books and a website. A quick search of the State Library of Victoria's catalogue reveals a number of photos, books, etc exist. Looking at Trove, there is plenty of newspaper coverage (ok, not all of it is useful for a Wikipedia article, but it demonstrates it was a place of significance in its time). Having written some of these kinds of articles myself, I would suggest a more accurate first sentence might be "Baarmutha is a former town and now neighbourhood within the locality of Wherever, Shire of Whatever, Victoria, Australia." Kerry (talk) 01:19, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as per Kerry. WP:GEOLAND states that "Even abandoned places can be notable, because notability encompasses their entire history." As Kerry said, there is a lot of coverage on Trove, from which it's clear that there was a Baarmutha Tennis Club and a Baarmutha park with a race track, cycle, track, football oval, memorial gates, etc. The Victorian government produced a map of Baarmutha in 1977. No doubt the book The Baarmutha Story (published 2011) contains that information. There is also a book published in 1992 called Rural living area structure plans : Baarmutha, Wooragee. The article should be kept, and could certainly be expanded. In terms of being part of Beechworth, many small towns and townships have been incorporated into larger cities or are now considered suburbs of them - it doesn't mean they are not notable. RebeccaGreen (talk) 09:28, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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