Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charlie Cook

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The result was delete. --Core desat 06:40, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Charlie Cook

Non notable wrestler, no evidence of multiple independent non-trivial reliable sources, fails WP:BIO. I did also check into him allegedly playing for the Steelers but could find no record of a Charlie (or Charles) Cook playing for them, so I'm assuming it's kayfabe. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 01:50, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. If kept, please deal with image problems immediately. ~ G1ggy! _{blah, blah, blah} 05:44, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per he was never a Steeler, according to their official roster. That leaves us with a non notable wrestler. the_undertow ^talk 07:17, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as non-notable. Sr13 (T|C) 07:26, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. According to The Wrestling Gospel According to Mike Mooneyham, Ric Flair states,

"I flew to Atlanta. I had a couple matches in some small towns. My first territory was Florida, and J.J. Dillon was the booker. It was in Melbourne, Fla., against Charlie Cook (ex-pro footballer with the Pittsburgh Steelers). I had Charlie all the way around the territory."

Regardless of his status as a professional football player (especially being under the assumption that he competed professionally under his ring name), this is hardly an obscure independent wrestler. Cook was a longtime mainstay in Florida Championship Wrestling and other National Wrestling Alliance regional territories winning several major titles throughout the southeast during the 1970s and 80s. Among his most notable feuds include Ric Flair, Dory Funk, Jr., Barry Windham and Abdullah the Butcher, defeating the latter for the WWC Carribean title in 1982. The majority of these points have been either cited directly, in terms of his championship titles, or provided by external links. In addition, he also listed in Pro Wrestling Illustrated's PWI Years as # 475 of the top 500 wrestlers of all time. MadMax 10:13, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Perhaps you can provide a single non-wrestling source that he was an NFL player then? One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 16:50, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment according to this he was a footballer that tried out for the Steelers, but may not have made it to first grade.

You and Geto got into a program when you first came into All-South with Charlie Cook and Ray Candy. What do you recall about those two guys?

I remember that both of them were very good guys. Actually, I don’t even know if Charlie’s still alive.

Yeah, last I heard I believe he is living in Florida. I could be wrong on that, but I know he’s still alive.

The thing I remember most about him was that he was real athletic.

Yeah, he was a football player.

I believe at one time or another he had a tryout with the Steelers, which I liked being from the area. (Laughs) And I always got along with Ray. We ran into each other all the time over the years. He and I even worked together over in Japan. Every time I saw Ray he had a smile on his face. They were both really nice guys. –– Lid^(Talk) 18:39, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Please see the link I provided above to the team roster, as I believe this to be a reliable source that shows he was not a Steeler. the_undertow ^talk 07:18, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Although an article by the Post and Courier supports the claim that he was a former NFL player, his football career is not the sole claim for his nobility (flyers from Championship Wrestling from Florida Archives clearly show his headling many of their events during the late 1970s). The main points of his wrestling career, as stated previously, are already cited by independent and reliable sources. Again, you're basing your assumpion that Charlie Cook competed professionally using his ringname prior to becoming a professional wrestler (although admittedly I myself am unaware of his real name). MadMax 19:57, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I can't view the entire article, but it has the name Mike Mooneyham in it, who is the person making the claim that can't be verified by any NFL sources. Also a name on a flyer is not a non-trivial source. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 20:33, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. That is the reason the CWF Archive appears as an external link and not directly referenced. I merely provided the link to illustrate a point that he headline numerous event in the promotion during the 1970s. Aside from being mentioned prominantly in several interviews (such as his feud with Ric Flair as already shown above) as well as being mentioned prominantly in two autobiographies, the cited sources include wrestling-titles.com which confirm he has held several notable championship titles in the National Wrestling Alliance and the World Wrestling Council, both notable promotions. Also, unlike the PWI 500, the PWI Years ranks wrestlers of all time which includes retired and deceased wrestlers. Regardless of your opinions, awards and other honors by Pro Wrestling Illustrated are considered notable. Weither or not he competed professionally for the Steelers does not subtract from his notability as a professional wrestler (otherwise the article would be about a football player and not a professional wrestler). MadMax 23:58, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment "Notable" to wrestling fans possibly, unfortunately as I've explained to you on repeated AfDs Wikipedia uses notability guidelines for people which can be found at WP:BIO, so you would be better served using those. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 00:00, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom, yet another good catch by One Night In Hackney. RFerreira 07:06, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.