Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Klara Hitler

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was SPEEDY KEEP, per 4 speedy keep and 2 keep votes vs. 0 delete votes, also see Wikipedia:Snowball clause. JIP | Talk 03:55, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Klara Hitler

How is she notable on her own? Merge into Adolf Hitler article DimaG (talk) 00:15, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy keep Bio about the mother of one of the 20th century's most recognizeable political figures is encyclopedic. Klara Hitler has been widely noted in thousands of publications, sources on her abound. Moreover this AfD is malformed and should be closed as such: Nom advocates a merge, not deletion. Gwen Gale (talk) 00:19, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep per Gwen Gale. Article is definitely stand alone. Merging back into Adolf Hitler article not helpful as that article is already long enough to scroll through.--Sting Buzz Me... 00:39, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep per Gwen Gale and Sting. Apart from anything else, there is plenty of coverage of her specifically, e.g. see the GoogleBooks search[1]. Passes WP:BIO by way over a mile. Nsk92 (talk) 00:58, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This AfD may be rather pointy too.[2] Gwen Gale (talk) 01:02, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well... I put this on VDF to see what happens. I am pretty surprised that this article might be deleted in the Russian Wikipedia here's the discussion [3] --DimaG (talk) 01:08, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

First, I don't think a nom for AfD "to see what happens" is very helpful. This aside, having looked at the Russian Wikipedia version of the article, it's sketchy, has oddly sentimental language and some errors of fact, along with only one cited source (Fromm). I see keep votes in the discussion there, which mostly has to do with whether or not mothers of famous figures are in themselves notable (tellingly, one poster says the mother of Lenin would be, but few others). I don't think the comparison adds much here. Gwen Gale (talk) 01:35, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I looked up the discussion in the Russian AfD as well. I don't find the delete arguments presented there persuasive. This is not a BLP1E case (where some-one gets 15 minutes of fame and is then largely forgotten). Our WP:BIO has very good and specific language in this regard: "That person A has a relationship with well-known person B is not a reason for a standalone article on A (unless significant coverage can be found on A)". In this case there is plenty of significant coverage of "A", that is of Klara Hitler. The key requirement of WP:BIO is: "A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has been the subject of published secondary source material which is reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject". There is no doubt that this requirement is satisfied here. Also, as one of the keep voters in the Russian AfD said, the subject clearly passes the 100 years test. Nsk92 (talk) 01:52, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep clearly notable. JJL (talk) 02:27, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as per all of the above. Aleta ^Sing 03:41, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy/Snow Keep There has been plenty of notability established to Hitler's mother in many sources. She has been studied throughout history for obvious reasons (nature vs. nurture debates, what does it take to create a Hitler, etc.), and as such, is far more notable than a typical historical figure's mother. Eauhomme (talk) 03:46, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.