Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Parasitic state

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The result was Delete. Anyone who wants the content to merge somewhere can drop me a line. Stifle (talk) 12:45, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Parasitic state

Non-notable "concept". Only one reference, to an unreliable source. Standard Google search shows less than 3k hits, most of which pertain to biological and ecological topics. Google Scholar confirms the lack of widespread usage past this single source. Hemlock Martinis (talk) 19:13, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete This seems to be a made-up concept of the anarco-capitalists. Could be merged to their article. Northwestgnome (talk) 19:35, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, it dates back at least as far as Lenin and has been used by communists as well. EVCM (talk) 19:59, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It seems to me that the article is about the concept that all states are parasitic, not about the "parasitic states" themselves. It might be okay as a wikionary item. Northwestgnome (talk) 20:18, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lenin (September 1917) asserted that any developed government bureaucracy of his period was parasitic. Any = no need for a separate text beyond the scope of state. NVO (talk) 22:01, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, he asserted the bureaucracy (the people, the "ruling elite") of "capitalist" states are "parasitics" or even "parasites", but he fid not assert that state per se is "parasitic". If you think otherwise, pleas provide exact citation.Biophys (talk) 00:17, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

By that same logic, taxation as theft and taxation as slavery would not be articles either. EVCM (talk) 22:24, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly. One-line fringe theories should be reviewed in principal texts on the subject. P.S. Trust me, I'm an accountant. NVO (talk) 23:11, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Was Leninism a fringe theory? EVCM (talk) 23:38, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

At one time it was. Northwestgnome (talk) 01:20, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lenin's theories were fringe. Whatever was made of it after his death is quite a different story. NVO (talk) 01:18, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete and Merge useful information (if any) into anarco-capitalist RockManQ (talk) 02:51, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep/merge/redirect Mathmo ^Talk 03:55, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. OR and gross misinterpretation of Lenin.Biophys (talk) 05:22, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Perhaps you'd care to enlighten us with the correct interpretation so as to back up your point? I think it's a valid interpretation, which the references amply demonstrate. EVCM (talk) 05:29, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The expression "parasitic state" perhaps belong to Cat Farmer cited in ref. 1. Lenin did not consider state as a "parasite". The "parasites" or "harmful insects" are people - "ruling classes" of the capitalistic (democratic) states according to him. Lenin was not against the state. He simply wanted a different type of state, "the dictatorship of proletariat" or a super-state, also known as a "totalitarian state".Biophys (talk) 22:55, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lenin thought that the state would "wither away" once communism were achieved. But, more references to the "parasitic state": http://flag.blackened.net/rocker/marx.htm , https://doi.org/10.1007%2FBF01121238 , http://www.jstor.org/pss/656913 , etc. Just google "parasitic state" and "Lenin." That recurs throughout communist literature. EVCM (talk) 01:21, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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