Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Salah Abdeslam

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.‎

The result was SNOW KEEP and CLOSE - with nearly 40,000 page views in 4 days and global news coverage like [1] focused directly on the subject not a chance this page should be deleted or redirected. Early votes were made under different circumstances, so less weight given to them. (non-admin close) Legacypac (talk) 02:01, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Salah Abdeslam

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This is quite possibly just a regular guy, caught up in something. WP:BLP1E. Suspected of a lot, though we know very little. This is a magnet for all sorts of tabloid crap. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:15, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, during the last few days his name is on the first pages of many well known international newspapers and online publications, with many of them calling him 'Europe's most wanted'. --Eurofan88 (talk) 07:26, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Most of them also acknowledge they have no idea what he's suspected of. Newspapers have pressure to run with breaking news, regardless of known facts. Wikipedia is not a newspaper, and not so pressured to fill space with whatever tidbits it can. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:20, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete until there is confirmation - there are simply too many unknowns around news events to be sure of anything. This is almost the definition of being WP:TOOSOON. JMWt (talk) 08:38, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete and integrate all murders from Paris in one article.--Empiricus-sextus (talk) 23:00, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - we go by sources for notability; no indication whatsoever he was "caught up" in this —Мандичка^YO 😜 23:14, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If I dropped my brother off somewhere, then shit like this went down and I found myself at the centre of a global manhunt, I'd definitely feel "caught up" in something heavy. And yes, I'd bolt even if I were innocent. Europe hasn't a great track record with suspected Islamic terrorists. Is there any indication yet he had anything to do with this beyond simply dropping his brother off somewhere?

Remember when Ryan Lanza killed all those kids? This might be another of those. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:44, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Dropped off your brother? Salah Abdeslam rented the car used in the attack. Both he and his brother were arrested by Belgian authorities after trying to go to Syria. Again we go by the reliable sources, not your gut feeling he's innocent. —Мандичка^YO 😜 04:57, 19 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think he's guilty or innocent. I just know he's relatively unknown. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:57, 19 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep or redirect - This is a valid search term, so the article should be either kept or redirected to November_2015_Paris_attacks#Perpetrators. --Jax 0677 (talk) 00:44, 19 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, a redirect seems right. Those who search for it shouldn't be left in the dark, just sent to an article with better oversight and wider context. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:53, 19 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Notable for separate article. Wide press coverage. 178.94.166.186 (talk) 13:58, 19 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Does not seem independently notable or significant news coverage. Inter&anthro (talk) 16:44, 19 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to the page for the Paris attacks. Bueller 007 (talk) 19:19, 19 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep He's currently the most famous fugitive in Europe, and is now the lone target of one of the largest manhunts in European history. He's notable as a famous fugitive, regardless of actual guilt. According to The Independent, "Flyers displaying his face are posted in every town in France" [2]. Not many people can claim to have succeeded in achieving this mark of notability. Fraenir (talk) 20:30, 19 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or redirect to November 2015 Paris attacks#Perpetrators. Quis separabit? 22:44, 19 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Per everyone else, this doesn't have to be made with him as an actual perp in mind. Even if he's found innocent, there can still be material gleaned from the manhunt since it's massive. 75.80.175.107 (talk) 04:43, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - receieved significant coverage. --JamieTheGenius (talk) 08:01, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Indissociable from November 2015 Paris attacks and thus without independently notability or significant news coverage that is not trivial. -- Ohc ^¡digame! 09:49, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

So WP:SPINOUTs are impossible, basically? LjL (talk) 23:50, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not impossible, but not always proper. The main article isn't a "very large" one (minus the massive reference list) and this topic isn't a standalone list, but a living person and biography subject notable in the context of only one event. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:42, 21 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep in antithesis to JMWt, because additional information may surface within the future, WP:USUAL. Aikiangelos (talk) 10:31, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Keep Named most wanted person in recent times suggests he will stand the test of time in terms of notability and clearly is not run of the mill. But the main reason is he is currently WANTED for one the most heinous crimes in European history, it is a necessity that information about him is easily accessible. In fact, there needs to be multiple photos if possible. Article should be expanded massively until he is caught, further evaluation should yield the same result. Valoem ^talk ^contrib 16:22, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Terrorism-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:46, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Uh? Keep, of course. Number one terrorism suspect in Europe, let's spend our AFD times on articles with any chance of being deleted please? LjL (talk) 18:18, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:44, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:44, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:44, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - received coverage beyond one time. per WP:GNG---BabbaQ (talk) 23:50, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - per LjL and Valoem --DarTar (talk) 06:29, 21 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Broad coverage in reliable sources.Blethering Scot 13:02, 21 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - plenty of coverage from reliable sources available Spiderone 14:36, 21 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep And close this absurd discussion now. Nom ought to have withdrawn it. This kind of template (on an article getting thousands of hits a day) merely makes Wikipedia look silly.E.M.Gregory (talk) 22:12, 21 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Whatever the reason, but he has become famous and notable so page should be kept. The article says he is suspect and is wanted, and that is true. It appears that those who want this page deleted have got sympathy for this man. There is no reason even to nominate this page for deletion.--UBEDJUNEJO 23:50, 21 November 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ubed junejo (talk • contribs)
Keep. Now, more details have come out about this man, so he's more notable. epic genius (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:33, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.