Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Bagatelle Card Club

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirecting The Bagatelle Card Club → The Adventure of the Empty House, and The Tankerville Club → The Five Orange Pips. keep Killer Evans. - Mgm|^(talk) 11:32, 12 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Bagatelle Card Club

Also The Tankerville Club and Killer Evans

Completely non-notable and generally un-necessary as an article. The subjects have no significance to anything. ╟─Treasury Tag►contribs─╢ 18:19, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep - In 100 years the articles will still be correct and factual, yes, they are about secondary characters in novels but extremely notable ones. My main reason for keep is that I do not see how this harms wikipedia or does a disservice to a person using it. OTOH maybe it is too obscure and sets a precedent that every little detail for every fictional work (ie Pokemon, Simpsons, Family Guy, ) can be detailed in numerous articles leading to 1,000s of article fragments resembling cruft. --Faradayplank (talk) 07:52, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
All I would say is that only one is a character; the other two are simply fictional places mentioned once in passing. None of these meet any sort of notability threshold. ╟─Treasury Tag►contribs─╢ 11:06, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If someone was interested the content could be merged, as one page already has a proposal. I don't think my arguments for keep are very good, nor are the articles exceptional. They certainly only have notability based on inheritances from the books. My Weak keep is as weak as they get. --Faradayplank (talk) 21:40, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete No substance at all, no apparent notability, can be covered in main article if necessary. – sgeureka ^t•c 19:13, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. -- Raven1977 (talk) 21:10, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:19, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete the two club articles as subjects of very minor mentions in the Holmes stories, lacking any substantive treatment in reliable sources that would satisfy WP:N. Delete Killer Evans as nothing but plot summary that is duplicative of (and inferior to) the summary in The Adventure of the Three Garridebs. Deor (talk) 02:29, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect The Bagatelle Card Club → The Adventure of the Empty House, and The Tankerville Club → The Five Orange Pips. I express no clear opinion about the third article Killer Evans, though I'm inclined to allow it to stay. - Richard Cavell (talk) 10:47, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The Tankerville Club and the Bagatelle have the same reference in The Empty House too, of course... ╟─Treasury Tag►contribs─╢ 08:07, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for the two clubs; possibly make a redirect. They are just background, and even for very notable fiction ,articles on them is going way too far. If they played a significant role in the story, it would be another matter entirely. The Tankerville club does not actually play a role in either story--""Tankerville Club scandal" is one of the multitude of unwritten cases ,
Three different problems:

Keep for Killer Evans, as the principal figure in a medium-important Holmes story--the problem here is that there is nothing much to say about him that is not relevant to the story itself and that would belong in the same article. I'd say Keep here primarily because of NOT PAPER--the duplication does not matter, and the tories are famous enough that the principal villain in any one of them is notable. But I could also see merge--one story is like one episode, & it is not one of the most famous of the stories.

Merge/redirect for The Bagatelle club -- it is not notable. It's pure background, and nothing about it is of any particular importance in the story.

Merge'/Keep for Tankerville, although The Tankerville Club plays even less role in either of the stories, I think either it or The Tankerville Case needs an entry, because of the reference to one of the many cases that the stories mention, and have been objects of speculation and fanfiction ever since. At the least it needs a merge, because people will come across the name and not know its not actually a story. DGG (talk) 05:15, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.