Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thou Shalt Not...

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The result was delete. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:44, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thou Shalt Not...

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Delete all - no independent reliable sources establish the individual notability of these episodes. Fail WP:GNG and since some of them are nothing but extended plot summaries they fail WP:PLOT as well. PRODs disputed and in one case article restored following PROD deletion by extreme inclusionist who does not understand that every obscure episode title from every TV series that ever existed doesn't require a redirect since if someone should happen to search for the eptitle they will land on the ep list even without the obscure redirect. No sourced information in any of the articles so there is nothing to merge. Are You The Cow Of Pain? (talk) 11:39, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all per nom. These articles are completely unnecessary and the episodes are clearly not notable enough for their own individual articles. The individual episodes should be collected and discussed together at the season and/or show page, per WP:EPISODE. Looks like most (if not all) of these articles are copy/pastes from Quantum Wiki. SnottyWong ^express 18:49, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I investigated the copying and tagged some of the articles for copyvio, CSD G12. More information is available on the talk page. Flatscan (talk) 04:03, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - All the CSD G12 tagged articles were deleted. Flatscan (talk) 04:33, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:24, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Merge all to List of Quantum Leap episodes per WP:ATD, as PROD decliner. Note that I suggested the nominator simply redirect or merge the articles himself, but he has chosen not to do so, contra WP:EPISODE arguing for direct deletion instead. Jclemens (talk) 20:06, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

WP:EPISODE is disputed and not part of any WP policy or guideline. None of this information is sourced and much of it is trivial and all episodes are already covered in sufficient detail in the list. Are You The Cow Of Pain? (talk) 20:19, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- WP:EPISODE is created by people who actually work in and improve articles in this space. Is there any particular reason you don't choose to follow consensus and collaborative solutions? Unsourced != unsourceable, and AfD is not for cleanup. And finally, what is your reason for not simply redirecting the articles to the list? Jclemens (talk) 23:07, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Which does not make it either a policy or a guideline, as it is disputed. Thank you, though, for the implication that I don't work to improve articles. I mean I've only worked on a few hundred articles over the last few months and created a couple dozen from scratch, including two for episodes of television series that are actually sourced and notable. Are You The Cow Of Pain? (talk) 05:12, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Merge all relevant information to List of Quantum Leap episodes. I'm with Jclemens on this one. Airplaneman ✈ 04:58, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- And if there is indeed nothing to merge (as Flatscan says below), I say redirect all to the list. I see some have been deleted under WP:CSD#G12, so if the decision is to merge the articles, I will go ahead and recreate those as redirects. Airplaneman ✈ 04:25, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - I've given this some more thought, and agree with Flatscan that these titles are not ones to be typed into the search box. Any internal links can point directly to the list. I don't think the redirects are needed, so delete all. Airplaneman ✈ 04:56, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect - Should have been the first move anyways. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 17:08, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all, minimal usable content to merge and low-value redirect titles. Flatscan (talk) 04:30, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- The infoboxes either duplicate information in the list or would be more easily added for all episodes from a source like the Internet Movie Database.
- The Music sections added by User:Lazried57 are not appropriate to merge into the list, and I can't think of anywhere to use them.
- All except "Thou Shalt Not..." were originally copied from List of Quantum Leap episodes. See the talk page for analysis. If not deleted, they have to be attributed per WP:Copying within Wikipedia (I'll handle this if necessary).
- The "Thou Shalt Not..." episode summary is shorter than its corresponding list entry.
  Flatscan (talk) 04:30, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I have asked Jclemens and Airplaneman to expand on their merge all recommendations. Flatscan (talk) 04:28, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- A review of the merge target will show that the plot summaries for the articles under discussion are quite a bit more perfunctory than those of existing list entries which are not bluelinked, as Flatscan has already noted above. I would expect that an editor can appropriately decide which of the content to merge to provide a harmonious and license-honoring integration of the content. "Merge" does not necessarily mean "merge everything". Jclemens (talk) 04:38, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Jclemens is correct that the list entries have been reduced for episodes with separate articles. Since I found a revision prior to the articles' creations, I will restore the longer entries for any deleted articles, starting with those that were CSD'd. Flatscan (talk) 04:49, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - Having reviewed the page history, it seems that most episodes, including the five G12'd ones, were pretty much unchanged August 2009–August 2010. A large reduction and reformatting was done by User:Xeworlebi (who appears to be an experienced list editor) in the past few days. Flatscan (talk) 04:19, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Restating my original comment: I've looked at the five remaining articles and think that all of their content is 1) already present in the list article or its recent history; 2) minor infobox data available directly from sources, for all episodes; or 3) not appropriate for the list article. Clarifying request: please point out specific pieces of content as counterexamples that should be merged, rather than merely asserting that they exist. Flatscan (talk) 04:19, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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