Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2025 October 8
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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 00:54, 16 October 2025 (UTC)
Unnecessary template for a grouping of legal leaders on the international stage. The other G7/G20 templates make sense as the individuals involved (i.e. finance, defense, foreign affairs, etc. ministers usually engage in international diplomacy). The same definitely can't be said with regards to supreme court justices, who never appear at these events. - Epluribusunumyall (talk) 23:27, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- Apparently, chief judges of the G20 supreme and constitutional courts attend so-called "J20" summits, see, e.g., https://g20.org/track/supreme-courts-and-constitutional-courts-j20/, https://j20.judiciary.org.za/, https://www.gov.br/g20/en/g20-social/supreme-courts-and-constitutional-courts MicNickBell (talk) 11:48, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:31, 11 October 2025 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 00:54, 16 October 2025 (UTC)
- Template:G20-Speakers (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unnecessary template for a grouping of political leaders on the international stage. The other G7/G20 templates make sense as the individuals involved (i.e. finance, defense, foreign affairs, etc. ministers usually engage in international diplomacy). The same can't be said for legislative speakers (especially upper houses in commonwealth countries). - Epluribusunumyall (talk) 23:25, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- Parliamentary leaders of the G20 participate in "P20" summits, see https://g20.org/track/parliament-p20/ MicNickBell (talk) 11:51, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:31, 11 October 2025 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 00:54, 16 October 2025 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Template:History of East Slavs (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- This WP:LEADSIDEBAR is not used anywhere, except on Mongol invasion of Kievan Rus', where it does what leadsidebars do worst: bogging up space in the upper right corner of the article, alongside three other leadsidebars. Time for this history leadsidebar to fade into history.
- Follow-up to Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2025 September 6#Template:History of Tatarstan (deleted), Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2025 October 1#Template:History of Chuvashia (is being deleted), and Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2025 October 1#Template:History of Udmurtia (is being deleted). NLeeuw (talk) 21:07, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- @Srnec and WikiCleanerMan: You'll probably be interested in this follow-up (the 4th in this series). NLeeuw (talk) 21:10, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- Delete. Srnec (talk) 22:41, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:31, 11 October 2025 (UTC)
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Culture sidebars part 6
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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:Argentina topics and others as appropriate Izno (talk) 00:56, 16 October 2025 (UTC)
- Propose merging Template:Culture of Argentina into Template:Argentina topics, and leave a redirect
- Propose merging Template:Culture of Bolivia into Template:Bolivia topics, and leave a redirect
- Propose merging Template:Culture of Brazil into Template:Brazil topics, and leave a redirect
- Propose merging Template:Culture of Chile into Template:Chile topics, and leave a redirect
- Propose merging Template:Colombian culture into Template:Colombia topics, and leave a redirect
- Propose merging Template:Culture of Ecuador into Template:Ecuador topics, and leave a redirect
- Propose merging Template:Culture of Peru into Template:Peru topics, and leave a redirect
- Propose merging Template:Culture of Suriname into Template:Suriname topics, and leave a redirect
- Propose merging Template:Culture of Uruguay into Template:Uruguay topics, and leave a redirect
- Note: Template:Culture of Guyana already redirects to Template:Guyana topics
- Note: Template:Culture of Paraguay already redirects to Template:Paraguay topics
- Note: There is already a Template:Venezuela topics; we never needed a Template:Culture of Venezuela
- Note: There is already a Template:Falkland Islands topics; we never needed a Template:Culture of the Falkland Islands
- Follow-up to Culture sidebars part 1, Culture sidebars part 2, Culture sidebars part 3, and Culture sidebars part 4. See also Culture sidebars part 5 below. NLeeuw (talk) 20:42, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- Courtesy ping to participants of the Culture sidebars part 1, 2, 3, and 4 discussions for follow-up: @TheBritinator, Super Dromaeosaurus, Chipmunkdavis, Gonnym, Frietjes, Matrix, DemocracyDeprivationDisorder, Moxy, Renata3, WikiCleanerMan, Absolutiva, and Piperium: for your information.
NLeeuw (talk) 06:17, 9 October 2025 (UTC) - delete or redirect after replacing the sidebars with footers where necessary. as we discussed before, there is a large amount of duplicated navigation between the sidebars and the footers, which can be addressed by adding any needed missing links to the footers. the footers are better for layout as they don't crowd other right floating content like images and infoboxes. Frietjes (talk) 15:56, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:31, 11 October 2025 (UTC)
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Culture sidebars part 5
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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:Oceania topics and others as appropriate. Izno (talk) 00:56, 16 October 2025 (UTC)
- Propose merging Template:Culture of Oceania sidebar into Template:Oceania topics, and leave a redirect
- (not to be confused with Template:Culture of Oceania, a footer navbox)
- Propose merging Template:Culture of the Federated States of Micronesia into Template:Federated States of Micronesia topics, and leave a redirect
- Propose merging Template:Culture of Fiji into Template:Fiji topics, and leave a redirect
- Propose merging Template:Culture of Indonesia into Template:Indonesia topics, and leave a redirect
- Propose merging Template:Culture of the Marshall Islands into Template:Marshall Islands topics, and leave a redirect
- Propose merging Template:Culture of Nauru into Template:Nauru topics, and leave a redirect
- Propose merging Template:Culture of Papua New Guinea into Template:Papua New Guinea topics, and leave a redirect
- Propose merging Template:Culture of Solomon Islands into Template:Solomon Islands topics, and leave a redirect
- Propose merging Template:Culture of Tonga into Template:Tonga topics, and leave a redirect
- Propose merging Template:Culture of Tuvalu into Template:Tuvalu topics, and leave a redirect
- Propose merging Template:Culture of Vanuatu into Template:Vanuatu topics, and leave a redirect
- Propose merging Template:Culture of Niue into Template:Niue topics, and leave a redirect
- Propose merging Template:Culture of Easter Island into Template:Easter Island, and leave a redirect
- Propose merging Template:Culture of Hawaii into Template:Hawaii, and leave a redirect
- Follow-up to Culture sidebars part 1, Culture sidebars part 2, Culture sidebars part 3, and Culture sidebars part 4. See also Culture sidebars part 6 above. NLeeuw (talk) 19:59, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- PS: Added Solomon Islands. NLeeuw (talk) 06:56, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
- Also pinging @Pratama26 2402:8780:1022:3A65:1EE:906F:D285:F3 (talk) 08:39, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
- Courtesy ping to participants of the Culture sidebars part 1, 2, 3, and 4 discussions for follow-up: @TheBritinator, Super Dromaeosaurus, Chipmunkdavis, Gonnym, Frietjes, Matrix, DemocracyDeprivationDisorder, Moxy, Renata3, WikiCleanerMan, Absolutiva, and Piperium: for your information.
NLeeuw (talk) 06:17, 9 October 2025 (UTC) - delete or redirect after replacing the sidebars with footers where necessary. as we discussed before, there is a large amount of duplicated navigation between the sidebars and the footers, which can be addressed by adding any needed missing links to the footers. the footers are better for layout as they don't crowd other right floating content like images and infoboxes. Frietjes (talk) 15:57, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:31, 11 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nomination. Achmad Rachmani (talk) 07:14, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was Keep * Pppery * it has begun... 18:28, 16 October 2025 (UTC)
Zero documentation or explanation of why/how it differs from {{Infobox election}}. Again I will say we do not need a custom infobox for every country that has elections. That would result in dozen upon dozens of duplicate infoboxes. Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 09:34, 30 September 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:17, 2 October 2025 (UTC)
Deleteper nom --Lenticel (talk) 00:45, 5 October 2025 (UTC)- This nomination definitely needs rethinking, because a spot check makes it look like it's functioning as a box for navigation instead in several cases. Particularly, it looks like it's not used on pages about specific singular elections (e.g. 2024 United States presidential election) but instead functioning for pages that are lists of elections occurring in specific years. See its use e.g. in 2008 elections in India. Izno (talk) 19:17, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
- Keep Have the nominator or the first two !voters looked at how this is being used? It's a completely different template to {{Infobox election}} displaying different information. Its use could be broadened to other countries (to cover articles on elections at multiple levels of government), but I can't see a valid reason for deletion. Number 57 15:38, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- @Number 57: I'll confess I did not do a thorough examination of the transclusions. ZERO documentation is a giant red flag for me (yes I know, WP:FIXIT...). That and the fact that is has a very low use count (16 by my count) and the name points to it being a duplicate of {{Infobox election}}. If this is sufficiently different then you may be right that it needs to stay. That being said, I don't think it is a good idea to have separate election infoboxes for a country. This is VERY slippery slope that could lead to literally hundreds of different infoboxes that are largely duplicates of each other. Perhaps a middle ground is to make it a custom wrapper for {{Infobox election}}?
- FWIW I was going to ping the templates creator (User:QLDer in NSW) to get more information, but they have been banned as a sockpuppet... Open to suggestions.
- Given that it has been 7 days, I'm going to WP:BOLDly re-list this for more discussion. Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 18:14, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Warrants further discussion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 18:14, 8 October 2025 (UTC)- It can't be a wrapper for {{Infobox election}} because it's a completely different layout. It's effectively a summary table of several different types of elections, not for election results like Infobox election. I was suggesting it be renamed (perhaps something like {{Infobox multiple elections summary}}) so it can be used for other countries (as there are other types of articles it would fit). Number 57 22:28, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- @Number 57: gotta admit when I'm wrong... Took the time to actually look at the uses, obviously something I should have done from the get go. This is VERY different from {{Infobox election}} and you are correct, a merge is simply not possible. It is much more like {{Infobox United States elections}} though I certainly wouldn't suggest merging those two... I just don't like the precedent of having custom infoboxes for one country with such a low use count... It just irks me, we should be able to generalize. But the fact that it
irks me
is my problem... Anywya, I did a little more research and found that 2024 elections in the European Union uses a combination of {{Infobox election}} and {{Infobox legislative election}} to achieve a similar result? Maybe there is something there worth considering? At any rate, I'm leaning towards withdrawing this TFD, but think I'll let it go a little longer just to see what comes of the discussion. - DEFINITELY opposed to the original merge I suggested at this point though.
- @Lenticel and WikiCleanerMan: I encourage you to reconsider your !votes based on above. Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 09:40, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
- @Number 57: gotta admit when I'm wrong... Took the time to actually look at the uses, obviously something I should have done from the get go. This is VERY different from {{Infobox election}} and you are correct, a merge is simply not possible. It is much more like {{Infobox United States elections}} though I certainly wouldn't suggest merging those two... I just don't like the precedent of having custom infoboxes for one country with such a low use count... It just irks me, we should be able to generalize. But the fact that it
- It can't be a wrapper for {{Infobox election}} because it's a completely different layout. It's effectively a summary table of several different types of elections, not for election results like Infobox election. I was suggesting it be renamed (perhaps something like {{Infobox multiple elections summary}}) so it can be used for other countries (as there are other types of articles it would fit). Number 57 22:28, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- Keep for now. Thank you for the ping. Anyways, this might require additional changes within the TfD in the future but that's beyond what this TfD is all about --Lenticel (talk) 00:13, 11 October 2025 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 17:42, 15 October 2025 (UTC)
Not usable as a navbox, per the lack of blue links at Richard B. Spence. It is fine for this template to be recreated once there are enough blue links to make it useful. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:42, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:31, 11 October 2025 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 17:42, 15 October 2025 (UTC)
Not used and not usable. We do not create single-year "YYYY in [country] film" or "YYYY [country] films" categories. See Category:2023 in film and Category:2020s in film Category:2020s films by country for the consensus category structure. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:39, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:31, 11 October 2025 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was redirect to Template:Please check ISBN. Izno (talk) 17:43, 15 October 2025 (UTC)
- Template:Wrong ISBN (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
As noted on the talk page, but not addressed, an inline tag makes more sense but is not needed for a bogus ISBN. The commonly used CS1 templates respond to invalid ISBNs with a specific inline visual error message and tracking category. For non-CS1 citations templates and handwritten citations, the {{ISBN}} template will both format an ISBN and, if bogus, generate a visual error message and add the page to a tracking category. This less-specific banner is both redundant and less clear. Examples on inline ISBN error tracking that already exist:
- CS1 template ({{cite book}})
- Moore, Alan; Bolland, Brian (2008). Batman: The Killing Joke (Deluxe ed.). DC Comics. ISBN 9781401242282.
- Moore, Alan; Bolland, Brian (2008). Batman: The Killing Joke (Deluxe ed.). DC Comics. ISBN 978140124228Z.
{{cite book}}: Check|isbn=value: invalid character (help)
- Non-CS1 citation template ({{cite comic}})
- Moore, Alan (w), Bolland, Brian (a), Bolland, Brian (col), Starkings, Richard (let). "The Killing Joke" (Deluxe edition) Batman (2008). DC Comics, ISBN 9781401242282.
- Moore, Alan (w), Bolland, Brian (a), Bolland, Brian (col), Starkings, Richard (let). "The Killing Joke" (Deluxe edition) Batman (2008). DC Comics, ISBN 978140124228Z
{{isbn}}: Checkisbnvalue: invalid character (help).
- Handwritten citation (APA with ISBN appended)
- Moore, A., & Bolland, B. (2008). Batman the killing joke deluxe. DC Comics. ISBN 9781401242282.
- Moore, A., & Bolland, B. (2008). Batman the killing joke deluxe. DC Comics. ISBN 978140124228Z
{{isbn}}: Checkisbnvalue: invalid character (help).
Rjjiii (talk) 04:34, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- Redirect to an in-line template (e.g. {{Please check ISBN}}). Putting a template that is supposed to be for articles where "multiple references contain ISBNs that do not match the books they are attached to", and then not having that same language in the template itself, is confusing. The template does not help editors find the invalid ISBNs. {{Please check ISBN}} can be used with a custom reason for valid ISBNs that do not match the book they are listed beside. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:05, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 02:36, 15 October 2025 (UTC)
This template seems to be just here as a humorous notice, and doesn't seem like it will ever be used. Also, it looks familiar to a certain warning template regarding vandalism, so the template can be considered a derived copy. — Alex26337 (talk) 01:09, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:31, 11 October 2025 (UTC)
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