Template:Did you know nominations/Bill Cottrell
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by Narutolovehinata5 talk 13:39, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
Closing per WP:DYKTIMEOUT.
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Bill Cottrell
- ... that football player Bill Cottrell was the first black center in the NFL?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Alejandro Finisterre
- Comment:
To complete QPQ within 24 hours.
5x expanded by BeanieFan11 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 326 past nominations.
BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:51, 9 April 2025 (UTC).
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QPQ: 
- Not done
Overall: 
Article was expanded 5 times within 7 days of nomination. Article is more than 1,500 characters in prose and is written in a neutral tone. Earwig picked up an unlikely copyright violation of 30.6%, with most of it having to do with direct quotes from Cottrell himself. If there is a way to reduce those, that would be preferable. The hook is a "(subject) is..." quote, but I think it's still interesting because it's notable. National Football League should be wikilinked in the hook, though. A QPQ is still needed at this time. lullabying (talk) 09:01, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
- @Lullabying: Added NFL link to the hook. You might have missed that I already included a QPQ, listed above: Template:Did you know nominations/Alejandro Finisterre. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:30, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
Issues resolved. Good to go. lullabying (talk) 07:30, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
Pulled per concerns raised at WT:DYK#Queue 5 (7 May, 00:00). We'll need a new hook here, one that is less likely to be challenged. @BeanieFan11 and Lullabying: How about:
- ALT1 ... that after his NFL career, Bill Cottrell became a personnel supervisor at the Ford Motor Company?
- ALT2 ... that Bill Cottrell helped organize chapel services during his time playing for the Detroit Lions?
- Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:33, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
- I could live with those being the hook, but IMO the original hook is more 'hooky'. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:55, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
- Given how that "first" claim was objected to, it might be for the best to move away from it. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:47, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Lullabying: As the original reviewed, can you determine if ALT1 and/or ALT2 are approved? Z1720 (talk) 14:57, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
- Definitely. Both look great and I prefer ALT1. lullabying (talk) 02:46, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Lullabying: Please add a symbol indicating approval.--Launchballer 06:55, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
- Good to go. lullabying (talk) 04:32, 2 June 2025 (UTC
I have pulled the hook per Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Queue 3 (13 June 00:00). SL93 (talk) 17:05, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
- @SL93: Is ALT2 an okay hook or is a new hook needed? @BeanieFan11: Please suggest alternative options. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:07, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
- What's wrong with ... that Bill Cottrell went from being an "unheralded" high school player for a poor team to a starter in the NFL? No one seemed to oppose that option. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:14, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
- @SL93: Is ALT2 an okay hook or is a new hook needed? @BeanieFan11: Please suggest alternative options. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:07, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Lullabying: Please add a symbol indicating approval.--Launchballer 06:55, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
- Definitely. Both look great and I prefer ALT1. lullabying (talk) 02:46, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Lullabying: As the original reviewed, can you determine if ALT1 and/or ALT2 are approved? Z1720 (talk) 14:57, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
- Given how that "first" claim was objected to, it might be for the best to move away from it. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:47, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- I could live with those being the hook, but IMO the original hook is more 'hooky'. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:55, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
- @SL93, RoySmith, and Launchballer: This nomination already hit DYKTIMEOUT a while back: is BeanieFan11's proposal above suitable, or should this just be closed? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:01, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
- My suggestion is to drop it. This is exactly why TIMEOUT was invented. I don't see anything special about this particular person, and on top of my usual "we've got more nominations than we can handle" argument, I'll add that we've got too many football nominations; the other day we ran two football hooks in single set. RoySmith (talk) 13:33, 19 June 2025 (UTC)