Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive84
The Sham
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Request concerning The Sham[edit]
Discussion concerning The Sham[edit]Statement by The Sham[edit]Comments by others about the request concerning The Sham[edit]Result concerning The Sham[edit]
This request may be closed if it is not amended to cite the specific sanction or remedy believed to be violated. Sandstein 20:42, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
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Validuz
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Request concerning Validuz[edit]
Discussion concerning Validuz[edit]Statement by Validuz[edit]I corrected and continue to correct blatant POV errors in the opening statement of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_Jewish_control_of_the_media where the term "antisemitic canard" was used as opinion, but stated as a fact. It's a blatant disregard for the most basic neutrality of information. Neutrality is one the "five pillars" of Wikipedia, yes? Besides that, I wasn't aware of the "one revert per day" rule until be notified on my talk page, but I don't know why/how that applies to someone intentionally inserting their opinion into an article and me correcting it. Why is the default/standard for the opening statement contain a personal opinion in the first place? It's so obviously biased/skewed. Validuz (talk) 00:26, 27 February 2011 (UTC) Comments by others about the request concerning Validuz[edit]
Result concerning Validuz[edit]
This is a clear breach of 1RR. In fact there have been multiple reverts over the same text over the past 24 and 48 hours despite warnings and information about 1RR. Just so you know, Validuz, there is absolutely no dispensation in these rules for NPOV, however justified you feel about it. As a result, I will be blocking Validuz for 24 hours, and also giving you the formal warning about Israel-Palestine sanctions. I see that you are a new editor here. Please take this time to look very carefully our policies about dispute resolution, particularly in controversial areas such as this. --Slp1 (talk) 00:41, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
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Shrike
[edit]| Both Shrike (talk · contribs) and Passionless (talk · contribs) placed under various restrictions. T. Canens (talk) 00:33, 21 February 2011 (UTC) |
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Request concerning Shrike[edit]
Discussion concerning Shrike[edit]Statement by Shrike[edit]First of all the claims of the User:Passionless are not true there was no edit warring between me and user:Usama707 becouse I accepted his last version.As time passed by various anonymous users deleted the information so I reverted the vandalism then User:Passionless came and reverted me back to the vandal version.[31] deleting all the information and against the consensus that we reached with user:Usama707. The diff that he claims that he proposed as a "compromise" wasn't proposed in talk in any way and there was no discussion about it.Also I tried to incorporate all the sources thatuser:Passionless brought as could be seen in the last version of the article.The claims about that user:Banu hoshech is my sock puppet was based on one edits that he reverted user:Passionless disruptive edits, there were other users that did the same for example [32].It only natural that Israeli(I am not sure if it is) will revert from POV version to more NPOV version on this matter and like I said before he was not the only one The deletion of material in United Nations Human Rights Council was done after another user [33] deleted part of the subsection so I thought the best alternative would be deletion of the whole subsection and just redirect to the main article. About the canvassing I was not familiar with the rule and I wasn't aware of it as it was pointed I just wanted to bring other people to the article I understand now it was mistake the way I did it. The user:Passionless was too warned by ARBPIA [34] for his edit warring [35] The User:Passionless was engaged in edit warring in the same article.[36],[37],[38] and many more as could be seen from the history of the article. I am asking that if the request is accepted it will be case against User:Passionless too as he broke ARBPIA guidelines.If not I will file separate case latter.--Shrike (talk) 12:00, 19 February 2011 (UTC) Comments by others about the request concerning Shrike[edit]Please note I never abused WP:Rollback- each time I used it I was undoing multiple edits and I did leave a message in the talk page each time too. This is in following the guideline- "To revert widespread edits (by a misguided editor or malfunctioning bot) which are judged to be unhelpful to the encyclopedia, provided that an explanation is supplied in an appropriate location, such as at the relevant talk page". Passionless -Talk 01:05, 20 February 2011 (UTC) Also, what is gaming the topic area? The diffs listed show where I had broken 1RR, than self reverted a minute later, than later reinstated my explained edits. And can someone please tell me what sanctions are against me so I can edit again? Passionless -Talk 06:37, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
User:Passionless have broken sanctions against him[40] and created new I/P article [41] the article should be deleted.Also he tried to circumvent the ban and asked another user to write article for him [42].--Shrike (talk) 15:14, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
Result concerning Shrike[edit]
This request primarily concerns long-term edit warring on the Refaat Al-Gammal (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) article. To somewhat simplify consideration of the matter, I'm considering only edits made in 2011, except to the extent that older edits are considered when needed for contextual purposes and in determination of sanctions. There appear to have been a series of reverts made by Shrike (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and Passionless (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log):
A sockpuppet investigation concludes that Banu hoshech (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) is a sockpuppet of Shrike (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) based on behavioral evidence, which was not contradicted by technical evidence. Having reviewed the matter, I concur that it is more likely than not that Banu hoshech is either a sockpuppet of Shrike, or someone acting in concert with Shrike. I conclude that both parties have engaged in sanctionable misconduct.
In addition, Shrike (talk · contribs) has also engaged in edit warring on the United Nations Human Rights Council article ([57][58][59]) and has a history of edit warring, dating to at the latest 2007, in this topic area (e.g.,[60][61][62]). Accordingly, unless another uninvolved administrator objects, I intend to impose the following sanctions per WP:ARBPIA#Discretionary sanctions:
T. Canens (talk) 00:27, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
Closing this. Per AGK's agreement above, and under the authority of WP:ARBPIA#Discretionary sanctions:
These sanctions replaces the three-month topic bans imposed by AGK; the one-week blocks imposed by AGK remains in effect. T. Canens (talk) 00:15, 21 February 2011 (UTC) |
B
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Request concerning B[edit]
Discussion concerning B[edit]Statement by B[edit]This is tiring. I don't get involved with or care about the Israel-related stuff. I saw this edit of apparent POV pushing on my watchlist. The user who made it had a whopping six edits and gave this edit summary, "Factually amended the opening to truthfully explain that East Jerusalem is occupied Palestinian territory". When anyone factually amends an article to truthfully do something, they are usually doing the opposite. I reverted the edit with the edit summary "not appropriate". After it was revealed that Largeother was a banned user, I removed the tendentious content he had added [68]. Passionless's complaint is that I did not go even further and readd the POV pushing. To be clear, my removal of the banned user's additions did NOT remove the disputed content - I simply declined to readd it. Removing edits of banned users is not a suicide compact to put bad content back in articles. The fact that nobody else has seen fit to add it in the intervening day and a half says to me that my choice not to re-add the content was probably a good one. --B (talk) 21:32, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
Comments by others about the request concerning B[edit]@B, if you had simply reverted the banned users edits, you would have gone back to the last version by Seb az86556, which did include the fact that east jerusalem is in Palestine. @NW, how does including the fact that East Jerusalem is in occupied Palestine go against NPOV or common sense, even if it did, 1RR can not just be broken because an editor thinks something goes against NPOV. Passionless -Talk 21:53, 1 March 2011 (UTC) @Ed Johnson, I saw/see no edit which would make Alaithiran's first edit a revert, though I guess it probably did match one of the thousands of edits to the page at one point, plus I was only trying to de-BITE the new editor with my comment on his talk page. "Editors who reinstate edits made by a banned editor take complete responsibility for the content." per WP:BAN, seems pretty straight forward, both reverts of the fact that EJ is in Palestine are B's responsibility, and he should not have reverted the same material twice within 4hours, the second revert should have only gone back to the last acceptable version. Passionless -Talk 04:42, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
Result concerning B[edit]
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Alinor
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Request concerning Alinor[edit]
Clarifying:
Discussion concerning Alinor[edit]Statement by Alinor[edit]First, to make it clear, I haven't made any split/content-move of the Kosovo article. My edit there is [82] - few changes to the navigation templates on top. Following my edits the Kosovo article text (including lead, infoboxes, etc.) remains unchanged and still has its status quo topic "APKiM+RoK", that doesn't make any sense - and that I have proposed multiple times to change to something meaningful. So, I haven't changed anything in the Kosovo status quo topic or text. I'm not an editor involved in the Kosovo or Serbia articles, but as a passer by some time ago I found something strange at Kosovo article and I asked at the talk page: Talk:Kosovo/Archive_26#Autonomous_Province_of_Kosovo_and_Metohija_-like_redirects. At first, by looking at the article, I (as a passer by reader) thought that it's topic is RoK (Republic of Kosovo), but there was a navigation note on top about APKiM redirecting there and I asked why (APKiM/Serbia province and RoK/independent state are the competing political entities that claim the territory of Kosovo (region), They should be mentioned in each others article - as the competing side in the dispute, but I couldn't imagine any reason for these two to redirect to each other.) The answer I got was - no, there is no mistake, the article topic is about both APKiM and RoK. Then I made a proposal to arrange RoK content at Republic of Kosovo, APKiM content at Autonomous Province of Kosovo and Metohija (1990–), Kosovo region content at Kosovo. But because of the Serbia POV vs. Kosovar POV there were editors opposed - because each sides hopes somehow to outmaneuver the other side and to get the Kosovo article name for itself. At the time of my initial involvement the Kosovar POV had the upper hand and was managing and enforcing a pseudo-consensus/compromise (citing a less than a day long discussion where only they participated) to merge the multiple infoboxes into one infobox with heading "Republic of Kosovo", but showing map of Kosovo-as-part-of-Serbia. They also tried to remove APKiM redirects. Eventually, the article was restored to a more balanced state (still in Kosovar POV favour), but in all discussions it is obvious that the editors opposing content arrangement to properly named articles with clear topics are doing this with the hope to get Kosovo topic changed to their preferred one (but they never say that openly - they aways say "I like status quo, no consensus for change" - without real explanation why do they like a non-sensible mixed topic of APKiM+RoK). In addition, IMHO, constant edit-warring (and trying to force the other side topic out - step by step) and discussions about "who gets the Kosovo article name" prevented real progress with the actual content of the article - and I identified a serious gaps there. Nobody of the "who gets the name" people cared about that. IMHO the best solution is Kosovo to be a redirect - to Kosovo (region) (NPOV), Kosovo (disambiguation) (NPOV) or even Republic of Kosovo (if Kosovar POV camp convinces others about their COMMONNAME claim) - but the issue of "who gets the article name" to be decoupled from editing the actual content. Anyway, the status quo APKiM+RoK topic doesn't comply with their COMMONNAME claim either - but they support the status quo vigorously. Looking at past edits, IMHO this is because they hope to get rid of APKiM elements step by step (but nobody supported option6 in the RFC: "change topic to RoK" - strange, if they claim that this is what COMMONNAME shows. I think a NPOV redirect is better solution). We've been trough a RFC presenting all 7 options (previous discussion were about "status quo vs. particular-split" - this one presented all possible options for topic change). I know Wikipedia is not a democracy/polling, but the status quo camp is obviously in minority and most people supported one of the two NPOV redirects plus establishment of RoK and Kosovo region articles. What I did was to establish the articles Republic of Kosovo and Kosovo (region) (and related redirects) - both have clear, sensible topics about notable subjects - see Talk:Republic of Kosovo#Notability of the Republic of Kosovo and Talk:Kosovo (region)#Notability of Kosovo as a region. The case of Republic of Kosovo is very telling - this is an independent state recognized by over 70 countries, but it doesn't have an article in Wikipedia about it. All other states, even those with limited recognition, like RoK, that are in dispute with another state - all have their own articles, where the topic is the independent unrecognized/partially recognized state. Only RoK didn't have such. Anyway, I invited anybody that questions RoK notability or Kosovo region notability to do this on their talk pages. There are users supporting the creation of these two articles. The opposing opinion is not about their notability, but some "no consensus for Kosovo article split" comment. But there is no change to Kosovo article made - it remains with its topic of APKiM+RoK, nobody has made changes to that or to its text - if the editors at Talk:Kosovo think APKiM+RoK is a notable and sensible topic - then it will remain, as it is in its status quo. This doesn't make RoK less notable. And APKiM is represented in two articles - its own article and the APKiM+RoK article (Kosovo). RoK should also have its own article, like APKiM and all states. And I haven't seen any objection to RoK notability as a subject so far. ZjarriRrethues below points to the only block on my account so far. This block is for 1RR violation at Kosovo - because I thought that restoring the consensus version is not a revert and then made additional revert after an edit-warring/POV user pushed for a non-consensus version. As you can see in the article - the edit I got blocked for is valid and still remains on the page. So, my edit is correct and still stands, but I got "burned", because of the constant edit-warring and POV pushing by some at Kosovo. I don't think I have made any disruptive edits and I try to refrain from editing Kosovo/probation articles. Alinor (talk) 07:20, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
Comments by others about the request concerning Alinor[edit]BorisG[edit]It is unclear to me as an uninvolved editor how the diffs presented violate the ArbCom ruling. - BorisG (talk) 16:33, 26 February 2011 (UTC) WhiteWriter[edit]This is not violation of ARBKOS, as BorisG already stated. Alinor is fantastic user who edited the sensitive subject with great care and respect, while listening the others and always staying cool headed and peaceful. Also, Alinor edits are following great discussion and majority agreement as "Option No 5". And he didn't eves still implemented that what we agreed. This unfounded request should be disbanded urgently. --WhiteWriter speaks 17:13, 26 February 2011 (UTC) ZjarriRrethues[edit]Alinor has been trying for months to get a consensus and every time the result of the discussion wasn't the one he wanted it to be(article split), he restarted the same discussion. He was eventually blocked for violating 1RR and at that time he said to the blocking admin I'll give you time until the blocking period ends - and if the account is not unblocked in advance I will not forgive you this hostile act.. After the block he continued starting new discussions, but this time didn't even say that his discussion was regarding the split of the article and when the consensus again wasn't the one expected he started making similar changes. Btw I didn't block him, since I'm not an admin.--— ZjarriRrethues — talk 21:14, 26 February 2011 (UTC) Fut.Perf.[edit]Alinor is now blatantly edit-warring, clearly breaking the 1R/week rule and scraping just along 1R/day for several consecutive days, despite admin warnings that the main Kosovo article restrictions also apply to these fork pages ([83]). They have reverted their copy-and-paste fork at Kosovo (region) three times on 26 Feb, 27 Feb, 28 Feb, and that at Republic of Kosovo once on 26 Feb. Moreover, their talk page conduct is showing signs of WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT, engaging in multiple repetitive assertions that their actions were "not POV forks", that the three separate pages are necessary because all are "notable", or that the current topic of Kosovo is "APKiM+RoK mixed issues" (whatever that means), without reasonably engaging other contributors' arguments. Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:36, 28 February 2011 (UTC) Night w[edit]On Kosovo (region), in the last 3 days, there have been 3 reverts of 3 different editors. The last one violated 1RR rule, since the previous revert was less than 24 hours prior. I'm actually confused as to where there was a consensus for such major forking of content. He's split Kosovo into Republic of Kosovo and Kosovo (region), but kept the main Kosovo article, which apparently deals with the Republic of Kosovo and the Serbian province together. This makes Kosovo (region), describing a "disputed territory", seem like a rehash of Kosovo, but maybe that's just my reading... Nightw 13:55, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
Eliko[edit]Since I'm uninvolved in the articles in question, I afford to intervene. User:Alinor should be forgiven, due to the following 3 reasons:
Eliko (talk) 17:45, 28 February 2011 (UTC) Result concerning Alinor[edit]
Please fix the link to the specific sanction or remedy that is believed to be violated. Sandstein 20:44, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
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Arbitration enforcement action appeal by Alinor
[edit]| Alinor's appeal of his three-month topic ban from Kosovo articles is declined. EdJohnston (talk) 01:16, 7 March 2011 (UTC) |
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Procedural notes: The rules governing arbitration enforcement appeals are found in this 2010 ArbCom motion. According to that motion, a "clear, substantial, and active consensus of uninvolved editors" is required to overturn an arbitration enforcement action.
Statement by Alinor[edit]I'm not sure if this is the correct procedure, so excuse me if this is not the proper place for it.
Statement by Sandstein[edit]This appeal does not contest the article ban (which does not extend to talk pages), but only its listing at Wikipedia:ARBKOS#Modified. It should be declined because the decision expressly provides: "Log any block, ban or extension under any remedy in this decision here." In addition, the appeal is in the wrong venue, because the decision does not allow appeals to this board. Any appeal should therefore be directed to the Arbitration Committee. Sandstein 16:20, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
Statement by (involved editor 1)[edit]Statement by (involved editor 2)[edit]Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by Alinor[edit]Result of the appeal by Alinor[edit]
I agree with Sandstein that any ban issued has to be logged. There is nothing for us to do here, so the appeal should be declined. EdJohnston (talk) 16:26, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
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Jiujitsuguy
[edit]| Topic-banned for six months. Sandstein 13:05, 4 March 2011 (UTC) |
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Request concerning Jiujitsuguy[edit]
Sanction or remedy that this user violated : Discretionary sanctions Violation of npov.
Jijutsuguys long term behavior of pov pushing, violation of npov, is a long term problem and was brought up in a previous enforcement request where he added to articles that the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights and East Jerusalem "were Israel": [86] Admin Gatoclass replys to the evidence brought forward about Jijutsuguys non neutral pov edits/tendentious editing: [87], another admin HJ Mitchell replys to Gatoclass comment:[88] and [89] Jijutsuguy was topic banned 3 months from the Arab -Israeli conflict articles:[90] His topic ban was then reduced to two months and lifted on 2 February: [91] Unfortunately, the very same of Jijutsuguys behavior of non neutral pov pushing/tendentious editing, removing neutral worldview and replacing them with views of one country, inserting of falsehoods into articles and presenting them as facts, and other disruptive behavior, has continued after his latest topic ban was lifted prematurely:
Reply to Slp1, the source says on p 187 "Yet in a statement not quoted by Oren, head of Israeli military intelligence General Aharon Yariv bluntly acknowledged shortly before the June war that Syria backed these raids "because we are bent upon establishing ... certain facts along the border" - i.e., in retaliation for Israel land grab in the DZ", and p 132-133: "Yet, the basic motive behind Syrian support of the Palestinian guerrillas seems to have been rather more prosaic - the Israeli incursions in the DMZs.". This supports the sentence why Syria supported the attacks. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 15:56, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
Topic ban.
Discussion concerning Jijutsuguy[edit]Statement by Jijutsuguy[edit]I am currently a bit busy in RL but will respond shortly. Thank you.--Jiujitsuguy (talk) 00:04, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
I will address each and every issue point by point but before I do so, what I find astounding is that SD would stalk me so closely as to watch each and every edit I made during the period of his topic ban and not two hrs after his ban is prematurely lifted, he files an AE against me. Some may feel that there is nothing inherently wrong in doing so but let me point to HJ Mitchell’s wording when lifting SD’s ban I've lifted your topic ban and amended WP:ARBPIA to reflect this. In lieu of the remaining month on your topic ban consider this a caution to edit within the letter and the spirit of ARBPIA and all applicable policies and guidelines. Consider it a chance to prove that the topic ban was unnecessary. I suggest that at the very least, this AE violates the spirit of the reprieve if not the letter. Let me also point out that, as indicated by tool server, SD has made more edits to AE than nearly any other editor, nearly 400 posts[136]. This is an astonishing figure when compared to others in the topic area. The instant AE, coming not 2 hrs after the lifting of the ban coupled with the frequency with which this particular editor appears on these boards, both as a respondent and a complainant, evidences a battleground mentality in the extreme.
As for my own actions, I consider myself a content editor who complies with WP policy concerning WP:RS. I’ve made extensive use of article talk pages and attempted to iron out differences at IPCOLL. There is not one example in SDs complaint evidencing edit warring, violation of 1r, gaming or lack of usage of talk pages. I try to edit from an NPOV perspective but I am human and accordingly, I am prone to making mistakes. However, when I do make mistakes I acknowledge them and self revert as will be amply demonstrated below. Unfortunately, the same can not be said for my colleague, SD.
Now let us examine SupremeD’s edits just coming off the topic ban. He makes 8 edits to the Golan Heights in rapid succession including the reversion of these two which include the views of United States Presidents[160][161] and then, like a coiled spring, he jumps in immediately with an AE against me. This coupled with his propensity to frequently appear on these boards, either as a respondent or complainant and the fact that he’s made nearly 400 posts to AE, evidence battleground mentality. I think I have explained my position clearly enough. If I inadvertently left anything out or overlooked something, please inform me of same and I will gladly offer explanation and include whatever diffs are necessary. Thank you.--Jiujitsuguy (talk) 07:11, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
Additional comments by Jujutsuguy (moved from Results section)[edit]
Comments by others about the request concerning Jijutsuguy[edit]I think this request is too long. I won't read it before it is made concise. - BorisG (talk) 18:02, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
JJG, could you please explain to me this edit. It seems to me that this edit was a deliberate attempt to inserting false/fringe information for the purpose of promoting a point of view. Passionless -Talk 16:15, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
All problems that give rise to a topic ban originate from one basic shortcoming -- the inability to edit collaboratively with fellow editors. AE report-filing is not something that collaborative editors typically undertake, so when editor files and AE report within a few edits of being released from a topic ban that editor has apparently learned little from being placed on the topic ban.--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 04:41, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
Result concerning Jijutsuguy[edit]
This request may be closed if it is not amended to cite the specific sanction or remedy believed to be violated. Sandstein 20:42, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
I'll limit my comment to Sandstein's question about possible misrepresentations of the text in the Feb 18th edit[165] I've checked the source, Finkelstein's "Image and Reality of the Israel-Palestine Conflict". As a general comment, and as the title suggests, the book is an examination of the diverse narratives put forward by various parties, and thus great care needs to be used not to use what is being explicitly pointed out as a particular view of the events. There were some issues with inappropriate use of this sort, as well as some problems with NPOV in the text modified by Jiujitsuguy. However, as far as I can see, there was no "unsourced original research" in the material removed/changed by Jiujitsuguy as stated in his edit summary.
I'll leave other administrators to evaluate Jiujitsuguy's edit, but in my view, it is problematic as on several occasions unverifiable material was inserted, apparently to promote particular view.--Slp1 (talk) 15:41, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
For the reasons explained above – misrepresentation of sources and persistent ideological POV-pushing across many articles, as also explained below, in application and enforcement of WP:ARBPIA#Discretionary sanctions, Jiujitsuguy (talk · contribs) is topic-banned (per WP:TBAN) from the Arab-Israeli conflict for six months. Sandstein 13:00, 4 March 2011 (UTC) |
Supreme Deliciousness
[edit]| SD is counselled to ensure his presence in the Israel-Palestine topic area is beneficial. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:15, 5 March 2011 (UTC) |
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Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Supreme Deliciousness[edit]
Editor was topic banned for two months based on this AE request concerning gaming and reverting. It was lifted after only 1 month.[168] Problematic behavior began immediately.
Resumption of topic ban
Comments by Cptnono[edit]
Caution all you want, Sandstein. If you do not see a problem with coming off a ban early just to start the same behavior that caused the ban in the first place then you are simply wrong. Sandstein usually stays pretty level headed so I don't want to be a jerk about it but I for one disagree with you completely. If it was only those two edits it would not be worthy of notice but months of this behavior is. But I guess we will see. I got a wikibet on it that he will be back here (deservedly) within 6 months and banned again. I would love it if he proved me wrong but so far he has only proved me right. I will try not to say "I told you so" if it happens.Cptnono (talk) 01:37, 27 February 2011 (UTC) But feel free to close this out. The unbanning admin has expressed the concerns perfectly and maybe that will be enough of a reminder. (User talk:HJ Mitchell#Supreme Deliciousness). Cptnono (talk) 01:55, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
Re: SD YOU MEAN THE CENTRALIZED DISCUSSION I STARTED? THAT ONE THAT WAS STARTED TO STOP YOUR EDIT WARRING? THE ONE THAT NO ONE ELSE WOULD START? THE ONE THAT CAME TO AT LEAST SOME SORT OF CONSENSUS? THE ONE THAT CAME TO A CONCLUSION THAT WAS FAVORABLE TO YOUR VIEWPOINT? Yeah, I said we should explore alternative wording instead of axing it completely when JJG requested a change. Note that I said multiple times that you were handling yourself well and showing the proper level of restraint during that process. Did you see the last AE you were involved in closed?(where I was in favor of a mentor instead of a ban when you abused multiple accounts) And the reason editors file enforcement requests against you is because you are treating the topic area like a game/nationalistic sopabox. I got news for you: Some people are perfectly happy calling locations Israel considers Israel even if others disagree. Tertiary sources don't even go as far as you do. Wikipedia is a tertiary source and not your soapbox. SO fine, not "everyone" but instead the multiple editors calling for your ban repeatedly since you refuse to abide by NPOV. And that other editor is clearly a malicious account so no comment is needed besides my own words: "There is not consensus for the map you chose (if anything it is slightly against you but that could be my POV) It is edit warring anyways since the next step was not to revert but seek another step i(sic) dispute resolution." Stop manipulating Wikipedia and stop manipulating AE. You are here for one reason and one reason only and it is clear. If the admins do not see it now they will see it eventually. I ask you to not paint others as the jerk when you are the one who is editing against our standards. Stop deflecting and fess up to your mistakes. Come on, just once. You cannot honestly say that you have not made mistakes in this topic area. I do not believe you can honestly say you are not a POV pusher so go ahead and prove me wrong. It is obvious you are not going to be banned (even though it is clear that you should be). Cptnono (talk) 10:12, 1 March 2011 (UTC) Re: SDAnd you still continue to deflect. Enough said. Your topic ban was lifted early and you truly did make the admin look like an idiot. It is a shame since some (even me to a lesser extent but especially the admin who lifted your ban) have tried to accept you. You want nothing but to make a point and that is not why we are here as editors.Cptnono (talk) 10:44, 1 March 2011 (UTC) Re: SD No, you are a POV pusher. JJG has a massive bias but his POV pushing (he has to admit there is some even if it is not malicious) is nothing compared to yours. You cannot even let Hebrew text go in front of Arabic text. You bicker over a map being used when no map or a map of the city would do just as well. You bicker for removing the Israeli flag when no flag is needed per the manual of style. You are why the war article should be demoted from GA and your absence is why falafel was raised to GA. You are here to say that Syrian territory is x and Israel is bad. You know why I am so adamant in this topic area? Because of editors like you and Nableezy. There needs to be a counter to editors like you and sockpuppets like Sol (potentially Asam). I do not want to say the Golan Heights are without any doubt part of Israel. I just want to say "it is the way it is, here are some sources to look into".Cptnono (talk) 10:53, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
And by the way AGK: After you address why you have been so adamantly against this request as asked above (seriously, you need explanation on the decision now? How often have you asked for that?) and answered if you are upset that I did not head your warning to be ore civil, I would be happy to provide you summaries of emails that have gone back and forth during this conversation with another editor and myself if he was to give approval (I won't give his name, a summary of his comments, or any quotes without it). It shows a lack of tag teaming if anything since it was basically two guys BSing after the AE came up. I'll even show you what I said: "LOL. AGF or contrary bullshit. All I know is I am going to wake up with a hangover tomorrow and regret pouting so much. Screw it, it is how I see it. Anyways, thanks for the email and I hope your day goes fantastic! :)" Is that tag teaming? The amount of coordination between me and other editors on the "pro-Israeli" side is pretty much nonexistent besides random venting. The specter of tag teaming vs the reality of POV pushing. Go ahead and worry about tag teaming but we have absolute proof that SD is a POV pusher (which this AE was not even about until he started pointing blame everywhere else) while any tag teaming is based on us showing up on the same pages. Do you blame us? We keep the same stuff watch listed and it is not possible to be in the topic area without wanting to comment on an AE about SDs nationalism. Edit in the topic area for a week and you will see it.Cptnono (talk) 11:14, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
Discussion concerning Supreme Deliciousness[edit]Statement by Supreme Deliciousness[edit]I made a post at the Golan heights talkpage about my edit [174]. Two users had recently changed the position of the placement, putting the Hebrew translation before the Arabic in a place internationally recognized as in Syria, neither had explained this change.[175][176]. So I reverted this and explained the change, Syria's official language is Arabic. The enforcement I filed above against user Jiujitsuguy is a 100% legitimate enforcement request against a user who is constantly violating npov and his other disruptive behavior. There is no "battlefield behavior" about opening a legitimate enforcement request. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 21:03, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
AGK, this is seriously unbelievable that you can call those four edits that I made "against Israel" , and say that I am "non neutral" based on them. I explained every single one of those edits at the talkpage [180]. One of them is me adding a section for Quneitra, the second is me creating separate sections for Syrian and Israeli settlements. Third is me removing an unsourced map that had been unsoruced for a very long time and tagged for a very long time, fourth is me adding one sentence summary of a quote that was never agreed to be removed. How exactly are they "against" anything? or "non neutral"? and when I explained them in detail, they were reverted without addressing any of the issues I brought up:[181] The Golan heights is internationally recognized as part of Syria: Per npov undue weight, we should represent the worldview. "The international community maintains that the Israeli decision to impose its laws, jurisdiction and administration in the occupied Syrian Golan is null and void and without international legal effect" p 23 Or this GA vote about "occupied Syrian Golan", 161-1 [182] "the United States considers the Golan Heights to be occupied territory subject to negotiation and Israeli withdrawal" p. 8. EU: [183]. Arab League:[184] Amnesty International: [185] I just brought up tons of evidence here]: about JJG going against the entire world view and his other disruptive behavior, and you didn't say one single word or bring up one single diff about his pov pushing.
Please explain why you haven't said one single word about this and please show me one single edit I have made that I am not editing in a neutral manner.? --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 21:53, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
I have been sanctioned for the same types of comments I made about Arab food, some of the comments are more then 1,5 years old before I received the ARBPIA notification, and I have not said those types of things again after the enforcement:[209]. And just to be clear, they were not about calling "members of the Jewish faith", "thieves", it was about appropriation of Arab cuisine. JJG once again brought up those types of comments at PhilKnights talk, and he didn't consider them actionable, Phil not knowing that I was already sanctioned. I then told him that I was already sanctioned for those types of comments before: [210]. They were immature comments I made, but I have paid for what I said, and it was a long time ago and I have not said those types of things again. Yet some people keep on bringing them up over and over again. Previously I have also repeatedly responded at several enforcements to these same things as JJG have once again brought up now: [211][212][213][214][215][216][217][218][219] Its hard finding all these old diffs, if somethings missing, ask. And I explained in great detail at the talkpage why I removed the views of two US presidents from the article. Please see here:[220]--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 10:41, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
Re:JGG: :Yes all those diffs of me removing a country from places in East Jerusalem are in accordance with the entire international community view who object to Israels annexation of East Jerusalem. This has been discussed before where I participated: [223]. The same edit has been reverted several times by several editors. Look at the history of the articles: [224][225][226][227] etc. The edit is clearly pov, that the majority object to. This edit as Western wall [228], I am removing a pov map violating the views of the entire international community, the map that I am replacing it with is supported at the talkpage [229] and not objected to by any side of the dispute at the talkpage and will now stop edit warring. And the long discussions there as I have participated in will also come to an end. You have already brought up the Hebrew/Arabic issue before here, Sandstein already told you "The Arabic edit, on its own, does not demonstrate disruption.", why are you posting it again? I have explained this several times before, I made a post at the Golan heights talkpage about my edit [230]. Two users had recently changed the position of the placement, putting the Hebrew translation before the Arabic in a place internationally recognized as in Syria, neither had explained this change.[231][232]. So I reverted this and explained the change, Syria's official language is Arabic. Its interesting that you are bringing up me changing back the position of the translation while discussing it at the talkpage, while you have no problem with yourself changing it while not discussing it. My comment to Ani Medjool is from 2009 and was brought up at an enforcement where I was topic banned:[233] and I have explained this before at the enforcement. I don't believe it is right that JJG keeps on posting this all over the place repeatedly and wanting me sanctioned for the same things over and over again, for example: JJG have previously said some very disturbing things about users at Wikipedia and other disturbing things and attacks that got him indefinitely blocked at one point, I can not link to it as that would be outing, but I don't believe he should be sanctioned several times for this same thing that he said.--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 17:58, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
Re: Cptnono Thats cherry picking part of the conversation, I told HJ I made a mistake by filing it right after. I shouldn't have done that. You said: "Are the reports against him because everyone else is wrong" Well who are these "everyone else"? How do they edit articles? Are they all editing articles according to a world view? or are they all editing articles according to the views of one country? Perfect example can recently be seen at Western Wall: Source was provided at talkpage showing the international view that East Jerusalem is part of the Palestinian territories [243]. Wikipedia policy npov say we should follow the majority view, JJG changes the map[244] based on guide sources: [245] that obviously is not of the same standard or authoritative as the UN sources representing the international community. Cptnono does not say one single word to JJG about this clearly npov violation. User:Assad reverts back to consensus:[246]. Cptnono immediately objects to the worldview edit: [247] and posts at his talkpage: [248]. User Nsaum75 who also showed up to this enforcement who has filed two previous enforcements against me, he also has has described East Jerusalem as part of Israel:[249]. Chesdovi has also described places in East Jerusalem and West bank as part of Israel:[250][251]. Cptnono, Nsaum75 and JJG all supporting not highlighting in the location map the two countries that Mount Hermon is internationally recognized as being located in, for the sake of the believes of one country that its also located in a "third" country:[252][253]. Another example is Nsaum75 filing an entire enforcement based on me removing the "Islamic terrorism" category from Hezbollah [254], Nsaum75 has never edited that article or its talkpage, after JJGs topic ban was lifted, JJG shows up there and ads the same category,[255] and he also never touched that article or its talkpage before. Mbz1 and Cptnono both has supported JJG when he wanted to change the illegality settlement sentence:[256][257], a sentence that I and several other believe is inaccurate and not following the sources. This is only a few examples, I'm sure I can bring many more. So this is the "everyone else" --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 09:55, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
Re Nsaum75, going by what you said you have about 20 times as much reason to go to all articles about places in Israel and remove that they are in Israel, because there are about 20 countries who say the area is Palestine, while there is only one country who say Golan Heights is Israel, you have been shown WP policy npov and that we should go by the international view. The majority of the mountain including the summit is located elsewhere in Syria and in Lebanon, so your suggestion doesn't make any sense. I brought this up at the talkpage and you did not reply. You want to exclude the majority of Syria and Lebanon where the majority of the mountain is located and only highlight a small part of the mountain that is occupied by Israel. That is non-factual only to appease pov pushing. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 16:07, 1 March 2011 (UTC) Re: NuclearWarfare: Can you please explain how "fault lies with both of them"? There is no justification for saying this. Collective punishment is not fair. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 15:30, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
Re:Enigmaman: I did not return to make the battleground edits I made before. I was blocked for the many reverts I did at Hezbollah. I have acknowledged that me filing the enforcement right after the topic ban was wrong, but it was a legitimate enforcement as stated by Sandstein. There has not been any battleground edits at any articles after my return. Once again I'm sorry for filing the enforcement right after the topic ban ended, it was inappropriate. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 16:41, 2 March 2011 (UTC) Re:No More Mr Nice Guy: I spent my topic ban doing many things, the admin said he was going to lift it in advance from the beginning, in the end I started to prepare the enforcement, I have acknowledged that it was wrong of me to do that and that it was inappropriate. I wanted it lifted so I can edit the articles I want to edit, not to file an enforcement. Bring the diffs that you refer to and I will reply. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 19:56, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
Re:Arthur Rubin, you said: "It's clear that whatever he's doing now is a continuation of what he was sanctioned for before", what is it that I am doing now that is a continuation of what I was sanctioned for before? --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 22:05, 3 March 2011 (UTC) Re: Georgewilliamherbert, this is a reply to this comment by JJG:[259] you can see what Jiujitsuguy did during my "calm" "one-month absence" here:[260] --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 22:13, 3 March 2011 (UTC) Comments by others about the request concerning Supreme Deliciousness[edit]
A number of articles mentioned above (including the Golan Heights article) have been battlefields with nationalist "nit-picking", "prodding" and claims of "pov pushing" over things like translation order or where photos were taken. If you look at the history of them during SD's topic ban, however, they have been stable and this AE enforcement board has been relatively quiet in regards to ARBPIA filings. During his ban the article on Falafel, which is under ARBPIA 1rr restrictions due in part to political editing that SD had a hand in, also reached GA status with the input of several editors and an admin, Malik Shabazz. I would ask that this be taken into consideration. -- nsaum75 !Dígame¡ 21:46, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
Comment by Jiujitsuguy[edit]In addition to what Chesdovi noted below, I have some things to say on this for obvious reasons. First, I note that, as indicated by tool server, SD has made more edits to AE than nearly any other editor, over 400 posts and counting.[267]. This is an astonishing figure when compared to others in the topic area. I will not comment directly on the AE that SD filed against me but I will comment on some of the edits he’s made after receiving the Wikipedian equivalent of parole from his Topic Ban. Less than 2 hours later, he began making edits to the Golan Heights and subsequently made a series of edits in rapid succession including these two blanket reversions of the views of United States Presidents and US foreign policy. [268][269] Also these problematic edits by SD have yet to be addressed. Reversion of sourced material without the use of edit summaries [270][271] [272] He has also engaged in an editing pattern that is dismissive of Jewish or Israeli viewpoints and often attempts to downgrade the Jewish nexus with Israel.
Supreme Deliciousness has on at least three (3) occasions used pejoratives to refer to members of the Jewish faith, describing them as “thieves.”[278][279][280] The last three diffs are older and are used here for demonstrative purposes to show that SD displays an extreme bias and an obsessive animus toward Israel and members of the Jewish faith. He has yet to offer a retraction for making those obscene comments despite being challenged and given opportunity to do so. This is clearly someone who should not be editing in the topic area.--Jiujitsuguy (talk) 09:01, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
Additional comment by Jiujitsuguy[edit]
Comment by Chesdovi[edit][283], [284], [285], [286], [287], [288]. Chesdovi (talk) 03:15, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
You left Gamla b/c it was balanced with ghanassids. We are talking about 1000 years earlier. You removed Israelite tribe and added Aramean tribe. Not a removal only. But an addition after removal to tip balance. Chesdovi (talk) 00:56, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
Everything here is about context. I challenge you to find one edit, of his many thousands, where SD describes or identifies any historian, other than the “Jewish” ones by their religion. In his thousands of edits, has he once described a historian as Muslim, Christian, Buddhist, Hindu, Baha’i or Zoroastrian? The answer is unequivocally, NO! Now for more context. During his topic ban, he spent his days trying to prove the fringe theory that Hitler was Jewish[303] and that Jews were involved in the slave trade[304]. He also opposed the removal of a section in the 9-11 twin tower attacks that discussed conspiracies including one that described Jews and Israelis as playing a key role in the attacks.[305] This is an editor who is using and abusing Wikipedia to subtly further a twisted agenda of maligning those of the Jewish faith and Israel. At first, he was overt about his twisted views as evidenced by his user page which, has since been permanently deleted. He previously edited under a different accounts and IPs and engaged in egregious conduct there as well. Now he claims “outing” when anyone broaches the subject. He cleverly learned how to manipulate Wikipedia’s rules to cover his own bad behavior. And of course there are the more recent diffs where he attempts to all but eviscerate the historical Jewish nexus to Israel. But back to Bernard Lewis and the matter at hand. SD’s sole purpose here was to influence the wikipedian reader that Bernard Lewis’ historical research and scholarship is tainted exclusively by one fact – that he was born of Jewish parents. Never mind is academic achievement and accolades. To SD, the only thing that he sees is “Jew,” and that speaks volumes about this editor.Jiujitsuguy (talk) 02:25, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
Additional comments by JJG[edit]Just a sample of some of the edits SD made barely coming off his topic ban
Now SD knows how contentious these edits are and how other users have strong feeling that are contrary. Never mind the fact that the edits were made just after the lifting of his ban, at a minimum he could have used the talk pages to discuss the edits and seek compromise. But with SD, there’s no compromise on the issue of Israel. He made it quite clear that he wants the Jewish nation wiped off the map as indicated by the now deleted version of his old user page. Coming off his topic ban, SD wasted no time in making numerous edits most of which consisted of removing the name of Israel, the map of Israel, or removing or repositioning Hebrew words so that they are beneath Arabic ones as he did here[325] One gets the impression that it literally causes SD pain when he sees Hebrew lettering or when he sees a map of Israel or just the mere word Israel. It sends him into convulsions. Let me also point out that he makes these edits while an AE is pending against him and his editing patterns are being scrutinized. Imagine what he would do if there was no pending AE. So if you hate Israel and want to see the Jewish state wiped off the map, a sentiment SD expressed on a previous older version of his now deleted user page, then let SD continue editing and let him continue to poison Wikipedia with vitriol and hate and ban me.--Jiujitsuguy (talk) 17:19, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
George, I very much appreciate your input and have always respected your very sound judgment. I want you to take an honest look at the difference between me and SD. I have not made a single edit to any article whilst the AE is pending. I just don't feel that it's proper for me to make edits while a discussion about my behavior is underway. By contrast, my colleague, SD is on a tear making dozens of edits to the topic area, almost as if these were the last few minutes of his existence on Wikipedia. I think this speaks volumes about this editor. The topic area experienced an unusual level of calm during his one-month absence and not two hours after his reprieve, he threw everything into disarray. That's all I have to say.--Jiujitsuguy (talk) 21:40, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
Comment by BorisG[edit]Whatever way you look at it, filing an AE request based on extensive research and containing at least a number of borderline diffs (even if some have merit) hours after an early lifting of a topic ban demonstrates a SD's battleground approach par excellence. - BorisG (talk) 14:56, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
Comments by Gatoclass[edit]
AGK, what exactly is supposed to be the point of your comments below? AE is not a forum for determining who is "pro-Israel" or "pro-Syria". It's for assessing whether users are editing in accordance with policy or not. Nobody has yet produced a recent diff in this case, let alone a pattern of such, which clearly demonstrate a violation of core policies by SD; the other uninvolved admins have seen no breaches; and yet here you are after combing through a stack of diffs over several days still trying to decide whether or not he or another party has been "disruptive". I submit to you that if a breach of policy is that difficult to determine, it could not be actionable. I think the time has come for common sense to prevail and for someone to close this case. Gatoclass (talk) 11:11, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
NW, I am truly mystified by your suggestion. This is an utterly frivolous case brought by Cptnono against SD in yet another example of tit-for-tat casing. Cptnono provided exactly one diff to support his case. Since then, Juijitsuguy has dredged up a bunch of mostly ancient diffs that are clearly not actionable now. Recommending on such grounds that both users be sanctioned is simply rewarding mudslinging and WP:GAMING. If users are to be judged on the signal-to-noise ratio achieved in their cases rather than on the evidence presented, then no-one editing in a contentious topic area will be safe from sanction. Gatoclass (talk) 16:33, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
I think a distinction has to be made between having a POV and POV pushing. There is nothing inherently wrong with a user having a point of view and editing according to it; indeed, for anyone with an interest in a topic, it would be practically impossible for them not to do so. We cannot sanction users simply for having either a pro-Israel or pro-Arab bent and editing in accordance with their interpretation of the facts. If we did that, there would literally be no-one left to edit on the I-P pages at all. What is sanctionable is when an editor shows a consistent pattern, not merely of editing according to a particular bias, but of doing so in such a way as to clearly and consistently breach core policies. This would include misrepresenting sources, adding demonstrable falsehoods to articles, adding unsourced or poorly sourced material, placing undue emphasis on certain facts at the expense of others, and so on. As long as we stick to sanctioning concrete breaches of policy, we are on solid ground. Once we start moving away from that into trying to decide whether or not a user has a bias, we are missing the point because every user has a bias of some sort. In this particular case, I reiterate that I've yet to see any diffs which clearly demonstrate breaches of policy by SD. AGK's comments below support that view. That's why I've called this a frivolous case that doesn't warrant a sanction. When we sanction editors who are editing in accordance with policy merely because they have a demonstrable "bias", alongside those who clearly are not editing within policy, then we are ultimately only doing a disservice to the project. Gatoclass (talk) 04:39, 3 March 2011 (UTC) Comment by No More Mr Nice Guy[edit]This discussion is a bit hard to follow. Other than the obvious fact that SD spent his topic ban compiling a long list of perceived infractions by an editor he has a long history of disagreement with, then requested his topic ban be lifted early just so he can file an AE report, what else are admins looking at? I have seen SD repeatedly remove Hebrew names in articles, label people whose opinions are noted in articles as "Israeli/Jewish/Zionist", remove Israel related categories from articles, and other such battleground behavior. If an admin would like me to provide diffs for any of these, I could probably dig some up. Seems to me that the AE filing in itself shows that he just doesn't get it and his topic ban was lifted prematurely. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 19:48, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
Result concerning Supreme Deliciousness[edit]
The following is a list of conclusions I have formed in relation to this article. Based on them, I am convinced that there is some problem with this article, but I am unsure how to fairly or effectively remedy the matter. As well as evidenced contestations of my conclusions, I would welcome input on what kind of sanction is warranted here. My evaluation is based on the article history of Golan Heights from December 2010 until now.
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Emmanuelm
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Request concerning Emmanuelm[edit]
This edit removed cite-needed tags from uncited statements about Middle East history. The edit summary showed disregard of the basics of verification.
Discussion concerning Emmanuelm[edit]Statement by Emmanuelm[edit]The following covers only my interactions with User:Itsmejudith in only the article Israel, Palestine and the United Nations. I am being accused of so many crimes that I do not know where to start. Some of these accusations deserve a lengthy discussion, and indeed were already discussed at length in Talk:Israel, Palestine, and the United Nations. But I have to do it again here. Let's take them one by one:
Counter-accusations by Emmanuelm[edit]In the text above, I am responding to accusations as if Judith is innocent and I am guilty. Allow me to counter-accuse Judith. In this article, Judith repeatedly questions the reliability of sources and has deleted several sources and their corresponding text. I describe two such deletions above (Toameh and Phillips). Others include four sources on the treatment of Palestinian refugees in Lebanon (Feb 13) and one source (Jeff Jacoby) about Antisemitism at the UN (Dec 18). In sum, she deleted far more sources than she contributed to this article. To justify her deletions, she often brings up the need to rely on "scholarly" studies rather than op-eds. But she never defines what "scholarly" means. Should a report from the Refugee Studies Centre, Department of International Development, University of Oxford, be considered scholarly? I think so, but not Judith; she deleted that source. In the past, I brought up WP:NPOV on Achieving neutrality :Many times, I summarized the above for her as "Add, do not delete". Far from accepting this policy, she argues back, displaying her misunderstanding of the NPOV policy. For example, in a discussion about UN Watch on Jean Ziegler :
In sum, despite my numerous explanations, Judith continues to delete sources she does not like, sometimes repeatedly. In my opinion, to delete an opinion amounts to inserting bias. It is a violation of WP policy and is unacceptable. I have so far seen no evidence that Judith has ceased this behaviour; I consider this to be a serious and ongoing problem. It took me four hours to write all this. I only hope that something definitive will come out of this. Comment by Nomoskedasticity[edit]I am requesting immediate enforcement against Emannuelm for violation of 1RR: [345] and [346]. Since this editor has a previous block for exactly this type of violation, I assume no prior warning is necessary. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 22:16, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
@NW: I disagree that this is now resolved because of that ANI thread; Itsmejudith has raised a wide range of other issues that I think deserve attention -- not least because of the most recent pattern of editing by this editor. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 18:59, 2 March 2011 (UTC) Comments by others about the request concerning Emmanuelm[edit]Result concerning Emmanuelm[edit]
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BenJonson
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Request concerning BenJonson[edit]
Discussion concerning BenJonson[edit]
Result concerning BenJonson[edit]Since the diffs of misconduct provided above occurred prior to the notification of discretionary sanctions, I don't think that it is possible to impose a sanction on BenJonson at this time. Regardless, the diffs do constitute misconduct (ad hominem argument, battleground behaviour etc.) and, in the event that BenJonson is again at this noticeboard, should be re-considered. Had the notification been issued prior to the edits in question, I would have topic-banned BenJonson for 1-2 months. Additionally I am going to semi-protect the FAC page, although not as an arbitration enforcement action (i.e. any admin with a better solution or who thinks it unnecessary is welcome to alter the protection). CIreland (talk) 16:56, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
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Neilduffy112
[edit]| 1RR/week editing restriction on Troubles articles for three months. EdJohnston (talk) 01:51, 7 March 2011 (UTC) |
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Request concerning Neilduffy112[edit]
Discussion concerning Neilduffy112[edit]Statement by Neilduffy112[edit]I must firstly say sorry for this, it is the first time I have tried to edit on Wikipedia, and on this topic i will not inter fear any further. All i was trying to do was highlight the facts that in the page "martin mcgartland", that the word informer should not be used as it is fact that the subject was working for MI5, Special Branch and the PSNI (RUC) two years prior to him infiltrating the IRA, on orders from the mentioned. I have also looked at the discussion page since, and noticed that I am not the only one whom has tried and failed to have the page represent the truth. If I am to be blocked for trying to correct a mistake then so be it, and it will just show that the "democracy" we live in is failing. Comments by others about the request concerning Neilduffy112[edit]Perhaps a short block might be in order, but any extensive one will surely guarantee loss of a new editor on WP. Meanwhile, I would suggest a more polite introduction to WP would be well-advised. Giving a "Warning" at the same instant as a "Welcome" seems a tad overbearing at best. OF describes his position on the subject clearly in Also agent implies some sort of legitimacy, rather than a traitor who sold out for money. (O Fenian (talk) 18:05, 3 April 2009 (UTC)) Also NeilDuffy properly used the article talk page at [360] showing his willingness to follow WP procedures here. I note OF has made no reply to NeilDuffy's post. Slack is called for, and an admonishment to OF to be more "welcoming" than was evinced. I happen to feel, moreover, that calling the subject of the BLP a "traitor" may show an intrinsic POV on the part of an editor, while WP:BLP requires contentious claims to be exceedingly well sourced. Collect (talk) 11:45, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
I'm not sure what's wanted here in view of the change to the submission. If it doesn't merit a block it surely doesn't merit a topic ban. Neilduffy112 is self-evidently now aware of the restrictions which apply to editing Troubles-related articles so that a warning seems superfluous. What's left? Angus McLellan (Talk) 00:22, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
Result concerning Neilduffy112[edit]
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Well thank you very much.........lol........ It was a copyright infringement that was removed if you want to see permission for my removal then please send me your address and I will send it to you........--Neil Duffy (talk) 05:41, 7 March 2011 (UTC)