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Clarification request: Wikipedia:Arbitration enforcement log

Initiated by The Bushranger at 01:31, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Case or decision affected: Wikipedia:Arbitration enforcement log

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The Bushranger (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) (initiator)

Statement by The Bushranger

So I have a conundrum regarding the requirement to log arbitration enformcement actions, with regard to unregistered IP addresses now that temporary accounts are a thing. Per Wikipedia:Arbitration enforcement log, All sanctions and page restrictions, except page protections, must be logged by the administrator who applied the sanction or page restriction at Wikipedia:Arbitration enforcement log. Now that we have temporary accounts, WP:TAIV notes Publicizing an IP address gained through TAIV access is generally not allowed. I performed a rangeblock of an IPv6 /64 for GENSEX-related disruption; therefore, I need to log this. However that - necessarily - discloses the TAIV-access-provided IP address on this page. How does this circle get squared? (Note, I also blocked the most recent TA used by that range and logged it, for now, to deal with the reporting requirement until the above question is answered). - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 01:31, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@ToBeFree: Ahh. Well, I did mark it as 'Arbitration enforcement', before going "and to log - hmmmm", but I'll keep that in mind in the future. The Bushranger _{One ping only} 01:47, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@ToBeFree: Appreciated. So, note it in the log, but without a link to the IP/range's Special:Contributions page then, I presume. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 02:03, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note, after the discussion below, I've logged it per [1]. Thank you. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 04:30, 23 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Izno

Yes, there are exceptions built into the policy for this kind of case. The issue does come to something like the revision deletion clause, which is clearly prohibitive. I suspect the people who wrote that into the TAIV policy actually just simply don't understand how revision deletion works (and that we'd have to revision delete... a lot... rather than I suspect the imagined "single revision" where the item was introduced). I put something in the ear of the WMF a couple weeks ago about that provision being dumb and needing rethinking, but this would be a good on-wiki use case specifically to reference. I agree that this all is also relevant beyond the "I need to block someone in the area" suggested above as enforcement also needs to consider "I need specifically to block someone using the powers prescribed in an arbitration case or in the contentious topic procedure" (consider as an example the old ban on Scientology IPs). Izno (talk) 20:39, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Tamzin

@ToBeFree: I think your analysis is the best way of looking at this. I'll note that I reached out to WMF Legal a few weeks ago about expanding the consecutive-block rule to all admin actions (after finding myself in a gray area on disclosure by unblocking an IP on request from a TA on that IP). Last I heard from Madi Moss (WMF), the plan was to change it to "blocks, unblocks, or performs other administrative actions", although I don't know where that plan stands as of now. Of course it's the current policy that's binding, but even by the current wording I agree there's no issue with consecutive logging at AELOG (and Madi did not seem inclined to de-TAIV me for my consecutive-unblock :P).

All that said, yeah, the "appropriate venues" clause should work here if for some reason consecutive logging isn't enough to get the point across; if someone wants to do that, I'll repeat the suggestion I included in a footnote at TAIVDISCLOSE that they do the disclosure on a transcluded subpage, so that it can later be cleanly revdelled without taking out a bunch of unrelated history. So something like I have also blocked the TA's IP range, {{WP:Arbitration enforcement log/TAIV disclosure/1}} <small>([[WP:TAIVDISCLOSE|intentional disclosure]])</small>, for 180 days. Then at the end of those 180 days (or later if there's continued IP abuse at that point), redact and revdel. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 03:32, 26 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello The Bushranger, the following premise is not factually correct: I performed a rangeblock of an IPv6 /64 for GENSEX-related disruption; therefore, I need to log this. You don't need to. Blocking someone for disruption, no matter in which topic area, is a simple administrative action that doesn't need logging. If you do something you could else not do, or if you don't want the rangeblock to be undoable without an appeal to WP:AN, then you can make it a formal contentious topics action. You can; you are not required to. The simplest practical answer to the question is thus "don't mark it as a GENSEX CTOP action". ~ ToBeFree (talk) 01:44, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's all good. To answer the actual question regarding IP addresses and logging, though: To my personal understanding, just as blocking an IP address creates a public log entry, it can't be a problem to log a ban or any kind of sanction on an IP address. Making a connection to specific edits would be a problem, even making a connection to a specific page may be, but simply stating that you are applying sanction X to IP a.b.c.d should be as unproblematic as the existence of a public log entry of a block on a.b.c.d. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 01:49, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Linking to a page that can only be viewed by people with the needed access should be fine too. I assume this is about Special:IPContributions. Linking to it doesn't provide additional information to the wrong people; try opening that link in a private tab. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 02:08, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That won't work because the contribs are gone in 90 days. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 02:17, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Now we're mixing whether something is allowed from a privacy perspective and whether something makes sense from our ArbCom logging desires. If the logs are gone after 90 days, the logs are gone after 90 days and reviewing the IP block is tough. This is just one additional reason why applying CTOP sanctions to IP addresses, just as bans, was always an unusual and rarely meaningful thing to do. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 02:22, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Logging the IP or range allows quicker or escalating sanctions, and that's an issue that comes up with ECR enforcement. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 02:35, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ScottishFinnishRadish, there are so many unrealistic assumptions that come with this ... including formal awareness through a CTOP template that had to be sent to the IP address before that IP address can be sanctioned for continuing. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 02:39, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The editor has to be aware, not every IP address or temporary amount they use. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 02:41, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ah right. So if someone edits disruptively, we perform a checkuser lookup and log a sanction against their IP address range because that helps with escalating sanctions and they're known to be aware through non-public information. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 02:43, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
So yeah, even the concept of awareness is broken with IP addresses since the introduction of temporary accounts. Can we ... perhaps just apply sanctions to accounts only, and avoid placing formal CTOP sanctions on IP addresses? Because that's highly impractical? ~ ToBeFree (talk) 02:46, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
At a quick glance I see a dozen logged sanctions on IPs and temporary accounts in ARBPIA this year. Seems like it works fine. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 02:52, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
None of the currently-28 AELOG sanctions placed in November 2025 are against IP addresses. Temporary accounts are treated like accounts, their IP addresses might have been blocked in the background but not as logged formal actions. Which is fine. Beyond bureaucracy, academic privacy discussions and links to information that is now deleted after 90 days, there is no point in formally logging a sanction against an IP address obtained through TAIV, just as noone would have had the idea to do so for IP ranges obtained from checkuser results before. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 03:07, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

To provide a practical example, let's say temporary account ~2025-F has edited an article about the Arab-Israeli conflict, and similar edits came from ~2025-A, ~2025-B, ~2025-C, ~2025-D and ~2025-E. A quick look reveals that all of these accounts were created from the same /48 IPv6 range. All of the edits were in violation of the extended-confirmed restriction in this topic area and not otherwise problematic. The usual response is protecting the affected pages as a CTOP action. No measures against temporary accounts or IPs are needed. However, if an administrator wants to apply a sanction such as a formal CTOP block, they can do so to the latest account (or all of them, as a symbolic measure).
The administrator can additionally {{rangeblock}} the /48 IPv6 range: admins are allowed to make blocks that, by their timing, imply a connection between an account and an IP.^{[WP:TAIVDISCLOSE]}
And if all of that is really not enough and a formal sanction has to be applied to the IP address range, well then, that too can still be done and logged as before. Yes, it will create two log entries directly below each other with the temporary account's name and IP address. Just as the blocks did in the block log. It's completely avoidable and rarely helpful but not formally prohibited as far as I understand. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 02:36, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
While in this case it could have been a standard block it can't be for an ECR block, so this is definitely going to come up and now is a good time to stew our noodles on how to handle it. WP:TAIV says And when "reasonably believed to be necessary", exceptions can be made at appropriate policy-enforcement venues. Then it goes on to say However, the disclosure should be revision-deleted as soon as it ceases to be necessary. It's necessary to maintain a log of submission enforcement actions for a number of reasons so maybe we could sneak it in under that? What a clusterfuck. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 02:05, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't like using AE sanctions against non-accounts either, but wouldn't forbid it . If the sanction is against an IP, log it with a link to the IP. If it's against a temporary account, log it with a link to the temporary account. That shouldn't result in an "extra" disclosure simply based on the logging action. Let me know if I missed something ... Sdrqaz (talk) 03:29, 23 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ideally, just log the sanction on the temporary account. It shouldn't normally be necessary to log a block of an underlying IP/range. The only reason I can think of is that you want to mark it as an AE block to avoid it being overturned without proper consideration, in which case I suppose it has to be logged and the exception applies, but I'm sure an informative summary in the block log would be enough to prevent that in most cases. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:46, 24 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We currently have a policy that might infringe upon a global policy. It might make sense, until we get clarification from Legal, to amend our procedures to explicitly keep IP blocks out of the log (e.g. amend the quoted statement above to "All sanctions and page restrictions, except page protections and IP blocks, must be...". Primefac (talk) 15:15, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Taking a swerve on the AE aspect initially, and unpacking the issue from the other end, what confidentiality do we owe Temporary Accounts? For regular accounts the user is given anonymity which can only be seen through by checkusers (ArbCom appointed, NDA required). Temporary accounts can be seen through by Admins and by viewers, neither group needing to sign the NDA.

For us to protect TAs to the same extent as user accounts, and to allow the two-handed case handling of CU blocks, in which one CU blocks the user account and another CU blocks the IP, we'd need an NDA-controlled forum for admins and TAIVs to discuss the connections openly. That doesn't exist, nor (AFAIK) has the foundation even hinted that they'd like us to go that route.

Until/unless Madi (or someone else in Legal) tells us otherwise, we don't need to escalate the privacy of an artificial account generated by the Wiki software to the same level as the privacy of a human-generated account which may contain PII in the username.

To return to the AE aspect, we're primarily here to build an encyclopedia, a principle that ArbCom has long upheld, and our social policies are not a suicide pact. If it's necessary to log TAs and their IPs at AElog (e.g. an IP user burning through multiple TAs to a disruptive end), and the logging is well considered, I'm not going to criticise or censure. Cabayi (talk) 11:03, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Clarification request: Indian military history

Initiated by The Bushranger at 00:12, 26 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Case or decision affected: Indian military history arbitration case (t) (ev / t) (w / t) (pd / t)

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The Bushranger (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) (initiator)

Statement by The Bushranger

This regards the South Asian social groups portion of the IMH case (aka WP:CT/SA). Specifically it relates to the former WP:GSCASTE, which, absorbed into SASG, explicitly includes "political parties" in the defitintion of social groups that fall under WP:ECR. Recently at RFPP, it was stated that as elections involve political parties, they fall under the GSCASTE/SASG mandatory ECR. I can see the logic (per "broadly construed"), while at the same time seeing it as a variation of WP:NOTINHERITED, so I figured I'd come here and ask: are elections in the CT/SA defined area considered to fall uinder SASG for the purpose of extended confirmed restrictions? - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:12, 26 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Rosguill

I can understand the reasoning of why election articles in India are not typically fraught in the same way that caste groups are, but I would urge arbs to consider amending the scope so that it’s actually comprehensible to new editors. It’s honestly a bit ridiculous to expect editors to internalize the meaning of “broadly construed” but then assert that elections are not in the domain of political parties, despite essentially exclusively concerning the activities of parties. My vague recollection is that the inclusion of “political parties” in the definition of GSCASTE was due to repeated disputes over the characterization of RSS (and maybe also Tamil nationalist groups?). I can’t say that I’ve noticed nearly as much disruption recently in that vein, with most SA disruption being instead in the area of caste descriptions, wars, and Kashmir. If it’s true that political party related disruption is no longer a pressing issue, I think it would be much more reasonable for ARBCOM to amend CT/SA language to no longer highlight political parties, or to craft wording that specifies the parts of political parties that tend to be contentious (ie classification of their political orientation, esp the inclusion of nationalist/fascist/etc or not), rather than asserting that political parties are ECR but their primary activity somehow isn’t. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 21:16, 28 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Along the lines of Primefac’s comment, I would suggest dropping political parties from GCASTE. If there’s ever disruption, they’re still part of SA so protection can be liberally applied, but we don’t need to preemptively declare them to be ECR. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 17:10, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Thryduulf

Coming into this as a complete outsider, I wonder if slightly expanding Wikipedia:Contentious topics/Historical elections to cover things other than the results would be a better fit than the South Asian topic? (The answer could well be "no" of course). Thryduulf (talk) 02:24, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Vanamonde

I second Rosguill's request to strike the wording about political parties. My understanding is that their inclusion in the original scope of GSCASTE was a consequence of some political parties having an explicit or implicit caste association in the Indian subcontinent. However, the areas in which caste intrudes into politics is already covered by the "broadly construed" language. And although the history and activity of political parties is a matter of considerable contention, they not a frequent subject of non-EC disruption because the set of pages is small, and largely already EC-protected. Conversely, election pages are an area of surprising harmony, possibly because of their purely factual nature, and the frequency of elections in India mean there is a large number of non-EC accounts working on such pages. I don't think we should be prohibiting this activity, and I don't think we should be in the habit of making rules we intend to be enforced selectively. The application of ECR to social groups and military history is sufficient.

Arguably this should be a separate request on my part, but this is a reasonable opportunity for ARBCOM to clarify whether "social groups" covers religion. My understanding is that the "social groups" wording is used to encompass the many uses of the word caste and related concepts, including the Jāti/Varna distinction, and the OBC/SC/ST designations used by the Indian government. I don't believe it was originally intended to cover religious groups, but perhaps I'm wrong. Religious conflict is of course a major flashpoint within CT/SA, and I'm personally genuinely undecided if religious groups also need to be covered by ECR. But the difference in scope would be enormous, and I think it is worth ArbCom making it official one way or another. Vanamonde93 (talk) 18:32, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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That's the kind of thing I'd let ride unless it was becoming disruptive. ECR was applied in this topic because of the disruption, so with broadly construed cases it's acceptable to invoke it, but let it slide if there's not disruption. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:36, 26 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with SFR. "Broadly construed" is a useful device for capturing disruption not confined to a small number of articles, but shouldn't be a bureaucratic burden. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:11, 26 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with Harry and SFR. Daniel (talk) 20:37, 28 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Per others; elections shouldn't necessarily be included. I would be fine with rewording the topic area designation to clarify this, but not seeing a pressing need either. Elli (talk | contribs) 02:50, 29 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
My recollection of the GS/CASTE wording is similar to that of Rosguill, in that it was the parties themselves that were the issue (similar to related controversies over the castes); the vandalism at the article in question does not necessarily seem to be about the parties themselves and more about CRYSTAL predictions/complaints about the election results, so protection under CTOP (in my opinion) is not fully valid (though the protection in and of itself is perfectly fine). Could an election article require protection under this CTOP? Very likely, per the arguments already stated here, but I do not think we should make a blanket statement that all election articles are automatically under the "broadly construed" umbrella. I am not sure how best we could clarify that wording without getting too verbose, but potentially something like "political party characterisation" or similar? Primefac (talk) 14:52, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"Elections"? Election campaigns are political, definitely in scope. Election results are factual and per other comments, it would be officious to apply restrictions. Efforts to contest results (think Jan 6) are once again political and in scope. 2¢. Cabayi (talk) 11:03, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I also agree with SFR on this, and with Cabayi's description. - Aoidh (talk) 02:45, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Example request

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One-revert restriction: Changes on this page are frequently reverted back and forth. User:Example (talk) 16:13, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: This doesn't involve any contentious topic, so an admin doesn't have discretion to impose a one-revert restriction here. ~ Jenson (SilverLocust 💬) 16:13, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Iskandar323

National Iranian American Council (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Banned editor making Israel/Palestine edit: This editor is banned from the topic yet they made edits to this article: [2]. At the time, the top news item on the organization's website was this statement on Israel-Palestine which clearly indicates their motivation given their shared position: [3] jwtmsqeh (talk) 15:18, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not done, the content of the edit does not touch upon the conflict, even when broadly construed. Also noting that Iskandar323 is currently already serving a short block for a different edit that did violate their sanction, and which post-dates the edit to the NIAC article. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 15:52, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This is not a forum for general discussion --Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 16:23, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Hi, you made 221 revisions using the IABot over a period of about a week just prior to acquiring the extendedconfirmed grant. You then became active in the Wikipedia:Contentious topics/Iranian politics topic area (which is not under extendedconfirmed restrictions). Did you employ the IABot to speed up your acquisition of the extendedconfirmed grant? If so, are you planning to edit in a topic area that requires the grant, such as the Israel-Palestine conflict topic area? Sean.hoyland (talk) 16:11, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Longewal

No action Valereee (talk) 14:21, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Request concerning Longewal

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Zalaraz (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 16:34, 18 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Longewal (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced: Wikipedia:CT/SA

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

08:20, 23 September 2025 - violation of ECR by referring to the Rajput caste's history. (Warned by admin for the same (Special:Diff/1313147286))
00:45 30 September 2025 - violation of ECR again. He acknowledged this violation.
21:55, 23 October 2025 - Violations of WP:AGF and WP:ASPERSIONS; "My concern is that these rules are fostering an insular group of editors focused on South-Asia topics. This allows them to dictate consensus, often at the expense of neutrality. I'm starting to see a troubling pattern of like-minded views, and this gatekeeping is a real problem."
00:43, 11 November 2025 - Replacing India and Pakistan with excessively broad and POV term "Indian subcontinent".
01:48, 11 November 2025 - Referring to territorial expansion of Mughal empire under Aurangzeb using a map.
03:00, 11 November 2025 -Violation of ECR, also misinterpreting the image caption as saying expansion caused higher GDP when the caption clearly makes a distinction between the two sentences using a conjunction.
02:17, 11 November 2025 - stating that IVC sites in Afghanistan are covered by the term "Indian subcontinent.
20:04, 13 November 2025 - Repeating the same misinterpretation of caption even after clarification was provided (Special:Diff/1321581179)
23:05, 16 November 2025- referring to his proposed territorial map of the empire, thereby referring to its expansion even after the ECR warning

Additionally, it is also clear that this user is wikihounding me:

Zalaraz (talk) 16:34, 18 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Voorts: Let me add a few words regarding the diffs I have already provided: Longewal is engaging in:

1) continued violation of ECR, given Mughal Empire territorial expansion under Aurangzeb is a military topic as these expansions occurred only through military conquests (diff 5)

2) wikihounding me by arriving on the controversial articles that were recently edited by me and reverted me on at least 3 of them.

3) See diff 4, he is POV pushing to suppress words like "Pakistan" and "Aurangzeb", in line with Hindutva POV that seeks to discredit Pakistan and Aurangzeb.[4][5][6]

Longewal is now disrupting another controversial topic, i.e., Muhammad[7] using AI (Talk:Aisha#Marriage_of_Muhammad_and_Aisha), a similar observation was made by me as well. Zalaraz (talk) 01:55, 24 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

Date Explanation
Date Explanation

If contentious topics restrictions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:CTOP#Awareness of contentious topics): [8]
Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Longewal&diff=prev&oldid=1322921494

Discussion concerning Longewal

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Statement by Longewal

Longewal's statement contains 492 words and complies with the 500-word limit.

I am a newer editor working towards EC status. I take the CTOP restrictions seriously. I admit I wasn't fully aware of the policy in the very beginning, but always reached out to admins for clarification. This report is an attempt by the filer to weaponize enforcement proceedings to win content disputes regarding Economic history of India and Sati (practice). See relevant talk page discussions: (1), (2), and (3)

Regarding ECR (Indian Mil History/India Caste): The filer accuses me of violating ECR restrictions by discussing a map of the Mughal Empire. I specifically sought administrative clarification on this exact issue to ensure compliance. Administrator Newslinger reviewed the situation and stated:
I do not see Longewal's disputed edits as blatant WP:ECR violations... most of the Economic history of India article is not military-related. Diff

I have adhered to this guidance. My edits concerned the economic scope of the empire (GDP and territory), not military conflict.

Regarding ASPERSION and AGF accusations: I don't think my comment there is an attack on anyone but a general comment on how the broad restrictions on South Asia related topics creates an insular environment. In hindsight, I should have been more careful with the words. However, these were personal views left on an admin's page and they didn't seem to take those unkindly. On that note, it must be noted that the filer has made it a habit of reading my comments as ASPERSION and AGF on talk page discussions when they are clearly not. They have been warned that their accusations are wrong by another experienced editor before.
I don't see anything that rises to the level of WP:ASPERSIONS here, Zalaraz... They did imply disruption on your part with how you've approached the content dispute, but there too they are expressing a your-mileage-may-vary opinion and didn't suggest that you were acting in bad faith so much as not responding the policy arguments. Diff

Regarding "Wikihounding" and conduct: The filer and I edit the same high-traffic South Asian history articles; overlap is natural. However, the filer has consistently responded to editorial disagreement with personal attacks and aspersions, rather than policy-based discussion.

False accusations of using AI: On Talk:Sati (practice), when I engaged in a policy discussion, the filer baselessly accused me of using AI to generate my comments. The filer was explicitly warned by editor Snow Rise regarding these personal attacks:
There is no consensus on the reliability of supposed 'AI detectors' (themselves a form of LLM technology), and in fact, a great deal of skepticism about their accuracy. I've looked at both of the TP contributions that you flagged, and for various reasons I find it highly doubtful that they are not human-generated. Regardless, Longewal eventually made clear that their position was that they wrote at least the first comment and you persisted with the accusation on the basis of your suspicions.
More to the point, none of this is relevant discussion for an article talk page. If you had concerns about their using LLM generated TP comments, you should have raised them with those with them on their user talk or talking the discussion to a relevant behavioural conduct space. Diff

Regarding Content Disputes: The filer cites my support for the term "Indian subcontinent" (over "India and Pakistan") for the Indus Valley Civilisation era as a sanction-able offense. This is a standard NPOV disagreement regarding historical geography, currently under discussion on the Talk page. I even agreed to accepting "South Asia" as a compromise. It is not vandalism or disruption. In fact, I have given really solid arguments explaining why I propose removal of country names. Bringing up content disputes in active discussion as a sanction-able user conduct issue is a misuse of this process.

I have followed admin guidance regarding ECR topics and attempted to discuss content on Talk pages, while the filer has resorted to aspersions and forum-shopping. Longewal (talk) 22:48, 18 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Newslinger

I am posting in this section because some of my actions and comments about ECR are effectively under review. Regarding the Economic history of India article, Longewal initially changed the lead image from File:Aurangzeb-portrait.jpg to File:Joppen1907India1700a.jpg and the corresponding caption from "Aurangzeb expanded the Mughal Empire and made it the region with largest GDP in the 17th century" to "Under the Mughal Empire reached its greatest territorial extent, making India the largest economy in the world by the end of the 17th century". Zalaraz reverted the edit, and Longewal subsequently started a discussion at Talk:Economic history of India § Lede image and geography wording.

Aurangzeb was an emperor of the Mughal Empire who engaged in territorial expansion through military action. However, the disputed content in the Economic history of India article refers only to the economic impact of the territorial expansion and not the means by which it was conducted. As territorial expansion (in general) can also be accomplished by non-military means, I do not see Longewal's Aurangzeb-related edits on the Economic history of India article and its talk page as blatant ECR violations. The disputed content's close proximity to the ECR-covered Indian military history subtopic does make it more difficult for Longewal and other editors who are not extended confirmed (EC) to discuss the topic, which is why I advised against non-EC editors participating in discussions that are prone to crossing into the restricted subtopic, at which point non-EC editors must disengage.

I am interested to hear other opinions on whether my determination was appropriate. In my opinion, all editors would benefit if determinations regarding whether a subject is covered by ECR were indexed on a centralised page to provide more certainty for non-EC editors on whether they are able to participate in discussions about subjects that are close to a restricted topic. — Newslinger talk 15:41, 19 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Longewal: In light of the discussion at Talk:Aisha § Marriage of Muhammad and Aisha and your removal of non-wikitext markup in Special:Diff/1323495224, could you please clarify the extent to which you are using a large language model (such as an AI chatbot) to author edits on Wikipedia, including your statement in this discussion? You'll have to request a word limit extension to answer. — Newslinger talk 22:13, 23 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Voorts: Yes, I brought it up only because Longewal discussed AI in their statement. — Newslinger talk 22:24, 23 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Longewal: Please disregard my question here for now. Thanks. — Newslinger talk 23:39, 23 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Katzrockso

I am not too familiar with these editors, but the only of those 3 editor interaction timlines that even remotely implies Wikihouding is the one for Hindu rate of growth. The other edits have weeks in-between. Moreover, the edits Longewal made to Women in Hinduism don't even seem to be on the same section of the article as the edits Zalaraz made. From what I can tell, the same goes for Economic history of India. The only overlap between the two editors on the same content appears to be on the Hindu rate of growth, where Zalaraz added [9] "Hindutva historical revisionist" as a descriptor for Sanjeev Sanyal and Longewal removed it [10]. One edit doesn't really make Wikihounding.Katzrockso (talk) 12:10, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by (username)

Result concerning Longewal

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.

Calling diff 6 an ECR violation is a real stretch. -- asilvering (talk) 02:21, 19 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Diffs 1 and 2 are stale/have been dealt with. Diff 3 is a criticism of ARBCOM/a generalized complaint, not specific aspersions against particular editors. I see no issues with diffs 6-9. This filing feels a bit overzealous. voorts (talk/contributions) 21:55, 23 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Newslinger: I don't believe that Islamic history is within the scope of any CTOP. voorts (talk/contributions) 22:20, 23 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Newslinger: If there's persistent disruption via AI editing across topic areas, I think that should be taken to ANI. voorts (talk/contributions) 23:24, 23 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

إيان

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Request concerning إيان

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Nehushtani (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 12:04, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: إيان (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced: WP:ARBPIA5

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

Edit warring during consensus building efforts on Jerusalem Day: this editor is edit warring "In recent years, there have been anti-Palestinian chants of "death to Arabs" and "May Your Village Burn" in these parades." into the lead. They first added it on 16 November 2025. On 17 November 2025 I reverted them saying to seek consensus, after which on 21 November 2025 another user added it back in, on 23 November 2025 I again removed it per WP:ONUS, on 23 November 2025 they again edit warred it in and on 23 November 2025 were reverted by another user telling them to stop edit warring. On November 2025 they edit warred it back in , falsely claiming "Per current talk page consensus", when taking a look at the talk page will indicate that there is an ongoing discussion and no consensus, and this the user is clearly violating WP:ONUS, for which they have been previously been cautioned throughout this whole discussion.
Uncivil behavior and violations of WP:AGF on Talk:Jerusalem Day: On 23 November 2025 they inaccurately described what had happened, because the previous discussion had been only about including the contested material in the body of the article (to which I acquiesced) and they had never until that point discussed it in the lead. On 24 November 2025 they claimed that those disagreeing with them and saying something is WP:UNDUE is "not policy based" and then later on 24 November 2025 doubling down on these claims. This seems to violate WP:SATISFY. On 24 November 2025 BlookyNapsta told them to start an WP:RFC to include the contested material, but on 24 November 2025 they insisted that "I don’t think we need to go to an RfC to establish consensus". On 24 November 2025 they wrote that those who disagree with them are WP:Status quo stonewalling.
WP:BLUDGEONING: On Talk:Six-Day War#Requested move 16 November 2025, this user has been WP:BLUDGEONING and repeating the same claims over and over again, 19 November 2025, 19 November 2025, 20 November 2025 and 23 November 2025.
WP:BLUDGEONING: In the Talk:Six-Day War#Requested move 13 November 2025 previous RfD (now replaced by the previous one) they were similarly involved in WP:BLUDGEONING, asking every editor who rejected their proposal based on WP:COMMONNAME "by what metrics" they call it the common name. 13 November 2025, 14 November 2025, 14 November 2025 and 15 November 2025. A few months ago, at Talk:Gaza Genocide, the user was also WP:BLUDGEONING, questioning any user he disagreed with "based on what sources?" or a similar reaction. 4 August 2025, 18 August 2025 and 24 August 2025.
WP:SYNTH: On 23 November 2025, the user was warned on their talk page that they had violated WP:SYNTH, in one case on a WP:BLP page. On 23 November 2025 they insisted that these edits "seems like useful context for the reader". (Although on 23 November 2025 the user did eventually say that they will be more diligent on the matter, implicitly admitting that they had made a mistake.)

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

Logged warning on 25 October 2025 "to remain civil, assume good faith of other editors, and avoid inflammatory remarks".

If contentious topics restrictions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:CTOP#Awareness of contentious topics)

24 January 2025 received the standard CTOP warning on their talk page.

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

@Butterscotch Beluga - The claim that "They asked you to come to talk to discuss & but you didn't respond until other editors got involved" is inaccurate. The discussion started on the talk page was open 08:01, 16 November 2025 about whether it was due in the body of the article. Their arguments convinced me that it is widely enough covered to be due in the body of the article so I did not respond. Later that day, on 10:09, 16 November 2025, they began edit warring the contentious content into the lead with no discussion whatsoever. Nehushtani (talk) 07:38, 26 November 2025 (UTC) @Cinaroot's claim that I did not participate in the talk page discussion is once again inaccurate, as there was no discussion about the inclusion in the lead, as I explained above. Also, although they were uninvolved in this specific discussion, it does not seem to be a coincidence that they posted this commont shortly after I have informed them of a 1RR violation. Nehushtani (talk) 17:54, 29 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

[1]

Discussion concerning إيان

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Statement by إيان

إيان's statement contains 959 words and is within 10% of the 925-word limit.

Extension granted to 925 words. — Newslinger talk 16:23, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The disagreement appears to be about the content of my edits rather than my conduct, as evident in these contrived, shoehorned, and misrepresentative accusations:

The first accusation of edit warring is ABSURD, especially coming from the accuser who, reverted by two editors, refused to discuss in the talk page discussion on the matter after being pinged, and was the one engaged in edit warring. There is a summary of this here.
The accusation of uncivil behavior is also contrived. I followed WP:BRD and I was magnanimous with the two out of five involved editors that disagreed and did not offer any proof beyond a vague gesture to UNDUE. To accuse me of edit warring without bothering to discuss for a week is disingenuous to say the least. The accuser alleges they wrote that those who disagree with them are WP:Status quo stonewalling, which I did not. I placed the link to the explanatory essay there for the benefit of all without making any accusation about anyone doing it.
~~The accusations of bludgeoning are again contrived, appearing to exploit a shoehorned accusation of conduct violations because the accuser disagreed with the substance of the edits. Also,~~ the two RMs are the same discussion. When the likelihood of approaching the word limit was brought to my attention, I made my final points and stopped.
The SYNTH accusation is again content-based and not conduct-based and was already addressed and resolved. The accuser was not involved at all, and I'm curious why the accuser brings it up again here.

Per WP:Dispute resolution: If you have taken all other reasonable steps to resolve the dispute, and the dispute is not over the content of an article, you can request arbitration. It would have been appreciated if the accuser had, for example, discussed their grievances with me at any point directly on my talk page before bothering everyone here with these flagrantly frivolous and vexatious accusations and this unnecessary bureaucracy. I take the Wikipedia policies very seriously, and it is inappropriate to try to weaponize Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement to silence editors contributing in good faith with whom we might disagree on content. إيان (talk) 15:45, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Originalcola, if you thought that I was clearly engaging in bludgeoning, why didn't you say so? I admittedly engaged a lot, but I thought I was engaging politely and in good faith, and there was good discussion happening in response to my arguments and questions. It didn't seem to me from the way the conversation was going that I had been doing something wrong. And as I said in my statement, when it was brought to my attention, I stopped. Regarding the false claim regarding case-sensitive searches, I did indeed make a mistake in seeing the "case-insensitive" tab as "case-sensitive" which I later realized and fixed from then-on.إيان (talk) 10:38, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

QuicoleJR's accusations also appear to be rooted in a disagreement on content rather than conduct. The claim The editor in question, after the content was removed from Jerusalem Day, added it to anti-Palestinian racism is wrong and deceptive. The thoroughly sourced content—perfectly WP:DUE where I placed it per sourcing—is based on this understanding, not the information removed from the lede.

That I should be penalized for contributions such as translating "May Your Village Burn" from Hebrew is absurd. Improving articles and getting the encyclopedia closer to WP:NPOV with high-quality contributions introducing drastically underrepresented voices and citing the highest quality scholarly sources, while being engaged and responsive on talk pages, is not WP:disruptive editing, whereas reverting without discussing to maintain a POV status quo is disruptive behavior. As for expanding on controversies and negative coverage of Israel and their supporters, WP:Wikipedia is not censored and—though I apologize for where I have made honest mistakes—it is unfair and inappropriate to attempt sanction me on contrived accusations here in an attempt to censor me and my contributions. إيان (talk) 21:12, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I believe BlookyNapsta’s most recent comment helps clarify what this really seems to be about—content and not conduct. I have responded to their questions on their talk page. إيان (talk) 11:54, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Extended content

:::I think I'm over my word limit. Could I have permission to say a few more words in response to Samuelshraga? إيان (talk) 12:34, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Samuelshraga, thanks for your statement here and thank you for acknowledging that I was engaging politely and in good faith. It means a lot to me. I appreciate your input here as I appreciated it at the RM.

I have acknowledged that I engaged more than I should have in the RM. Part of it was a substantial irregularity caused it to become a second RM, which Nehushtani framed into a doubled bludgeoning accusation. Anyway, I won’t engage in that way again.

I have no problem acknowledging my mistakes when I make them. I wasn’t sure how to take if you're not familiar with how to interpret or use this kind of search tools for specific topics like this then you can ask for help from other editors—it looked like a possible taunt. ~~If Originalcola would like a formal apology for it, I'm happy to do so, as I have for my misunderstanding the ngram case-sensitivity.~~ I have apologized for comment taken as an insinuation of bad faith. 08:32, 4 December 2025 (UTC) I would have apologized at the time if they had made it known then that they took offense. (I now realize that it was genuine, but it is hard to tell through text sometimes.) I thought responding with this appears to be condescension, which is inappropriate and I remind you to maintain WP:Civility was an appropriate, diplomatic way to both address that possibility and maintain the assumption of good faith. Same for Talk:Jerusalem Day, where I—then aware of the need to economize my words—was more terse than would be ideal, and I see how it could be misconstrued, and I can apologize there too. إيان (talk) 03:08, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Longhornsg, my heart is indeed in the right place—thank you—and I emphatically disagree with your characterizations and conclusion. My contributions in the topic area, for example, are of immense value to the encyclopedia. إيان (talk) 06:12, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also, this is not resorted to accusing me of WP:BADFAITH.

I explained my thought process and defended my opinion on content on the talk page. إيان (talk) 07:25, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by BlookyNapsta

I'm afraid Ayan's response goes to show exactly the problem Nehushtani complains about: a total failure to understand Wikipedia rules when it comes to this extremely sensitive topic. As someone involved in the same discussion, I saw the same issue: Ayan is trying to promote a very controversial piece of information to the lead of an article about a public holiday in Israel, but when the conversation doesn't go the way they wanted, they seem to have decided to force their version despite clear opposition. Wikipedia has enough bias issues and this kind of behavior just makes it worse. Ayan's denial of the issues that appear here, which I learn they are not doing for the first time, having already been warned by this very forum, require a good answer. BlookyNapsta (talk) 15:05, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@QuicoleJR's comments about POV pushing are really disturbing. If Ayan's behavior includes not only edit warring and bludgeoning but also activist-style edits meant to distort our coverage of ARBPIA topics, that should be remedied asap. I saw more examples of this happening just yesterday on 30 November 2025 to Talk:Six-Day War. After two failed attempts to change the article's name because of alleged "POV title", Ayan now claims that "the occupations and displacements" are "the most prominent features of the war". The very suggestion that "displacements" were "the most prominent" feature of the war goes directly against any serious coverage of the topic in scholarship.

Another article - Zionism in Morocco - written from scratch by Ayan also shows clear bias. "Zionism ... the 19th century ethnocultural nationalist movement to establish a Jewish state through the colonization of Palestine" - Calling Zionism "colonization" reflects a specific political framing which is not agreed about in academic literature. Similarly, the article refers several times to Zionist activities as "propaganda", but does not use this phrase for other political actors. The article also states that "Initially, Mossad Le'Aliyah agents exploited poverty to motivate Jews to leave"; using the word "exploited" is clearly POV and judgmental.

These actions around the articles on the Six-Day War and on Zionism in Morocco, which seem to try to rewrite historical events to serve a clear agenda, seem to be just a few examples of a wider attempt to expand the bias that is ruining Wikipedia's credibility (which are not noticed only by me, but also by Wikipedia's founders). BlookyNapsta (talk) 09:47, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@إيان - I don't see this as an issue of content. The possible violation at hand is POV pushing, which is an issue of conduct. BlookyNapsta (talk) 13:12, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I keep seeing more of this happening. Yesterday, on 3 December 2025, at 1948 Palestine war, they reverted a constructive edit without even attempting to explain why they were reverting. This constructive edit did justice with the article, and seems to have fixed the very activistic "Zionist forces... established Israel" - as if it was established by a militia - with the facts: "The Jewish Yishuv... established Israel", and added a mention of atrocities against Jews in the war to improve NPOV since the lead did not mention these. According to WP:REVERT: "Rather than reverting entirely, consider improving the edit to enhance the article's quality. .. Provide a valid and informative explanation including, if possible, a link to the Wikipedia principle you believe justifies the reversion." That may suggest that Ayan is not interested in the improvement of the encyclopedia, as constructive editing is not in their head. In itself, this wouldn't require a severe sanction, but this clear stonewalling, alongside the other examples provided here of POV pushing, edit warring, bludgeoning, synth and BLP violations, all connected to the promotion of a certain POV on Wikipedia, point to an editor who is WP:NOTHERE (see "Long-term agenda inconsistent with building an encyclopedia") and should be driven out of this topic area. BlookyNapsta (talk) 07:24, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Valereee - I find the suggestion that a page ban for Ayan would solve the much broader issues reported here, including bludgeoning, edit warring, synth BLP violations, and possibly also POV pushing, not helpful. This would not improve the situation in ARBPIA at all. An editor that acts this way consistently, as the diffs here clearly show, should be held accountable. This editor already received a logged warning here, on WP:AE, asking them "to remain civil, assume good faith of other editors, and avoid inflammatory remarks". This kind of recurring behavior is clearly not something we can solve with a page ban. That behavior would continue everywhere else. 13:49, 8 December 2025 (UTC) BlookyNapsta (talk) 13:49, 8 December 2025 (UTC) (edit: I've just noticed Valereee's comment regarding participation, my bad, sorry. though my thoughts still stand). BlookyNapsta (talk) 13:59, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Butterscotch Beluga

Your description of "Uncivil behavior and violations of WP:AGF" seems rather inaccurate. They asked you to come to talk to discuss & but you didn't respond until other editors got involved.

The comment you're quoting for "not policy based" actually read "Not a source or policy-based argument." The comment they were replying to was in response to my comment saying it was WP:DUE & backed by sources, so saying you disagree without supplying your own sources is unhelpful.

I don't believe asking for someone to explain their reasoning or cite a source for their !vote is WP:BLUDGEONING as long as they don't badger them further.

The issue regarding WP:SYNTH is both settled & not a conduct-issue. - Butterscotch Beluga (talk) 15:51, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Cinaroot

(un-involved)

If there was edit warring in this situation, the sequence of events indicates that it is Nehushtani who have engaged in edit warring. إيان opened a talk-page thread on 16 November immediately after the first revert, but Nehushtani did not participate in that discussion. When another editor reverted the Nehushtani on 21st, Nehushtani edit warred with them. إيان then reverted Nehushtani and requested to engage on the talk page. Nehushtani engaged after this.

Rather than using the existing talk-page discussion to seek consensus, Nehushtani continued reverting. It is not appropriate to revert repeatedly without participating in discussion, and then characterize the other party as the one edit-warring. Editors are expected to collaborate and engage in talk page discussions in a timely manner, in line with WP:CONSENSUS.

The evidence does not substantiate the claim that إيان was the party engaged in edit warring. Accordingly, I ask that the enforcement request be dismissed. Cinaroot (talk) 09:24, 29 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Originalcola

I cannot speak to any of the other claims made, but with regard to the 3rd and 4th charges إيان was clearly engaging in bludgeoning. They replied directly to the majority of editors who had cast oppose votes, and repeatedly insinuated that editors, including myself, were either acting in bad faith, arguing in bad faith or that editors that opposed the proposed name change were ignoring his arguments deliberately. They also made a false claim regarding case-sensitive searches in an argument to try and sway an editor by convincing them that they had made a misatake that they then repeated multiple times, although I did initially think it is more likely than not due to a lack of familiarity with using ngrams.Originalcola (talk) 19:13, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding @إيان's response to my statement, I just chose to disengage as I didn't think it was productive to continue. I had pointed out the mistake you made regarding case-sensitive searches and issues with some of the metrics you had been using in a reply to you somewhat early in the conversation, and I didn't want to continue that line of discussion at the time given the lack of acknowledgement and the aforementioned incivility accusation. Honestly I expected that either you would withdraw your request or someone else would close the discussion early given that there seemed to be a clear-cut consensus. Originalcola (talk) 19:33, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by QuicoleJR

The editor in question, after the content was removed from Jerusalem Day, added it to anti-Palestinian racism. They have also added the chant to the See Also section of globalize the intifada, and are the creator of the May Your Village Burn article which they are trying to add content about to other articles. Furthermore, upon reviewing their recent contributions, it would appear that most of their recent editing consists of expanding on controversies and negative coverage of Israel and their supporters, as can be seen here (see also this related POV edit), here, here (which was another insertion of content related to an article they created), and here. Nehushtani's conduct has also been subpar in this topic area, but adding this to the OP's report shows that the user in question is a clear POV pusher, which the topic area certainly needs less of. IMO a topic ban is unfortunately warranted to avoid further POV pushing, although I could also see a balanced editing restriction being passed as a lighter sanction. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:10, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

To be clear, I wasn't trying to imply that we shouldn't cover negative information about Israel, just that you seemed to be expanding on it as much as possible in as many places as possible, and that it seemed to be your primary purpose on Wikipedia. I also don't think there's anything wrong with you writing that article, but it was helpful context to you adding mentions of it to three other pages. I think your invocation of Wikipedia:Systemic bias shows the issue here; pro-Palestine POVs are not systematically underrepresented on Wikipedia, and trying to remedy that non-existent bias by adding a pro-Palestine bias is POV pushing, which is a conduct issue. For the record, I was not involved with any of this before finding this AE report. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:39, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Samuelshraga

I participated in the Six-Day War RM. I think إيان probably did enter bludgeoning territory (there was a lot of repetition the same arguments). The bludgeoning was about WP:COMMONNAME [11][12][13][14], then about the article naming policies of WP:CRITERIA and WP:POVTITLE [15][16][17][18]. I think there was also a certain measure of WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT - إيان was corrected on both issues repeatedly by multiple editors over the course of weeks. That said, إيان did (finally) accept that their case about WP:COMMONNAME was flawed[19], and did ultimately stop engaging when told they were approaching a word limit.

In isolation, I wouldn't consider the conduct in the Six-Day War RMs worthy of sanction, especially not if إيان understands where they went amiss. Based on the statement above that the accusations of bludgeoning are contrived, we're not quite there. @إيان, you said above on this issue: I thought I was engaging politely and in good faith. You were! But that doesn't mean you didn't bludgeon, and when OriginalCola pointed out where you went wrong, you accused them of being uncivil.[20] I think you should reconsider doubling down on this - making a mistake like this is not the end of the world, especially not if you can recognise it.

No comment either way on the rest of the evidence, other than the response to 2: I placed the link to the explanatory essay there for the benefit of all without making any accusation about anyone doing it. Erm... no, that's not how anyone would have read this, it's clearly an accusation - more an explicit than an implied one. Samuelshraga (talk) 07:14, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Longhornsg

Their heart is in the right place, but I've had a number of interactions with this user in PIA that do not give me great confidence that they can contribute ~~productively~~ constructively to this topic area without the exertion of a substantial amount of community time to rectify policy violations.

My experiences aren't content disputes. WP:SYNTH is a violation of policy. SYNTH on a BLP is worse. See the examples and conversation at Talk:Jordana_Cutler#SYNTH-y mess as an example, with the editor as the offender. This came after I had to warn the user for additional SYNTH violations in PIA. Concerningly, while the editor perfunctorily acknowledged the issue, they defended their use of SYNTH and resorted to accusing me of WP:BADFAITH. This is exactly what the user was warned not to do by AE consensus just over a month ago. Longhornsg (talk) 03:20, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

And a bit of WP:CIR. This edit mispresented the source and just made up the responsible cyber unit. And this edit represented a source as being from 2025, when its clearly written in 2023, and would make no sense to be written in 2025. All told. I've had to remove more than 5,300 characters, one-third of the total article, from a BLP because of SYNTH violations. This is not acceptable in this topic area. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Longhornsg (talk • contribs) 04:22, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by (username)

Result concerning إيان

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.

@إيان: In response to your request, your word limit has been extended to 850 words. I have removed the subheading "Additional comments by editor against whom the complaint is being filed" to fix the edit counter for your section. — Newslinger talk 18:06, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @إيان: Per your talk page message, your word limit has been extended to 925 words, which grants you 200 words for your response. — Newslinger talk 16:22, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  - Is there any reason we haven't restricted participation here? I feel like seven commenters, causing the subject to feel like they have to address every comment, and then the commenters are responding to their responses...I feel like it's exactly what the participation restriction was created to prevent. I haven't been working at AE since that was put in place, though, maybe this doesn't feel like too much to others here? Valereee (talk) 10:40, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No more from anyone except the subject and filer per this. إيان and Nehushtani, no more responding to anyone but admins working here who ask you a question. No further additional words will be granted except to answer questions from admins. Any uninvolved admin should feel free to adjust this. Valereee (talk) 12:51, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Anyone who wants to ask a question about this, do it at talk and ping me. Valereee (talk) 13:04, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
All right, as best I can tell, Wikipedia doesn't need either of these editors at Jerusalem Day. I propose an indef p-block of both from that article, allowing them to continue to discuss at the article talk. I will wait for other admins to chime in. Valereee (talk) 13:17, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@BlookyNapsta, this discussion is participation restricted, please see my statement above with link. Valereee (talk) 13:56, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

White Spider Shadow

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Request concerning White Spider Shadow

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: FDW777 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 19:22, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: White Spider Shadow (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced: WP:CT/ZS

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

04:35, 25 November 2025 Posts an edit request, while not extended confirmed
18:54, 25 November 2025 After having the edit request being rejected with a clear explanation, reinstates the edit request
19:08, 25 November 2025 Starts a discussion on my talk page about Zak Smith.

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

If contentious topics restrictions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:CTOP#Awareness of contentious topics)

Specifically notified here on 08:12, 30 September 2025.

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Unclear why White Spider Shadow wasn't blocked at the same time as all the other meatpuppets on Zak Smith, but it's clear they are intent on flogging the same dead horse the community has had enough of.

White Spider Shadow says I also see no practical point in topic-banning a non-EC editor from an EC-protected topic that has been closed to discussion by non-EC editors for a while now. I do see a practical point, since it prevents future disruption should they become EC at some point in the future. Their history on Zak Smith to date has been essentially identical to others who are already blocked and/or topic banned. FDW777 (talk) 21:22, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As mentioned by various editors below, the edits by White Spider Shadow don't exist in a vacuum. Their editing history is best summed up by Newslinger here stating As FixerFixerFixer (talk · contribs) and Slacker13 (talk · contribs) are both currently blocked, White Spider Shadow should be warned that continuing to litigate Zak Smith–related disputes on behalf of blocked or banned editors is a violation of the policy against proxying (WP:PROXYING). This current arbitration case request filed by White Spider Shadow mirrors the litigation strategy used by Slacker13, which can be seen in Slacker13's 29 August case request before it was declined by the Committee. Likewise, White Spider Shadow's conflict of interest noticeboard report at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard/Archive 225 § Morbidthoughts replicates the line of argument used in a January 2023 noticeboard report submitted by Jehmbo (talk · contribs), a blocked sockpuppet of FixerFixerFixer. FDW777 (talk) 17:44, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Notified here.

Discussion concerning White Spider Shadow

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Statement by White Spider Shadow

Hi. The request made by FDW777 contains several untrue statements. "Posts an edit request, while not extended confirmed" is not an edit that violates the sanction. It's specifically noted at the talk page in question that posting an edit request is an allowed exception (Quote: You must be logged-in and extended-confirmed to edit or discuss the topic of Zak Smith on any page (except for making edit requests, provided they are not disruptive).

"After having the edit request being rejected with a clear explanation, reinstates the edit request" is untrue as well. There was no clear explanation regarding my request, which is why I proceeded with the reinstating.

"Starts a discussion on my talk page about Zak Smith." is untrue as well. I did not discuss the topic of Zak Smith on FDW777's talk page. I pointed out that none of the reasons for my request were addressed, and asked if this is a normal practice. It's a discussion about edit requests, not about Smith. Diff: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:FDW777&diff=prev&oldid=1324131549

The additional comment "Unclear why White Spider Shadow wasn't blocked at the same time as all the other meatpuppets on Zak Smith, but it's clear they are intent on flogging the same dead horse the community has had enough of." is untrue as well, and sounds like a personal attack. It is clear why I was not blocked. My activity on WP was checked several times, and no reason for blocking me was found. Here's one link from my Talk page, more can be easily found: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:White_Spider_Shadow#c-ToBeFree-20250825232200-White_Spider_Shadow-20250825231600 As for "flogging the dead horse", I doubt that improving the quality of WP articles should ever be called that.

The part about myself being notified about the request is true. — Preceding unsigned comment added by White Spider Shadow (talk • contribs) 19:51, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding Statement by NekoKatsun:

I do not believe that requesting to bring the article to the standard worded in RFC is disruptive. Neither do I believe that an edit should be judged based on the editor's previous actions, as opposed to the edit itself.

Reopening the request certainly can be criticized, but since it was immediately reverted by a different editor, I don't think any harm was done by it.

The comment about reliability of Law360 is exactly what I asked for in my request, and it was not posted by the respondents. That's why I stated, and stand by my point, that it had not been addressed by the respondents. (Not going to discuss the other point in details, since, while I believe it, too, was not addressed, it relates to the EC-protected topic).

I also see no practical point in topic-banning a non-EC editor from an EC-protected topic that has been closed to discussion by non-EC editors for a while now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by White Spider Shadow (talk • contribs) 21:14, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Certainly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MilesVorkosigan#c-MilesVorkosigan-20250902194100-White_Spider_Shadow-20250902193700 White Spider Shadow (talk) 19:34, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That was the reason why I wrote that they lied about me, in the instance mentioned by Aquillion. I think you'll agree that it's not a claim to be merely shrugged off. White Spider Shadow (talk) 02:16, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding Statement by Aquillion:

The claims about my edits at the Zak Smith talk page seem to be manipulative. A) The editor whose behaviour I had addressed had since admitted that their claims about me were baseless, and agreed to remove them. I can provide the diffs if necessary, though I consider the conflict resolved. B) Those edits have no relation to the current request, and no action against me was taken when they were made, despite the Talk page being quite active at the time, with some administrators participating in one way or another. White Spider Shadow (talk) 02:26, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by NekoKatsun

You must be logged-in and extended-confirmed to edit or discuss this topic on any page (except for making edit requests, provided they are not disruptive) (emphasis mine). WSS is the fifth most prolific editor of the Zak Smith talk page, with a whopping 73 edits since August 21. Given this, and their repeated attempts at escalation to admins and arbitrators, I would consider this request disruptive - especially reopening it with no comment at all in the edit summary or on the article's talkpage.

Stating that their reasons for the edit request were not addressed is disingenuous at best. The respondents clearly explained why their removal of text is not appropriate given the outcome of the previous RfC. Also, a simple search for Law360 on the Reliable Sources Noticeboard turns up three different topics, one specifically about BLPs, all agreeing on reliability. "I was unable to find information" implies that they looked, so I'm a little curious as to how WSS missed the most basic of resources here.

The vibe I'm getting is that this discussion didn't go the way they want, and there's a refusal to accept that (via continual challenges on technicalities and the picking of nits). At this point I can't help but suggest a topic ban at the very least; Wikipedia is built on collaboration and consensus, and while they may be a great editor for other articles, it may be best if they keep away from this one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NekoKatsun (talk • contribs) 20:52, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@White Spider Shadow: I actually would like to see your mentioned diffs regarding "A) The editor whose behaviour I had addressed had since admitted that their claims about me were baseless, and agreed to remove them." Also, with all due respect, I believe that the diffs provided by Aquillion (and Aquillion, please let me know if I'm misinterpreting) are intended to demonstrate that "the current request" is not an isolated one-off - it (the request) cannot be considered in a void. The issue is not if this specific request is a problem, it's if this request is indicative of a continuing and/or escalating pattern of behavior on your part. NekoKatsun (nyaa) 17:33, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! "...[a]dmitted that their claims about me were baseless, and agreed to remove them" is a very generous interpretation - the user in question, MilesVorkosigan, agreed to "stop pointing out that you're supporting a sex creep, you're correct that I don't have explicit evidence that you're doing it on purpose" and struck through a portion of a comment on the article talkpage. Regardless, I appreciate the clarification. NekoKatsun (nyaa) 21:54, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by CoffeeCrumbs

I think the infraction here is pretty clear-cut. The edit request was answered; the proper thing to have done would have been to ask for clarification, not simply reverted the decline. And the edit request wasn't a particularly good one. Simply not being disruptive isn't enough; an edit request must be non-controversial or be a modification that includes an agreed-upon consensus. Children Will Listen's comment, specifically invoked for the edit request decline, directly stated that there was no agreed-upon consensus.

This being said, I personally feel a warning would be sufficient. While I share the community's unhappiness about the brigading that has taken a real toll on this topic and been a drain on the community's time and patience, this isn't a particularly egregious violation. In addition, I think WSS's behavior reflects a good faith attempt to try and follow the EC policy: they immediately stopped discussing Zak Smith once it became EC-restricted. Unlike many other involved editors, they've also edited on many topics unrelated to Smith, and edited other articles on completely unrelated articles since the EC restrictions.

Anything more, I feel, would be needlessly punitive. I think this editor's history indicates that they're unlikely to intentionally repeat this less-than-ideal edit request interaction. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 17:32, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Aquillion

For context, between their first contribution to the recent controversy at Talk:Zak Smith and the page getting an extended-confirmed restriction a little over a month later, White Spider Shadow posted 71 times on the page, around 12% of the total. This continued even after an RFC intended to settle the issue; in fact, the extended-confirmed protection itself was imposed after White Spider Shadow went to ArbCom after the RFC, effectively asking them to overturn it.

Those edits included accusing editors of lying [21] and general incivility or presumptions of bad faith: [22][23][24][25]. Much of their replies were also repetitive or sealioning, eg. [26][27][28].

More examples of the repetition: [29][30][31][32] [33] [34] [35][36][37] - honestly this was the worst part; they stubbornly refused to WP:DROPTHESTICK, despite multiple RFCs reaching the same conclusion, despite dragging the matter to ArbCom and getting a result that functionally removed them from the page, and despite having almost no new arguments, they'd just constantly repeat the same thing over and over and over, demanding that everyone answer their questions to their satisfaction.

A topic-ban from Zak Smith seems like the bare minimum, especially since in retrospect (looking at contribution numbers, and keeping in mind the most prolific contributor in that timeframe was already topic-banned) the extended-confirmed restriction can reasonably be described as having removed White Spider Shadow specifically from the article's talk page. --Aquillion (talk) 22:27, 29 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by (username)

Result concerning White Spider Shadow

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Cinaroot

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Requests may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.

Request concerning Cinaroot

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Nehushtani (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 18:42, 29 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Cinaroot (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced: WP:1RR

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

03:24, 22 November 2025 - Edit including removing material, which is considered a revert.
07:19, 22 November 2025 - 1RR violation
02:00, 23 November 2025 - 1RR violation
I asked them on their talk page to revert, they insisted that it was not a violation, after I and another user told them that it was indeed a violation, they admitted that the third revert was a violation but still refused to revert. I asked them a third time and said that if they did not revert, I would take it to AE, but they have yet to revert.
09:24, 29 November 2025 - They wrote a statement against me on a complaint I had filed in AE against another user and claimed to be "un-involved". They were in fact uninvolved in the dispute that they were writing about, but they should have disclosed that we were involved in a dispute in the talk page, and I do not believe this was a coincidence.
6 November 2025 They tagged only "people they like" on a talk page discussion. I warned them on 6 November 2025 and another user warned them for the same edit on 7 November 2025 for WP:CANVASSING. While it may technically not be a violation since it was an informal discussion, it seems inappropriate to tag only certain users to a followup on a discussion on a contreversial topic.

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

Not applicable.

If contentious topics restrictions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:CTOP#Awareness of contentious topics)

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Additional comments by editor filing complaint

@Newslinger - The first edit from 03:24, 22 November 2025 is a revert of this edit from 00:00, 10 November 2025, where @Cinaroot removed the two paragraphs previously added in the previous edit. Nehushtani (talk) 07:00, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Cinaroot - The claim that this filing is retaliatory is incorrect considering that I told you the day before 08:34, 28 November 2025 that "This is the third and last time I will ask you. If you do not revert, I will have no choice but to take it to AE." Your support for إيان was only after this warning. Nehushtani (talk) 07:24, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Newslinger - There is an ongoing talk page discussion about whether to include the phrase in question. As per WP:ONUS, it should not be included in the article until there is consensus. Cinaroot violated 1RR to restore the contested content, violating both 1RR and ONUS, it was removed by Coining at 15:37, 23 November 2025, and then restored by M.Bitton less than an hour later at 16:15, 23 November 2025; this is the version that currently stands. Cinaroot wrote on 06:08, 28 November 2025 that "I do not believe it is appropriate to revert it solely to comply with 1RR, as that would only create further disruption." But on the contrary, the disruptive behavior is that of the editors who were violating WP:ONUS and edit warring contested material despite an ongoing discussion.

Either way, now that we have determined on 01:38, 3 December 2025 that the first edit at 03:24, 22 November 2025 was considered a revert, the second revert at 07:19, 22 November 2025 was only self-reverted at 02:54, 3 December 2025, after I had opened this case. Nehushtani (talk) 08:04, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Newslinger - Can you please clarify where the line is between WP:TITFORTAT and asking somebody to revert their 1RR violation? I simply saw that @Cinaroot had violated 1RR in their original third edit, and I asked them to revert. Does the fact that another pair of editors had reverted and restored the contested version in between mean that it is no longer a 1RR violation that they're supposed to revert? Or does that mean the person restoring the contested content is responsible for edit warring? Thanks in advance for the clarification! Nehushtani (talk) 09:37, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Newslinger - Thank you for your explanation here. I did not realise that and I will be careful about this in the future. Nehushtani (talk) 10:27, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@M.Bitton - My understanding is that ONUS applies whenever there is an ongoing discussion. And in this case, there was no stable content; it had been edit warred in and out several times over the previous week. As far as I know, restoring disputed content that has been removed multiple times, without achieving consensus is a textbook case of edit warring. Nehushtani (talk) 12:03, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Cinaroot - please stop casting aspersions on me. I have had Al Jazeera on my watchlist for a long time, and the fact that I reverted you was totally coincidental and unrelated to this AE case. You then asked me to participate at the talk page, so I added sources in the discussion there. Please assume good faith. Also tagging @Newslinger because they were tagged below on the accusation. Nehushtani (talk) 06:24, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

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Discussion concerning Cinaroot

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Statement by Cinaroot

Cinaroot's statement contains 681 words and is within 10% of the 650-word limit.

Extension granted to 650 words. — Newslinger talk 21:07, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nehushtani appears to be attempting to weaponize AE and target editor(s) they disapprove. The 1RR issue cited here is between Originalcola and myself, not Nehushtani. Nehushtani was not involved in the discussion on the article talk page — where I clearly stated that Originalcola was free to revert me. Originalcola also explicitly responded with Ideally I’d like you to self-revert, but if you don’t see this that’s fine

After Nehushtani targeted me and inserted themselves into the situation on my talk, I again asked Originalcola on my talk page whether they wished for me to self-revert. Their reply was: I am not entirely sure if you need to self-revert the third revert, right? — which confirms that there was no clear expectation that I revert myself. Another reason I did not revert is that multiple editors had already reverted it [38] [39], and a talk-page discussion was underway. Reverting again would only have led to further disruption and 1RR policy shouldn’t be applied through an overly rigid or literal interpretation without considering the underlying principles and context.

I also do not think my first edit qualifies as a revert. I asked about in admin noticeboard. No one has responded. Edit_or_Revert Removing or relocating content can be a normal part of editing, and in this case the purpose was to create a new section while retaining most of the material from the original one.

Regarding the statement i made in the case against إيان: I am indeed an uninvolved editor, as I was not part of that dispute. I did participated in the RfC today, after submitting my statement. My dispute with Nehushtani does not prohibit me from making a statement on any AE and nor does it relate to AE against إيان. There is no requirement that you must disclose all prior disputes or disagreements with another editor in unrelated discussions. My statements here are in good faith.

The canvassing accusation is baseless. It was an informal discussion that could not result in any change to the Contentious topic article title. I am free to notify or tag any editors I choose, as I have already explained here and here. Please also note that - i tagged 2 editors who opposed and supported from previous discussion. Cinaroot (talk) 20:47, 29 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@BlookyNapsta You were currently involved in the dispute with إيان and engaged in an edit war with them. Yet you submitted a statement about me without disclosing that involvement, while also arguing that I should have disclosed my active dispute with Nehushtani when I commented in support of إيان. Should the same disclosure standard not apply to you as well? Cinaroot (talk) 19:18, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Originalcola I only formed the view that Nehushtani is weaponizing AE after they filed the request against me — not before. My statement in support of إيان was made prior to the AE request concerning me. Cinaroot (talk) 19:39, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Newslinger In this edit, Nehushtani stated that I “didn’t tag any pro-Israel editors,” which implies that the editors I did notify are “pro-Palestinian.” In another edit, they accused a different editor of “taking the pro-Palestinian side.” Assigning political identities to editors is inappropriate in ARBPIA, constitutes a personal attack, and violates WP:AGF and WP:ASPERSIONS.

Furthermore, they opened an AE request against me immediately after I expressed support for إيان, and 6 days after my 1RR violation and after i agreed to self revert. The timing makes the filing appear retaliatory rather than a neutral enforcement action. Cinaroot (talk) 07:00, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Newslinger Nehushtani is engaged in WP:HOUND - See talk Cinaroot (talk) 19:01, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Newslinger Can I have more words? Nehushtani has now used 800 words. Why are they not respecting the 500-word limit? Cinaroot (talk) 07:06, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Metallurgist Please do not allege serious conduct issues like POV-pushing without providing solid evidence. Impressions based on my poor choice of words and insinuations are not valid evidence.

Admins are reminded to avoid unwarranted or disproportionate sanctions based on unsupported claims. Cinaroot (talk) 07:16, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Out of the ~25 people who opposed - at least 10 opposed as per @Cdjp1 So my decision to tag @Cdjp1 is also based on weight. Cinaroot (talk) 07:36, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

1RR violation reverted here Cinaroot (talk) 02:56, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by BlookyNapsta

Violating 1RR is an affront to the community as a whole. It is not averted when the party being reverted agrees for the revert to stand, much less when they say that they would prefer that the offending editor reverts. Similarly, the claim that Nehushtani isn't a party in this dispute is misplaced, since 1RR is a community standard and not a method for resolving disputes between specific editors. Cinaroot should have self-reverted as soon as they were informed of the violation, and that they didn't should be grounds for sanctions.

Regarding "weaponizing AE" - If legitimate CTOP violations brought to AE are labeled as "weaponizing", we are in big trouble.

The other two edits may not have been technical violations of policy, but they add to the evidence that Cinaroot should not be participating in in CTOP if this is reflective of their behavior. Pinging only editors who share similar views on the IP conflict to a follow up discussion is inappropriate, as is writing a note on AE against an editor with whom that they are currently in the middle of a dispute without disclosing that. BlookyNapsta (talk) 13:08, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@M.Bitton - @Cinaroot violated 1RR while also adding contested content which is still under discussion. Wikipedia:ONUS states that "The responsibility for achieving consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content." In keeping with the combination of Wikipedia:1RR and Wikipedia:ONUS, I believe that they should revert - as in, remove the content in question, which currently appears in the article - until there is a clear consensus to include it, and your own restoration of this disputed content is in itself edit warring. BlookyNapsta (talk) 08:37, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Valereee - Can you please explain how a two-week long ban would solve something that a week ban did not? BlookyNapsta (talk) 13:55, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by M.Bitton

@BlookyNapsta: given that Cinaroot was informed of the violation long after their edit was reverted, I don't see how they could have "self-reverted". M.Bitton (talk) 15:01, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@BlookyNapsta: since self-reverting means reverting one's edit and not someone else's, asking them to "self-revert" in this instance is akin to asking them to edit war (a request that should be ignored). As for the stable content: it's there because someone else restored what was removed without a valid reason. M.Bitton (talk) 13:24, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Originalcola: you only pointed out the violation after their revert had been reverted. M.Bitton (talk) 21:43, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Newslinger and Nehushtani: my understanding of WP:ONUS is that it doesn't apply to sourced stable content (i.e., content that already has implicit consensus). If it did, editors would blank anything they dislike and cite it as a reason. M.Bitton (talk) 11:49, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Nehushtani: not only was the content stable, but the reason given for its removal was based on a misunderstanding of an unrelated discussion. M.Bitton (talk) 12:10, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Newslinger: that sentence was added before Cinaroot's edit on the 8th of November. While the editors keep fiddling with he wording, more or less the same sentence can be seen in the 7 October 2025 permanent link. M.Bitton (talk) 18:08, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Cdjp1

As I am involved in the claimed canvassing by Cinaroot, having been tagged by them, I have to say, it doesn't seem to be a clear cut case of potential canvassing. The discussion that Cinaroot started on the talk page for the article (Open (Transparency)) was an informal discussion about a future potential RfC. This informal discussion was off the back of a previous RM started by Cinaroot to rename the article, which saw a conclusion that the article would not be moved to Cinaroot's suggested new title. As most people who opposed this specific move were open to and even suggested potential alternate move targets, Cinaroot wanted to explore potential alternatives further before starting any more formal process in the future. In this informal discussion Cinaroot chose to tag four people from the previous RM for potential input. Of these four people, two had supported the move, and two had opposed it (including myself). As can be seen in the archived discussion, I was strongly against the suggested move. So while picking people [you] like may indicate partisanship (Partisan (Audience)), the choice to pick an equal amount of individuals who supported your position and opposed it, suggests the opposite (Nonpartisan (Audience)). The last two categories we have at WP:CANVASSING for an inappropriate notification on Scale and Message I also don't think are inappropriate as it was the single message on the article talk page (Limited posting), and while the message that is the start of the informal discussion details the bias that is Cinaroot's position, Cinaroot is explicit that this is their opinion, and they want input from others as to what potential future formal discussions could be (Neutral (Message)). -- Cdjp1 (talk) 16:13, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Originalcola

I find the assertion that this is an issue between 2 editors to be extremely misleading, given that he had also reverted the edit of @IOHANNVSVERVS in his first WP:1RR violation. The issue involving me specifcally refers to his reversion of a revert that I had made on the page following [a discussion on the Gaza Genocide talk page]. I am still unsure about what the resolution of the discussion was meant to be, or if it was an RfC or not. The mod who had closed the discussion offered to give an explanation but was injured in a car crash and unable to respond to comments as a result, and many editors who were not involved in the original discussion suggested that the conclusion of the discussion differed from what I thought it was which left me confused.

The editor proposed that I could revert their edit in their edit summary and in the talk page. I had not noticed at the time that they had made multiple reverts in a 24 hour time period, so I did not initially insist that they self-revert in the talk page. I was kind of taken aback when they suggested that I should revert their edit and break the WP:1RR myself, which made me think that the request was not sincere. When I was asked again I stated that they should've done so earlier and that I was presently not sure if they needed to revert given that intermediate edits had been made since then. Cinaroot did say that he would revert the edit if I made an explicit request, but this shouldn't have occurred to begin with. I stated that they should have reverted as soon as it was pointed out to them(by both me on the talk page and Nehustani) that they had broken WP:1RR, stating i don't see a point in reverting it just for the sake of 1RR and that While we should follow these rules, it’s equally important to understand why those rules exist. Policies shouldn’t be applied through an overly rigid or literal interpretation without considering the underlying principles. This is also not the only time that this editor has broken the WP:1RR on this page, as they did so around one month prior: [40] [41] [42]. The justification that was given to me when I raised this concern was that the content was removed as part of talk discussions. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gaza_genocide/Archive_20#Are_protest_images_relevant_here?, but this is only not true for all the content removed but also irrelevant to this issue.

I also find it concerning that they claimed to be an uninvolved editor in another AE, which seems to be directly contradicted by the seperate claim that Nehushtani appears to be attempting to weaponize AE and target editor(s) they disapprove. The fact that they held this view after earlier claiming to have accidently violated WP:1RR is weird, since it appears to be an extreme assumption of bad faith towards Nehushtani. Either way they should not have portrayed themselves as uninvolved given that the 2 editors were involved in a dispute. Originalcola (talk) 22:18, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@M.Bitton - But you then reverted the revert of their revert didn't you? His second edit also wasn't reverted and could've been when I pointed it out. Originalcola (talk) 23:29, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Metallurgist

Cinaroot has seemed to be POV pushing and trying to force their views onto articles all over PIA, which has been concerning. They seem heavily focused on that area to the point of bordering on WP:SPA. The instance where I felt they were canvassing was not directly canvassing for support, but did give an unsavory appearance. Even tagging for and against, they still mentioned tagging editors they liked, which was selective and entirely unnecessary. I did agree with the discussion proposal, but to not include all involved editors is disingenuous. I would have made it myself, but I knew it would involve tagging a large number of people. In light of that, it would have been best to just tag no one. Im also wondering why they archived the entire talkpage of Palestinian genocide accusation [43] [44] [45]. As it is, that issue is still unresolved. The RFC on Israel also looks like an attempt at POV pushing. In a lot of these cases, what they want is already mentioned, and they are trying to push it further along beyond what is reasonable. I think some sort of PIA restriction for awhile might be in order, at least to see if they are willing to broaden their contributions. ← Metallurgist (talk) 06:16, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Sean.hoyland I had the same thought of looking into edit counts and it is indeed somewhat difficult to evaluate. But I noticed the top edited pages include Gaza genocide, Al Jazeera Media Network, Palestine, Gaza war, al Jazeera English, List of companies involved in the Gaza war. What did you use for those percentages? Feel free to reply on my TP to save words. ← Metallurgist (talk) 20:15, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Sean.hoyland

re: They seem heavily focused on that area to the point of bordering on WP:SPA. 'seem' is probably not very reliable. I don't know how to test whether an account qualifies as single purpose, but we can label revisions and count them. If you do that for Cinaroot using the strictest possible model of the topic area, pages where ECR applies to the entire page (and talk page), Cinaroot has made 32.3% of their post-extendedconfirmed edits in the topic area. A few comparisons for interest: Originalcola: 37.4%, Nehushtani: 24.3%, BlookyNapsta: 16.3%, Cdjp1: 7.4%. I am an SPA, as it states on my user page, or at least that is my intent, to only carry out PIA related actions, and my post-extendedconfirmed percentage is 55%. Metallurgist, you are 17.3% for interest. These are all undercounts somewhat in that they don't include edits to pages only partly covered by ECR, but it gives you some idea of the numbers. Sean.hoyland (talk) 07:46, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Iljhgtn

I worked with Cinaroot on Elon Musk and found them to be a thoughtful and helpful editor. Couldn’t just a warning be sufficient here? This seems purely punitive with no clear benefit to the encyclopedia. Iljhgtn (talk) 07:20, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by (username)

Result concerning Cinaroot

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.

@Nehushtani: Could you identify the original edit for which the 03:24, 22 November 2025, diff would be considered a revert of? — Newslinger talk 18:19, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Nehushtani: At ~~08:34, 28 November 2025~~ 07:28, 28 November 2025, why did you tell Cinaroot that "If you do not revert, I will have no choice but to take it to AE", when Cinaroot's "third edit" at 02:00, 23 November 2025, had already been reverted by another editor at 15:37, 23 November 2025? — Newslinger talk 01:38, 3 December 2025 (UTC) Fixed diff — Newslinger talk 09:22, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  - @Nehushtani: Based on your response, your comment at 07:28, 28 November 2025, told Cinaroot that you would file an AE case against Cinaroot if Cinaroot did not revert content that was most recently restored by M.Bitton at 16:15, 23 November 2025. That comment crossed the line into tit-for-tat behavior and was inappropriate. If you wanted to have the content removed from the article, you should have asked Cinaroot without tying your request to a potential filing of an AE report, asked M.Bitton to remove the content, or participated in the discussion at Talk:Gaza genocide § Result of the previous RfC yourself. This problem is limited to your demand for Cinaroot to revert their "third edit", not their second. — Newslinger talk 09:22, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    - @Nehushtani: We have identified that Cinaroot's first edit (03:24, 22 November 2025) is a partial revert, so it was acceptable for you to tell Cinaroot that you would file an AE report against them if they did not undo their second revert (07:19, 22 November 2025), because that second revert violated WP:1RR and was still present in the article at the time of your comment. However, it is not acceptable to tell an editor that you will file an AE report against them unless they undo someone else's edit. Cinaroot's third edit (02:00, 23 November 2025) had already been reverted by another editor when you posted the comment, which means that Cinaroot was no longer obligated to remove the content at that point, despite it still being another WP:1RR violation. The content was then restored by M.Bitton, who assumes responsibility for the content. ~~M.Bitton's restoration of the disputed content was not compliant with WP:ONUS~~, but that is out of the scope of this enforcement request ("The scope of a discussion is limited to the conduct of two parties: the filer and the user being reported"). — Newslinger talk 10:13, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
      - Correction: I retracted my comment about WP:ONUS, because the content restored in Cinaroot's third revert ~~was originally added by Cinaroot at 04:31, 8 November 2025, before it~~ underwent a series of changes by three other editors at 15:28, 8 November 2025; 02:45, 9 November 2025; and 20:53, 10 November 2025. Per the edit summary of that second change, the statement was discussed at Talk:Gaza genocide/Archive 32 § Israel's denial of genocide in lede, so WP:ONUS may have been satisfied for this content. M.Bitton's editing history is outside the scope of this enforcement request, so I have not examined it closely. — Newslinger talk 17:48, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
        @M.Bitton: Corrected again. I have traced the content addition slightly further back to this 22:04, 5 October 2025, edit by another editor. Based on the age of this content and the fact that it had been discussed on the talk page, I would consider WP:ONUS to be met, although I am noting this observation solely to ensure that the record here is accurate, as it is of limited relevance to this enforcement request. — Newslinger talk 18:27, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Cinaroot: There is no need to specify whether you are "un-involved" when you are offering a statement in a "Discussion concerning..." section on this noticeboard (as done in your 09:24, 29 November 2025, edit), because it makes no difference to the result. — Newslinger talk 18:19, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Cinaroot: Your word limit has been extended to 650 words to allow you to substantiate your claim. — Newslinger talk 21:07, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Cinaroot: I consider your edit at 03:24, 22 November 2025 to be a revert of another editor's edit at 00:00, 10 November 2025, regardless of the extent to which you agree or disagree with the content in the latter edit. When you remove content from an article covered by the one-revert rule, you need to refrain from further content removals on that article for 24 hours. See Wikipedia:Reverting for examples of what is commonly considered a revert and what is not. — Newslinger talk 01:38, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Noting user talk page discussion at User talk:Newslinger#AE - revert for the record. — Newslinger talk 02:09, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Cinaroot: Pinging only four editors in your 07:32, 6 November 2025, edit was inappropriate. This is mitigated by your selection of two editors who supported and two editors who opposed the move request at Talk:Palestinian genocide accusation/Archive 3 § Requested move 26 September 2025, which is proportional to the "~28 editors" who supported and "~28 editors" who opposed the move request (per the closing summary). Nevertheless, whether you "like" an editor is not a neutral criterion for selecting editors to ping. If you wish to ping editors who participated in a related discussion, you should ideally ping all of the editors or none at all. — Newslinger talk 09:22, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Metallurgist: In Talk:Israel § RfC: Whether to state that Israel has committed genocide against Palestinians, although you posted a comment with "Strong oppose" in boldface, other editors expressed a range of views including both support and opposition in considerable volumes. In light of this, why do you believe Cinaroot's creation of the request for comment is "an attempt at POV pushing" that supports a sanction to curtail Cinaroot's editing in the topic area? — Newslinger talk 01:30, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ditto here about the the participation restriction. Literally commenters are discussing amongst themselves. Sorry if I'm sticking my oar in unhelpfully. I just feel like you're working really hard here, Newslinger. Valereee (talk) 10:44, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No more from anyone except the subject and filer per this. Cinaroot and Nehushtani, no more responding to anyone but admins working here who ask you a question. No further additional words will be granted except to answer questions from admins. Any uninvolved admin should feel free to adjust this. Valereee (talk) 12:53, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Anyone who wants to ask a question about this, please do it at talk and ping me. Valereee (talk) 13:03, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I'm proposing a two-week block of Cinaroot for violating 1RR, as they've previously been blocked for a week for the same issue. I will wait for other admins to chime in. Valereee (talk) 13:23, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@BlookyNapsta, this discussion is also participation restricted. Valereee (talk) 14:00, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Easternsahara

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Request concerning Easternsahara

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Denisaptr (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 10:20, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Easternsahara (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced: WP:ARBPIA5

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

WP:Battleground. 3 December 2025 Easternsahara used the word "victims", with quotation marks, to refer to the Israeli hostages who were sexually assaulted while in captivity. Following this, 3 December 2025 I wrote a message on their talk page, asking for clarification regarding the use of the quotation marks. But rather than responding, on 3 December 2025 they erased the message, writing in their edit summary that it "was debunked in 2024 (url) will be debunked again. this is wartime propaganda." They totally ignored the fact that this article debunks specific cases, not the fact that sexual violence was carried out against Israelis on October 7. Alongside the statement that this is "wartime propaganda", which is an example for offensive WP:BATTLEGROUND, the claim that it "will be debunked again" is WP:CRYSTAL.
WP:Bludgeoning: together with the above example, Easternsahara engages frequently in bludgeoning, responding to other editors who are of different opinion of theirs, sometimes aggressively: At Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Sexual_and_gender-based_violence_against_Israeli_hostages_during_the_Gaza_war: 30 November 2025, 1 December 2025, 3 December 2025, and again, at Talk:Israel: 10 November 2025, 10 November 2025, 19 November 2025. On 2 December 2025, one editor asked Easternsahara on their talk page to stop bludgeoning, and on 2 December 2025 they denied that their behavior was bludgeoning.
Abusive behavior: On 30 November 2025, they told an editor their RfC statement was "packaged in ai slop".
POV pushing: On 05:15, 26 November 2025, they rewrote the first sentence of Muslim supporters of Israel: deleting the neutral "both Muslims and cultural Muslims who support the right to self-determination of the Jewish people and the likewise existence of a Jewish homeland in the Southern Levant" and replacing it with "Muslim supporters of Israel support the continued colonization of the Palestine region."
Assuming bad faith during an RfC: 10 November 2025, 10 November 2025
Removing content. On 30 November 2025, they removed a lot of sourced content. Some of it was policy based, as explained in the edit summary, but other parts seem to just be removing sourced content because they don't like it. Also, as far as I know, Ynet is not considered an unreliable source.
Support of Hezbollah: As a tag on their user page makes clear, they support Hezbollah, which is considered a terrorist organization in the US, Canada, UK, Germany, Israel, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain, and many Latin American and European countries. The tag also makes it clear they support the use of violence.

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

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The editor wrote on their talk page [46]:" "This user is aware of the designation of the following as contentious topics: ... the Arab–Israeli conflict."

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

@Easternsahara: In the diff cited where you removed from the Jerusalem Post, you also removed a section about Amit Soussana from the NYTimes without any explanation. There was nothing debunked about this specific testimony. Denisaptr (talk) 07:49, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

[47]

Discussion concerning Easternsahara

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Statement by Easternsahara

Easternsahara's statement contains 601 words and exceeds the 500-word limit.

WP:CRYSTAL does not apply directly to talk pages. WP:BATTLE is also irrelevant since I wasn't uncivil to you by putting victims in quotations. I did remove it from my talk page because it was not about the discussion that we were having.
I do not see how my behavior at Talk:Israel is bludgeoning, perhaps you were trying to say it was rude? I just found it suspicious that an editor would not edit in quite a while, only to vote in a RfC. As for the AfD, this was bludgeoning and I do agree that I shouldn't have done that.
That is clearly AI-generated WP:AISIGNS, WP:DUCKTEST. Also, I am not saying that the editor is bad, simply that their statement is.
This seems to be a content dispute and, as such, is inappropriate for AE. My edit was reverted and I was including information already on the zionism page. My edit was unjustified because I did not request consensus beforehand and did not include material that supported my claims in the body first.
This was simply a question, which was not phrased in an accusatory way either
WP:JERUSALEMPOST: "It should be used as a source for the Israeli–Palestinian conflict only to cite basic facts or if its reporting is validated by additional reporting from another source not similarly limited." I do not think that the statement it was backing up was either of these things. As for Ynet, there are no formal RSP discussions that have taken place, but that doesn't matter either because that was also older and reported on the case that the PBS article debunked. "removing sourced content because they don't like" where is this? As you have brought up points on civilty and WP:AGF, surely you would at least cite diffs for this?
This was discussed at WP:ANI Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive375#Clear references to Hezbollah in a userbox, here. Simply bringing this up without anything new, not raised at the ANI, disrespects the time of editors.
As for the redirects, I was creating redirects from related topics to rhetoric (including language) that delegitimized Israel. As Rosguil mentions, this can not be interpreted as condoning the use of them. Whether these were good redirects or not isn't relevant, as it is not enough for a topic ban to create bad redirects.
TLC mentions that I am asserting that JP is wholly unreliable for such topic, but my statement must be read in the context that I wrote it: while I was removing content sourced by it. Was this due? Yes, as aforementioned, WP:JERUSALEMPOST says "It should be used as a source for the Israeli–Palestinian conflict only to cite basic facts or if its reporting is validated by additional reporting from another source not similarly limited". I don't think it was doing this here. One out-of-context statement leading to POV-pushing is a lot to extrapolate to. As for the Muslim supporters of Israel page, I have already mentioned that I should've included this information in the body before the lead, but I don't think this is enough for a topic ban.

User:Easternsahara_{review this} 02:11, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

TLC, I did say that but either ways JP shouldn't have been used in that context right? User:Easternsahara_{review this} 02:29, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Newslinger: I noticed that you have given word-count increases to two other editors, could you also give me an extension to 800 words? User:Easternsahara_{review this} 05:05, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also regarding Longhornsg, I followed WP:RNEUTRAL by tagging all the redirects with non-neutral name, they are at RfD because they are not explicitly discussed on the section I retargetted them to. The last part of your argument is an appeal to authority. User:Easternsahara_{review this} 05:05, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by 45dogs

This thread at AN may be relevant to the userbox issue. 45dogs (they/them) (talk page) 22:09, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Longhornsg

Editing with a POV is fine. It's how we ensure WP:NPOV. And this is not the proper venue to relitigate the userbox in question. However, ES's repeated violations of WP:NOTFORUM are disruptive. Comments like this are unacceptable in this topic area. The creation of redirects using offensive terms (mindful of WP:RNEUTRAL) ([48], [49], [50]) only found on social media is unhelpful. This is not how we ensure this topic area is civil. We've TBANed for less. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Longhornsg (talk • contribs) 01:59, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by IOHANNVSVERVS

I think you included the wrong link/diff for "they also rewrote the lead of another article". IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 02:24, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Theleekycauldron. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 02:25, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

my bad, fixed! theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 02:30, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Tiamut

Just returned to Wikipedia after a very long hiatus. Don't know Easternsahara from before but can see they are doing good work like this, among many other positive and high quality contributions. Reviewing the evidence here, I see only one, possible two problematic content edits, on separate articles, with no consistently disruptive behaviour. Having strong political opinions is not disruptive in itself. Many people editing articles related to I/P have them and are not as forthright about them but still engaging in very disruptive editing unimpeded. Tiamut (talk) 10:36, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Valereee: Think Easternsahara's request for more words is well explained in the request itself. For parity, as two of those making claims have been given word extensions and party would require it no? Tiamut (talk) 16:10, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Theleekycauldron: Jerusalem Post does do propaganda for Israel. A lot of media produce propaganda actually, including the New York Times. Media is never bias free. And saying that does not warrant a topic ban. Editing the source out once while saying that doesn't either. Nothing presented here shows an inability on tbe part of Easternsahara to be cooperative or collaborate. We need more editors with diligence and passion, and self-awareness.Tiamut (talk) 17:06, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Result concerning Easternsahara

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Noting that I have deleted two of the three redirects listed by Longhornsg under G4 as recreations of redirects deleted by consensus at RfD. If any editor believes these redirects should exist, the correct venue to overturn that consensus is probably DRV. Toadspike [Talk] 23:45, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have also RfD'd the other redirect and removed Easternsahara from the redirect autopatrol list. Toadspike [Talk] 23:50, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Correction: Rosguill pointed out that since the targets of these redirects have changed since they were deleted, G4 does not apply. I have reversed the speedy deletions and instead taken them all to RfD. Toadspike [Talk] 00:01, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Commenting narrowly on the redirects at this time since I've inadvertently engaged with that aspect of this case: my first impression was that a redirect from anti-Israel pejoratives to Legitimacy of the State of Israel#Rhetoric of delegitimization could well be warranted and relevant; having now read over that specific article section, I don't think these were appropriate redirects given that this sort of pejorative really isn't discussed in the target section. That having been said, given that the section in question does nevertheless extensively discuss negative impacts of the use of pejorative and delegitimizing language, it seems unreasonable to presume that these edits comprise an endorsement for use of such terms by Easternsahara; if anything, such redirects would likely discourage readers from using those phrases. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 00:56, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The diffs here seem to indicate that Easternsahara edits with some pretty clear double standards. When it's info that's damaging to their "side", like using a source to establish basic background info in an article about how many Israeli hostages there are and when they were taken, they think that's SYNTH because it doesn't directly mention the topic at hand. Maybe reasonable, except they also rewrote the lead of another article to include some blatantly pro-Palestinian POV language backed by a spaghetti-at-the-wall-of-sources that, whaddya know, make no mention of the topic being written about. At least the Middle East Eye source actually backed up the content it was being used for. Also, Easternsahara clearly ignores content policy ways no editor could reasonably do unless they were POV pushing, like asserting that the Jerusalem Post is wholly unreliable in PIA when established consensus says no such thing. Combined with statements tangential to content that illustrate a clear desire to discredit one side without regard to RSes, I see no reason to support anything less than a topic ban. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 01:59, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That's quite the shift on Jerusalem Post from when you said it "should not be used by this article" because it has "a vested interested [sic] in creating propaganda for Israel". That's not at all specific to the content being supported, that is a blanket statement. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 02:19, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Easternsahara, why do you need an extension? You may have 25 words to explain why. Valereee (talk) 14:27, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Tiamut, "They got to talk more so I want to talk more" isn't really a compelling reason. We don't really need more words simply for the sake of more words. More words actually makes the job of workers here harder. What I'm looking for is "There are things that have been said about X that are inaccurate, and I'd like a chance to respond, I think I'll need 200 words". Valereee (talk) 16:43, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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