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Do any of these sources provide significant coverage of this topic?

See also: Wikipedia:Source assessment/JackSucksAtLife

At Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:JackSucksAtLife, the user Georgeykiwi stated that the now-deleted draft included a few reliable sources, but they were only mentioned by name. I recently asked for links to them and I received an answer really quickly, so here they are:

• "Inside Cameo's Stan Economy". GQ Magazine.
• "German Union IG Metall is Backing YouTubers Fighting Google". Bloomberg UK. August 14, 2019.
• "YouTuber Oszukal YouTube by Zdobyc Prestizowa Nagrode". Gry-Online.
• "YouTuber Ermogelt Sich Diamond Button". Gamestar.

If none of these sources constitute significant coverage of JackSucksAtLife, or the ones that do only cover him in the context of one event, then that would explain why they weren't enough to save the draft. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 13:37, 23 November 2025 (UTC)

GQ looks okay. I can't assess Bloomberg (walled). Gry-Online and Gamestar are about him exploiting YouTube to get an award he was not eligible for. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 16:57, 23 November 2025 (UTC)

{TCMdb}

{TCMdb} https://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/person/913841|41847/Dwain-Esper/

now redirect to https://www.tcm.com/

but they all say "powered by AFI"

so

https://catalog.afi.com/Person/41847-Dwain-Esper

exists

so, for all https://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/*

there is a https://catalog.afi.com/*

Piñanana (talk) 15:47, 24 November 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Piñanana. What is your question about Wikipedia? ColinFine (talk) 16:16, 24 November 2025 (UTC)

Piñanana I think the question here is whether a bot can change the tcmdb template so that instead of hitting a redirect at tcm, that it goes to the page at catalog.afi.com . A note has been added to Template talk:TCMDb title about something that may be similar, but I am not sure.Naraht (talk) 18:30, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

Nardog and Jonesey95 are the most recent editors on the template and may be able to help.Naraht (talk) 18:32, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, the TCMdb family of templates are hopelessly broken. I have tried to contact TCM a couple of times for help, but I have never received a response. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:30, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

Also Template:Screenonline name Template:Screenonline title Template:Screenonline TV title:

https://www.screenonline.org.uk/ is offline since August 29, 2025: https://web.archive.org/web/20250829200700/https://www.screenonline.org.uk/

but frequently archived since 2004, most recent is likely the best choice

thus, for: http://www.screenonline.org.uk/film/id/525318/index.html

https://web.archive.org/web/2/http://www.screenonline.org.uk/film/id/525318/index.html

Piñanana (talk) 18:24, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

Template:TCMDb name, Template:TCMDb title

for https://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/person/87065%7C10493/Alfred-Hitchcock :

https://web.archive.org/web/20240000000000/https://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/person/87065%7C10493/Alfred-Hitchcock

which gives the first https://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/person/87065%7C10493/Alfred-Hitchcock archived in 2024

https://web.archive.org/web/20250000000000/https://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/person/87065%7C10493/Alfred-Hitchcock

yields: https://www.tcm.com/unavailable

for https://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/title/30594/the-birds

& https://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/title/30594/The-Birds/ :

https://web.archive.org/web/20240000000000/https://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/title/30594/the-birds

https://web.archive.org/web/20250427134938/https://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/title/30594/The-Birds/

13:49:38 April 27, 2025 Got an HTTP 302 response at crawl time...Redirecting to...https://www.tcm.com/unavailable

thus adding a prefix of "https://web.archive.org/web/20240000000000/" to the current values of Template:TCMDb name and Template:TCMDb title seems a workable repair

Piñanana (talk) 19:19, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

{{tcmdb title|id=515251|Piccadilly }}

Piccadilly at the TCM Movie Database

https://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/title/515251/enwp fails

https://web.archive.org/web/20250610175444/https://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/title/515251/enwp

https://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/title/515251/Piccadilly works

https://web.archive.org/web/20210924010612/https://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/title/515251/piccadilly/ is the most recent workable archiving

Piñanana (talk) 22:45, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

donation

want to donate. don't like giving my $$/information over phone/devices? no cheques? ~2025-36559-07 (talk) 16:07, 26 November 2025 (UTC)

You may mail a paper check; please see https://wikimediafoundation.org/en/give/#ways-to-give 331dot (talk) 16:17, 26 November 2025 (UTC)

wikipedia, you keep asking me to support the site financially and give me an option to be sent a reminder by leaving me email. However, no one then follows it up by sending me an email. I often surf on my phone but avoid carrying out financial transactions on phone. How many donations are you missing out on by this failure on your part? ~2025-37705-20 (talk) 12:20, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

Notability of a place.

Hey,

Someone help me with how Pangli is notable to have an article? not offensive, I am a bit confused. The above village is in Chipwi Township, and the villages and towns listed in this article Chipwi Township have independent articles. So are all they notable to have separate article?. They all mostly single-line articles.

Please ping me when replying to this. So I can get notified. Thanks AlphaCore talk 22:31, 26 November 2025 (UTC)

@AlphaCore: articles on English Wikipedia will not always meet current notability guideline, particulary articles which are as old as Pangli, created in 2008 . I believe that the relevant guideline is WP:GEOLAND, which begins Populated, legally recognized places are typically presumed to be notable, even if their population is very low. I don't know if Pangli is legally recognised, so I don't know if it is notable. There is a current discussion on the guidance at Wikipedia talk:Notability (geographic features)/workshop. TSventon (talk) 23:34, 26 November 2025 (UTC)

Ah, the dreaded geostub. As per WP:NGEO WP:GEOLAND pretty much any town or village is notable enough for here, but 99% of these articles are forever one sentence stubs. There are many such examples for Iran and Germany. GarethBaloney (talk) 23:34, 26 November 2025 (UTC)

@AlphaCore I'm guessing that the discussion over "Who, and what, is notable?" must have been one of the biggest discussions in Wikipedia's history. And I'm guessing again, that no reasonable cut-off was found for declaring a place non-notable.

I myself come from a place that in my opinion is truly non-notable, and has no Wikipedia article. There is another place near it, even less notable, that does have an article, consisting of two sentences and a "citation needed" tag. Both sentences are boring. TooManyFingers (talk) 04:49, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

@GarethBaloney@TSventon@TooManyFingers Yeah thanks for all your replies. i was inactive couple of days. Yeah I was in a dilemma for this topic. I see many AfDs and most delete votes. But WHen I see these, I am not sure. Anyway going to the discussion.

Thank you :) AlphaCore talk 20:45, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

Author details

I am trying to locate the author details for the article on The last Judgement by Michelangelo ~2025-36913-42 (talk) 22:21, 27 November 2025 (UTC)

Articles generally do not have a single author. You may consult the article edit history, in this case, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Last_Judgment_(Michelangelo)&action=history 331dot (talk) 22:28, 27 November 2025 (UTC)

The article The Last Judgement (Michelangelo) was created by a user called Eyrian, according to its info page Athanelar (talk) 22:29, 27 November 2025 (UTC)

I assume you mean who contributed to our article The Last Judgment (Michelangelo)? - so far there have been 1,064 edits by 448 different editors. In order to see the full details you need to create an account and then look at the Page statistics at the Revision history of the page - best wishes - Arjayay (talk) 22:31, 27 November 2025 (UTC)

If you want to cite the article in an external work then see Wikipedia:Citing Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:52, 27 November 2025 (UTC)

In order to see the full details you need to create an account XTools does not consistently ask for a login in my experience - sometimes it does, while other times it lets me through even without logging in. I'm guessing it only does that if the server is overloaded. OutsideNormality (talk) 02:15, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

First Look Image

search "First Look Image" on wikipedia gives 244 Results

search "First Look Image" on internet gives Results about film-making or astronomy

how to document this noun ?

Piñanana (talk) 01:43, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

This page is for help with Wikipedia, not for help with language. It's possible that Wiktionary people may have something to say about it - I don't know.

My own opinion: this is not a noun, and it doesn't have any defined meaning. (except what is obvious from the definitions of the three separate words) TooManyFingers (talk) 03:48, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

A very small percentage of words (e.g. fuck) and longer strings (e.g. Honi soit qui mal y pense) are documented in Wikipedia. Vastly more are documented on Wiktionary. But if it's compositional (as TooManyFingers suggests), then it's not clear that it merits documenting any more than do "grubby old keyboard" or "East German film camera" or "overpriced wilting flowers". -- Hoary (talk) 04:49, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

@Piñanana The reason that "first-look image" (note hyphen) is a frequently-used term seems to be because it has a specialist meaning in the movie industry. For example this piece in Variety magazine. I doubt that it merits a specific article in Wikipedia. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:32, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

It might be mentioned in Film promotion. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:02, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

Thanks! I had no idea of this meaning. TooManyFingers (talk) 16:32, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

I have requested its addition to Wiktionary. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:33, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

The astronomy results are about First light (astronomy), but I don't think a redirect would be appropriate here. MKFI (talk) 14:56, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

redirect [[First light (astronomy)|First Look Image (astronomy)]]

redirect [[Film promotion|First-look image (film)]] "First Look Image"

also "photo call" is a film pre-release event

not trying to do an article, just to make a redirect to the appropriate topics

Piñanana (talk) 01:29, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

SHORTDESC

Wat is the function of

{{SHORTDESC:Main page of the English Wikipedia}}

? - Erik Baas (talk) 18:27, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

See WP:Short description. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:26, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Erik Baas! The {{Shortdesc}} is to provide a short description of the article. For example, the main page's short description is "Main page of the English Wikipedia". As @Pigsonthewing said, I would suggest reading WP:SHORTDESC for further information. dot.py (alt) 22:20, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

I see, thank you both. - Erik Baas (talk) 23:26, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

Sandbox

When I'm seeing the preview of my edit(s) on my sandbox, on top of it shows this message:

“This sandbox is in the article namespace. Either move this page into your userspace, or remove the User sandbox template”.

Do I supposed to do something with my sandbox? Vastmajority20025 (talk) 13:30, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

@Vastmajority20025: I don't see that in previews of User:Vastmajority20025/sandbox. Is it really there you see it? The tags on your edits indicate you use the Android Wikipedia app. Does it only happen in the app and not a browser? I don't have an Android device for testing. It doesn't happen for me in the iOS app or a browser. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:10, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

Yes @PrimeHunter, I tried it on pc, and since you said it's not showing itself on iOS, so it's only happening on Android. Vastmajority20025 (talk) 14:26, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

I suggest you report this at WP:VPT. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:45, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

@Vastmajority20025: What happens if you preview {{NAMESPACE}} at User:Vastmajority20025/sandbox in the Android App? It's supposed to say "User" there and be blank in an article. It's not a template (in spite of the similar syntax) but a variable in the software itself. If it's blank on a user page then it's the underlying cause of the problem in {{User sandbox}}. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:28, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: I replaced user sandbox template with {{NAMESPACE}} and the dialogue is gone, but now when I save the edit, it's just written user there. Vastmajority20025 (talk) 17:53, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

@Vastmajority20025: user is correct. If it also correctly said user (as opposed to nothing) in the Android App preview then I don't know what causes the template error there. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:46, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Indian Agricultural Research Institute

Special:Diff/1324786224

Reference help requested.

Thanks, Gutam2000 (talk) 16:25, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Gutam2000. I have "fixed" the reference problem by removing the section on the Alumni organisation. This is a WP:ROTM adjunct of many educational establishments, and doesn't merit a section in an article. , much less an mage of its logo. ColinFine (talk) 18:00, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

International Treaty Citation Format

What's the best citation format for international treaties? My guess is Template:Cite act, but I know there's a whole category of them. If it is cite act, how is article/convention/section/subsection/paragraph/etc. handled? (For reference, I have used the USCFR template over on the mobile phones on aircraft article and was anticipating something like that.) I tried using the aforementioned template in the Buyo Maru incident section of the Dudley W. Morton article – which is the source of this question – but there's probably a better way of handling it. (Note that I didn't add the reference, but I did include the original research template as I wasn't sure whether the interpretation expressed in the article was a strict reading of the treaty or not.) –Noha307 (talk) 17:02, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

Photograph or painting of portrait preferred?

In a biography of someone long dead, is a color painting or a b&w photograph preferred? Is there any policy on this? Thank you Adakiko (talk) 21:57, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

@Adakiko: are both images public domain? There is some advice at Wikipedia:Image use policy#Adding images to articles and Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Images but no blanket preference for paintings or a photographs. TSventon (talk) 22:08, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

@TSventon: Thank you for your help! Cheers Adakiko (talk) 22:10, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

@Adakiko: generally, it is picture quality that matters. A good portrait will be chosen over a poor photograph. Mjroots (talk) 06:29, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

Archived ANI request

I made a request here, but it had no responses and has been archived. What do I do when this happens? Do I need to follow up? Or does it mean the admins decided to ignore it and I should just let it be? Wikieditor662 (talk) 22:13, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

I suppose just do it again with the diffs embedded into the main question. GarethBaloney (talk) 23:15, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

So just open a new discussion and bring up the one that was archived? Wikieditor662 (talk) 23:31, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

@GarethBaloney and Wikieditor662: Wikieditor662's report was archived with no action after they added diffs. I am not an admin, but I think that means that admins did not see a need for admin action at present. The report had some responses: the reported editor apologised and a senior non admin editor gave them some advice. TSventon (talk) 23:51, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

So leave it be? Wikieditor662 (talk) 01:54, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

I think that, in general, and as a new participant at ANI, if your thread at ANI is archived it is best to leave it be unless the problems continue or resume. (If you become an expert you won't need my advice on ANI.) TSventon (talk) 02:58, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

Template covering content

On Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research the timeline template covers all of the text on my two Android phones in Firefox and Opera and spreads across the screen width in Desktop view. Don't have any computers so can't test the article anywhere else.

Here is what it looked like before I hid the template https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Center_for_Biologics_Evaluation_and_Research&oldid=1309948853

Tried to fix this by editing the template width and set it from 25 to 150, but no joy, so I guess the problem is somewhere else.

I have zero experience with templates so I didn't try anything else. Any help would be much appreciated.  == Peter NYC 23:52, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

I restored the template itself to how it was before your attempted fix, and then placed a "clear" template ({{-}}) below it, in the article.

Should look OK now. Whether it is suitable for the article, whether it should be a template, and whether it is sufficiently accessible, are matters for discussion. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:56, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

Thanks, but in mobile view that didn't work on my phones. In desktop view the text doesn't flow correctly even after I added a float:right. Maybe adding styles might fix the template but I don't know enough about templates.  == Peter NYC 17:51, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

Adding picture to my wikipedia page

File:Joachim_Stohr_photo.jpg

I uploaded this recent picture "Joachim Stohr photo" of me to wiki commons for unrestricted use (CC-zero license tag).

I would like it to be placed on my wikipedia page Joachim Stöhr

but I am not sure whether I can put it there myself. Can somebody please upload it to the wikipage for me? I would greatly appreciate help. Thanks JoachimStohr (talk) 01:49, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

 Done. Thanks for providing the photo, JoachimStohr. Cullen328 (talk) 01:55, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

Thanks so much for your help. I have another question. There is also a wikipage in German (my native country) https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joachim_St%C3%B6hr_(Physiker) that is old and incomplete. Is there a way to replace this old page by a translation of my English language wikipage into German?

I appreciate your help! JoachimStohr (talk) 20:58, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

Did I make a mistake?

Hello. I am a younger editor, and I recommended wikipedia editing to a friend. As he does not have contacts with me other than school email at this point, though it will change, and the fact that wikipedia account creation is blocked at my school (persistent vandalism) and the fact I was unsure if he could make an account at home for his circumstances, I was too hasty and did not read WP:Sockpuppetry and the section that states that an account could not be shared by multiple people, and I made him an account. Now I am not sure if this applies, because I was planning on giving it to him and him changing the password, but now I have 2 accounts, one with nothing on it, and I am not sure if it violates the rules. This is why I came here, for guidance on what to do. Jayson (talk) 02:03, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

I believe this would fall under the category of "good faith edit" Jayson (talk) 02:05, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

I also came here because I am unsure of if he became a respected editor, then the account would be created from the same ip address I use and then people think it is a sockpuppet and it is not Jayson (talk) 02:08, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

Three options that I can think of:

1. Have your friend change the password as planned, and don't let them tell you the new password. Leave a note on your user page explaining what happened.
2. Don't make any edits using the account. Have your friend ask to usurp the account at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Steward_requests/Username_changes#Private_requests https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Steward_requests/Username_changes#Requests_involving_merges,_usurps_or_other_complications. Still a good idea to leave a user page note explaining.
3. Abandon the new account and have your friend make a request for an account the way it should have been done, at Wikipedia:Request an account. Meters (talk) 02:28, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

Ok, he will likely not see the email before someone else gives a second opinion. Jayson (talk) 02:33, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

Dont worry the account has no edits on it, ConciliumHaven Jayson (talk) 02:36, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

If he decides to go with a different username then he may change it Jayson (talk) 02:37, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

Hmm... on further thought, option 2 takes at least two weeks, and I don't know that an IP can usurp an account in any case. Probably best to ignore that one. Meters (talk) 03:02, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

Yeah, I was not even really considering it. I think I will either go with option 1 if my friend decides to, or have him create a new account and delete this one. Thank you for your help. Jayson (talk) 03:08, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

Accounts cannot be deleted. Just abandon it. Meters (talk) 03:29, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

k. I guess it is up to him Jayson (talk) 03:36, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for being so careful. If all you did was set up the account and didn't actually use it, and if you then give the account to your friend as you described, I don't think it matters what IP address was used to set it up. The intent of the WP:Sockpuppetry policy is to prevent people from abusing the system (causing disruptions, evading a block/ban, etc.). As long as your friend resets the password and is the only one who uses it, then I think that would be fine. BetsyRogers (talk) 05:54, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

I agree. When it's obvious no one is really doing anything sneaky or dishonest, then no one is going to worry about it. TooManyFingers (talk) 06:46, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

Thanks everybody. Jayson (talk) 17:50, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

@Jayson: Hi, I don't think there is anything to worry about in this case. As WP:Sockpuppetry clearly says:

(...) In general, one editor, one registered account. Do not use multiple accounts (multiaccount) for malicious reasons.

It's not about how many accounts you create, it's about how you use them. If one uses multiple accounts to make an impression two or several people opt independently for something while it's actually just one person, which is deceiving other editors, then yes, this is strictly forbidden. OTOH using openly different accounts for different activities, like one for direct editing or discussing and another one for running a bot to make automated maintenance editions, is OK (especially if both accounts clearly disclose the connection).

Additionally, in cases like a school it may happen that multiple users working on multiple devices use actually a common gateway with a single IP address. So having the same address is not enough to fall under sockpuppetry category. Once you granted an account to your friend and not use it yourself anymore, there is no reason to consider one of you a sockpuppet of the other.

Happy editing! --CiaPan (talk) 09:46, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

You have good advice above, but I thought you both might also find WP:Guidance for younger editors useful. Welcome aboard! Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:47, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

Oh yeah, I remember that editor Pigsonthewing. Well, I did read the guidance for younger editors. Thank you! Jayson (talk) 15:46, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

Got to say, I found this interaction to be quite heartwarming. With the amount of sockpuppetry we get, it's nice to see someone go out and try and do the right thing. Welcome to Wikipedia. We do have a lot of complicated rules, but try your best as I feel you have here. :) Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:07, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for asking some questions about this. Wikipedia generally allows users to create accounts for others when they're requested, so there shouldn't be an issue here. Wikipedia actually has a few articles on creating accounts for other users, so this isn't unexpected and is sometimes encouraged if it brings new editors to the website. Have a nice week and thanks for bringing new editors! aaronneallucas (talk) 18:23, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

Title in web citations

I was searching for a news website in order to put in my {{cite web}} template. When I finally found it, I came across a problem:

The website that I chose was: https://apnews.com/article/yagi-vietnam-storm-flooding-landslides-fdc1ab23b354b8b63a9c92213c3ec316. The title of the page is Vietnam typhoon: Death toll rises to 64 as bridge collapses | AP News, as specified in the <title> tag. However, the title of the news (the one that is directly visible) is actually Vietnam storm deaths rise to 64 as a bridge collapses and flooding sweeps away a bus.

Which title is the correct one to put inside citations? EmperorChesser 08:07, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

Hi, EmperorChesser! IMHO each is OK, use the one you consider more informative. News websites often modify titles of already published articles, sometimes along with updating the main contents. If it does matter some day, someone will update it, if it does not don't worry. --CiaPan (talk) 10:00, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for your very kind answer! I would consider my decision before I make and publish my edits. Have a good day! EmperorChesser 10:19, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

@ EmperorChesser: The second is obviously better. Do not startle or astonish the reader. The citation title should be exactly the title that they first see when going to the source. Also, AP News is a news source so don't use {{cite web}}, use {{cite news}}:

{{cite news |last=Ghosal |first=Aniruddha |date=September 9, 2024 |title=Vietnam storm deaths rise to 64 as a bridge collapses and flooding sweeps away a bus |work=AP News}}

Ghosal, Aniruddha (September 9, 2024). "Vietnam storm deaths rise to 64 as a bridge collapses and flooding sweeps away a bus". AP News.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 12:45, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

"agency=AP News" by choice, or even "publisher=AP News". Clarityfiend (talk) 14:15, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

Umm, no. |agency= is for naming a news service when that service's article is the reproduced in another publisher's work/newspaper/magazine/journal, etc. Because this source is delivered by AP News in their own online location, |work=AP News is correct. |publisher= is not needed because the name of the publishing corporate entity is substantively similar to the name of the work and because we are citing the work, not the corporate entity.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 14:57, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

@EmperorChesser: I agree it's clearly better to use the title which is actually displayed on the page. If you use the title tag in citations then omit parts like " | AP News" when the citation already says AP in another field. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:58, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

Ngl, I decided to choose the second one. I know that the "title" here means what is displayed on a website's header, but IMO the second one has more info, so it's better. EmperorChesser 15:17, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

Draft: Ahmed Osman Shatila

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Draft: Ahmed Osman Shatila

I have done the needed edits. It now should meet notability as per Wikipedias guidelines . Can someone check it Saria116 (talk) 10:18, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

You have resubmitted it and it is pending. Asking for a review does not speed the process, please be patient. 331dot (talk) 10:19, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

ok thanks Saria116 (talk) 10:20, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

@Saria116 Please remove all tracking parameters including all instances of ?utm_source=chatgpt.com from URLs. CONFUSED SPIRIT(Thilio).Talk 10:33, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

done thank you so much Saria116 (talk) 10:48, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

I'm not a reviewer and can't formally review your draft, but looking at your sources;

1. Abu Dhabi awards winner says [...] means this is a primary source interviewing the subject, which cannot establish notability as per WP:PRIMARY
2. WP:PASSING coverage which quotes the subject in the context of his expertise but doesn't give WP:SIGCOV
3. Ditto.
4. I can't evaluate properly as it's arabic, but the title translates to "Launch of the treatment guidelines document for multiple sclerosis in the UAE" so I'd say it's also passing coverage.
5. This has some potential because it's him receiving a national award, but it doesn't suffice by itself because there's no WP:SIGCOV
6. Ditto
7. Ditto
8. This is a profile of him as a guest speaker at a medical event; which is inherently going to be promotional in nature.
9. Is another profile
10. Ditto
11. Ditto to #4 it seems
12. Same again
13. Another profile
14. Yet another profile

I'm not going to bother continuing with the rest, as they're the same. There is no significant, in-depth coverage in any of these sources, and thus no evidence of the subject's notability. I implore you to properly and thoroughly read the golden rule for sources and the general notability guideline. Athanelar (talk) 12:38, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

hi I have both primary and secondary Saria116 (talk) 13:21, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

Yes, but as I've said, the secondary sources don't have significant, in-depth coverage.

As the golden rule says, a good source to demonstrate notability needs to be reliable AND independent of the subject AND provide significant, in-depth coverage of the subject.

Being quoted in an article about MS isn't suitable to demonstrate notability. Receiving a national award is good, but if there's no other good secondary sources about the subject then there's still not enough material to create an article from. Athanelar (talk) 13:26, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

What do you recommend . I want to write about this person specifically Saria116 (talk) 13:38, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

Unless you can demonstrate that you have the significant coverage in secondary reliable sources necessary to meet Wikipedia notability guidelines, we aren't going to have an article. Find them. If they don't exist, no article... AndyTheGrump (talk) 13:45, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

Why is that? Is this person you or somebody you know? I notice that the user DoubleGrazing already asked you about this and you never replied. If you are affiliated with this person at all, you need to disclose this.

My advice would be that you don't write about this person. The simple reality is that most people, even very highly achieving people, are not notable enough to warrant an article on Wikipedia. Having a Wikipedia article also isn't always a good thing and there's no reason to aspire to it as a goal. As it stands, I see no indication that any sources exist to demonstrate that this person is sufficiently notable to qualify for an article. Athanelar (talk) 13:46, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

Yes, this user has an obvious COI, and this isn't their first user account in trying to create this article at different titles. I'm getting very close to blocking for tendentious, disruptive and purely promotional editing. @Saria116, take note. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:57, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

I for one suppprt it. If nothing else there also appears to be a CIR/ICHY issue as the user evidently isn't reading any of the guidelines re: notability which they're being linked to, and there appears to be a language barrier to some extent. No surprise from COI editors though; "MUST CREATE ARTICLE" is about all that seems to register. Athanelar (talk) 14:09, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

Hi . Thanks for Being polite and friendly with your reply . Actually, I did disclose relativity . I will keep editing . Thank you Saria116 (talk) 14:30, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

Where did you disclose your COI? Athanelar (talk) 14:40, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

Are you threatening me ? Saria116 (talk) 14:31, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

I suggest you chose to view it as a helpful warning, and act accordingly. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:39, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

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Article title in special occasion

When a non-English article title includes elements like -ye or al-, should we write them exactly as they appear, or in some other form? (Examples: Mardomak-e Cheshm-e Hasud in Persian and Talib fi al-Madrasa in Arabic). according to Wikipedia's rules, are we allowed to write forms like almadrasa (as in the second example), or must we keep the separation al-Madrasa? Vastmajority20025 (talk) 14:42, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

I'm talking about the title of a creative work. Vastmajority20025 (talk) 14:47, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

@Vastmajority20025: we would generally follow the Manual of Style and Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Titles of works#Translations says use the WP:COMMONNAME. I checked the Arabic example and Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Arabic#Definite article says that a hyphen should be used. TSventon (talk) 15:13, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

@Vastmajority20025:, I saw "special occasion" and thought that this related to Wikipedia:Did you know, if your question relates to Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries you could ask at their talk page. TSventon (talk) 15:52, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

Standard for introducing acronym to page name? incremental edits to outdated articles?

New here! I am planning to contribute to a number of articles on ECB instruments to prepare for an exam (and to try and get a grip on wikipedia editing). This article: Support to mitigate unemployment risks in an emergency, seems to me, to need the widely used acronym, "SURE," in the title. It is slightly unintuitive to find at the moment, given ECB and EU proclivities for acronyms. I have already added the acronym into the introductory paragraph, but I am not too sure if changing the title is appropriate here. Are there standards or recommendations on title changes which might apply here?

Also, the article contains a number of statements and charts which are outdated either in content or tense structure, but I cannot undertake all of these changes in one sitting and, in turn, there will be contradictions between statements and certain charts. While I hope to eventually undertake all of these changes, is there a standard for making edits incrementally, when they might read as incoherent compared to other sections in the interim?

MrSam100 (talk) 14:53, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

Or solution in such cases is not to change the title, but to use disambiguation, and have added it to our page at Sure for that purpose.

Yes, you can make your edits incrementally—use edit summaries to let others know your strategy (e.g. "update table - will update prose in next edit"). And please don't leave the page in a confusing state between editing sessions, such as overnight. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:44, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

@MrSam100: The guideline is Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Abbreviations#Acronyms in page titles. We don't write both full name and acronym in the title. I don't know which of them is best known here but the article is not the primary topic for "Sure" or "SURE" so it cannot be called that. It might be called "SURE (EU programme)" if it's almost only known as SURE but we don't like such titles when the full name is an option. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:45, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

How do I use the "Double image" template?

Hi, I'm trying to use the Template:Double image in an article I'm working on. I've followed the example from the template, but the two images I'm trying to put up aren't showing. Could someone take a look at it? What am I doing wrong? It's in this draft: User:Mr Serjeant Buzfuz/Section 70 of the Constitution Act, 1867, in the section entitled "Legislative history"; I'm trying to insert images of Macdonald and Cartier. Any help would be appreciated. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 15:21, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

Ack! I just realised I'm trying to use a template from Simple English Wikipedia! <Emily Letella>Never mind.</Emily Letella> Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 15:34, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

And because WHAAOE, those who didn't recognize the ref can read Emily Litella. DMacks (talk) 02:00, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

And for those who don't recognise that ref: WP:WHAAOE. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:35, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

Ha! DMacks (talk) 03:01, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

What does "contentious topics" mean in the context of Wikipedia?

I saw this warning on Talk:LGBTQ rights in Amazonas and I had doubts about whether the article violated the principle of neutrality. Questionadora ávida (talk) 16:00, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

Contentious topics are ones that have caused many disagreements and that have attracted many people who want to force the article to state their own opinions. TooManyFingers (talk) 17:22, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

@Questionadora ávida: "contentious topics" is blue in the warning (assuming you have a normal browser and screen). That means it's a link you can click to see more. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:27, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

Formatting style

Do Wikipedia articles cite sources in MLA style or Chicago style? ~2025-37397-24 (talk) 18:11, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

@~2025-37397-24: Several styles are used but it should be consistent within the same article. See Wikipedia:Citing sources#Citation style. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:21, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

Reporting unattributed copying of Wikipedia content.

Do we have a noticeboard or similar where we can report content from Wikipedia to another website being improperly copied from Wikipedia without the necessary URL to the original as required under the Creative Commons license? I thought we had something of the sort, but can't find it? AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:26, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

I found Wikipedia:Mirrors and forks#How to list new mirrors, which seems to be a list rather than a noticeboard. TSventon (talk) 18:44, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

Thanks, but not what I'm looking for. AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:47, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

It now appears that the issue of improper attribution has been noticed, and will presumably be rectified, so I'll not need to take further action for now. Thanks to whoever it was at you-know-where for actually taking notice of your own 'contributors'. AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:00, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

Ignore my last comment, since it clearly hasn't been rectified. Anyone have a suggestion as to where this should be reported? AndyTheGrump (talk) 22:26, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

Shot in the dark, but maybe WP:AN? Athanelar (talk) 22:42, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

Lower down the same page: Wikipedia:Mirrors and forks#Non-compliance process. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:29, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

Thanks. It looks like sending a Wikipedia:Standard CC BY-SA violation letter is the way to handle this, to start with. If they don't comply, I may consider informing ArbCom, given that the website in question is being run by a Wikipedia contributor. AndyTheGrump (talk) 12:08, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

I'm a bit surprised there isn't a noticeboard to just report this, rather than it just being a "sort it yourself" thing. I don't know if there is a group of people who would be interested in actioning these, but seems more sensible than people not reporting it when they see it as they don't want the backlash. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:12, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

As the section I linked to makes clear, CC violation letters and DCMA takedown requests are only valid if sent by the copyright owner. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:10, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

What it says is "You can only file a lawsuit (or file a DMCA take down notice) if you hold a significant copyright interest in one or more articles...". Anyone can send a letter. A letter isn't a takedown notice. AndyTheGrump (talk) 14:52, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

Indeed. Seems crazy that the same person who sees non-attributed content has to be the same person who asks for it to be attributed. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:59, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

I stand corrected. I should have said "DCMA takedown requests are only valid...", not CC violation letters. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:06, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

I've sent an email, and will see what happens. AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:37, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

We had a similar case relating to chemistry articles, now archived at WT:WikiProject Chemistry/Archive 50#Plagiarism in Elsevier book. On that occasion the publisher withdrew the book. One of the problems is that the copyright owner is not the WMF but instead is the original editors who contributed (and licensed) their content here. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:32, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

Teams standings template

In my 2025–26 Young Africans SC season & 2025–26 Simba SC season article, the league standings template comes with all the league details. Moyojnr (talk) 19:29, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Moyojnr. What is your question? ColinFine (talk) 20:40, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

hello,@ColinFine my article 2025–26 Young Africans SC season & 2025–26 Simba SC season On the competition side, the problem is that instead of showing the league position of the team, it shows the information of the entire league.? Moyojnr (talk) 20:52, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Moyojnr. The problem is probably in how you're using a template. But since you still have not identified which section of the article, or which template, the problem is in, I cannot look further.

No doubt "on the competition side ... the league position of the team" is meaningful to you, but I cannot match it up with anything in the article. ColinFine (talk) 21:29, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

I assume you are talking about the league table at [1], which shows just five teams to me.

I have to say though, these articles seem like they have far too much in depth stat-CRUFT. Is a single season for a single club in the Tanzanian Premier League notable? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:17, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

@Lee Vilenski Thank you for noticing the problem, is it possible to solve it? Moyojnr (talk) 19:25, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

They already said maybe the right solution is to delete a lot of things (including this table). TooManyFingers (talk) 20:33, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

Arguably the whole article. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:28, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

The Voice

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Why is there no Playoffs after knockouts season 28 of The Voice Brycelegend (talk) 00:51, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

Answered at Wikipedia:Teahouse#The Voice. Please only ask in one place. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:41, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

I did Brycelegend (talk) 02:02, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

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Talk:50/50 club (baseball)

Talk:50/50 club (baseball)

Under "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia", there is an unexpected link to Talk:50, perhaps because the article title has a slash, idk. Anyone know if there is a fix for this? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:49, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

Yes, @Gråbergs Gråa Sång, that'll be why: subpages are disabled in article space, but are enabled in Talk space. That page I linked to acknowledges the problem (see WP:TITLESLASH) but does not suggest a way round it. ColinFine (talk) 11:54, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

This isn't even an uncommon thing in titles. Certainly some date ranges and the like. I wonder if there's a technical way to rename titles so they use a slash where we can't use a dash. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:01, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

Might be worth a post to Wikipedia talk:Subpages Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:03, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

There is no fix when the parent page exists and we don't want unnatural names to avoid that. phab:T41395 requested a fix in 2012 and links three later requests. I once added a hatnote to Talk:9 which gets traffic from talk pages about the 9/11 attacks. Talk:50 has 7 page views in the last 30 days so I don't see a need here. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:38, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

It might be reasonable to name this article 50–50 club (baseball), but I haven't looked closely at the sources. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:47, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

I don't know the most common name but I don't think the subpage issue should be a factor. Special:PrefixIndex/Talk:50/ shows many other false subpages which haven't generated traffic to Talk:50. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:56, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

I've moved it to 50–50 club (baseball) based on the preferred wording of the sources and the precedent of 40–40 club, 30–30 club, 20–20–20 club, 20–50 club... -- Reconrabbit 19:37, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

Adding a painting to an article

Hi there. Befuddled of Wiltshire here. I've just made a page on the 1849 painting by John Everett Millais, James Wyatt and his Granddaughter Mary. I can't find a version of the original on Commons (there is an 1850 copy painting which I have found and used in the article) - I think possibly because it is in the private collection of Andrew Lloyd Webber rather than held in a museum or art gallery. As Millais died in 1896 the painting is out of copyright, and I have found a version here: [2] sourced from [3] but I can't for the life of me work out how to upload this to Commons - what criteria to use. Could anyone help me please? Thanks Stronach (talk) 15:20, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

• I've found it reproduced here [4] where it says it is copyright Lord Lloyd Webber - but is that the photograph of it is his copyright, or the painting itself? Stronach (talk) 15:25, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

@Stronach I'm fairly sure you should do it like File:Sir John Everett Millais, 1st Bt by Charles Robert Leslie.jpg, see the "warning" in the summary section and the Licensing template. This discussion [5] may be applicable. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:26, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

Thanks Gråbergs Gråa Sång. I don't understand it, so will leave well alone, I think. Thanks anyhow. Stronach (talk) 16:33, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

Stronach, both Commons and Wikipedia are hosted in the United States. In the US, a photo of a painting that is itself in the public domain is also in the public domain, and can be used freely. The relevant case law is Bridgeman Art Library v. Corel Corp. Cullen328 (talk) 18:46, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

@Stronach Sometimes people say things are copyrighted when they are not. The UK used to hold that 'sweat of the brow' reproductions could carry their own copyright, but has backed off from this. PD-Art can be used just in case. In both the country of origin (the UK) and in the US, it is public domain, so you are free to upload to commons. You need to have both a US and country-of-origin tag, so PD-US-expired and PD-old-70 will cover both. PARAKANYAA (talk) 19:02, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

I can upload it for you, if you would like. PARAKANYAA (talk) 20:18, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

@PARAKANYAA I would love that, thank you so much. I 'get' a lot of Wikipedia editing, but image uploading has always had me scratching my head.... Cheers, Stronach (talk) 09:19, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

Now at File:John Everett Millais - James Wyatt and His Granddaughter Mary (ArtRenewal).jpg - it's not possible for non-paying subscribers to get the high-res version. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:55, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

Lincoln City, Oregon main page photo

Would it be possible to substitute the main photo that comes up for Lincoln City, Oregon, from the street view of the Oceanlake area of town to one of the beautiful scenic coastal photos that come up when you click the "All Images" button? Lincoln City focuses on its wide variety of outdoor activities, so a scenic photo would be more in tune with the city's focus. Thank you very much! ~2025-37719-31 (talk) 19:56, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

The Lincoln City, Oregon article's lead image is currently File:Portion of the Lincoln City coastline.jpg, not a street view of town. Could you clarify where you're seeing this "main photo that comes up" and the "All Images button"? jlwoodwa (talk) 20:16, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

(It might be the photo shown when typing the place name into a search box) TooManyFingers (talk) 20:28, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

... and when I see the image that's at the head of the article, I think "Lincoln City is nothing but a patch of sand", which was probably not the intention. :) TooManyFingers (talk) 20:19, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

Article Deletion

Hi! This is Dr. Madelyn Vega. I am a journalist, attorney, and college professor. It seems that the page with my information has been deleted. I would like to have an information page on Wikipedia since I am also a published author of non-fiction/fiction literature and it is very common that interested sources look for my information. Please advise and thank you, Madelyn Vega Madelynv (talk) 20:46, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

Madelynv We don't have "information pages" here. We have articles. As indicated in your user talk page, the article about you was completely unsourced with no indication you meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person broadly or narrowly a notable creative professional. Please see the autobiography policy. 331dot (talk) 20:55, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

I regret to inform you that Wikipedia is not the place to set up an 'information page' about yourself for interested people to find when searching for you. We are an encyclopedia, and we host articles about subjects that meet our notability guidelines, like the general notability guideline or in your case the author notability guideline would also likely apply.

Most likely the reason the article about you was deleted was precisely because you did not sufficiently demonstrate that you are notable enough to qualify for a Wikipedia article.

If you are notable enough for an article, then it is likely that in time somebody else will write it anyway. We strongly discourage people from writing their own articles even if they are notable, and it should also be noted that an article about you is not always a good thing. Athanelar (talk) 20:57, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

@Madelynv Please see also WP:Alternative outlets, a blog or personal website is likely more suitable for your goals than a Wikipedia article. Athanelar (talk) 20:58, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

Hi and thank you for your kind response. I understand the information you provided and appreciate your explanations. Although I appreciate your suggestions, I am not a participant in any social media platform nor blog or website particularly for my own safety since I am a former judge. It is not my intention to misjudge your opinion but trust me that as a Hispanic woman who served as a TV anchor for 20 years, covered the 911 attacks live, and later became a judge and has successfully published 12 books and have conducted research in gender studies I sincerely believe my professional career is notable.

I would greatly appreciate it if you could please help me reinstate the page for the benefit of others in my community who may not be able to create a page on their ownOnce again thank you,

Madelyn Vega Madelynv (talk) 23:56, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

I'm not sure why you think having a Wikipedia article abput yourself is safer than having a blog or personal website; if you are concerned about publicity for your own safety, then a Wikipedia article is just as risky as any other public online presence.

As for your achievements; notability is not about what you have done, but about what other people have said about you. Notability on Wikipedia must be verifiable, which means that reliable, secondary sources completely unrelated to you must have reported in-depth on you or your achievements, because we need to be able to verify that you did these things and that they were important enough for others to have taken note of you. Wikipedia is not in itself a publisher of any kind of information, we merely collect and summarise information which is already reported elsewhere. I am sure that your career is very important to you and has had impact on many others, but unless secondary sources have taken note of you and reported on you, you do not qualify for a Wikipedia article.

All that aside, the fact remains that your intention in having an article created is purely to promote yourself to your audience, which is not allowed on Wikipedia, and as a result I'm not going to help you create an article about yourself, even if there is an argument for your notability. If you can find some good sources that support your claim to notability according to the general notability guidelines or the notability guidelines about people or the notability guidelines for authors then you could try to request somebody else create an article about you at WP:Requested articles but there's simply no guarantee that anybody will do it quickly, or at all. If you are as notable as you say, then one of your readers or somebody else will no doubt eventually create an article about you of their own accord, and there is no need to do it yourself. Athanelar (talk) 00:10, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

There are very many places and ways for a person to publish information about themselves on the internet. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and definitely not suitable as a last resort for someone's publicity wishes. TooManyFingers (talk) 00:59, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

Madelynv, you were advised above: notability is not about what you have done, but about what other people have said about you. Yes, but I'd have phrased it slightly differently, perhaps: "notability" (as defined by and for Wikipedia) is not about the contribution you've made to the world, but instead about what reliable sources, independent of you, have said about you. Most people who've spent a little time looking around Wikipedia will realize that plenty of people well known in their circles for their real-world achievements are excluded while products of the pop culture industrial complex (e.g. this) are earnestly described at length. Wikipedia writes about what's already written about (and so can be called deeply conservative). -- Hoary (talk) 02:12, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

how do I make a redirect

how do I make a page that redirects to another one? I'm trying to make "Light cake" redirect to "Cake" ~2025-37320-30 (talk) 02:22, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

@~2025-37320-30: The term "light cake" doesn't occur in the article Cake so that sounds like a poor idea to me. I didn't know what a light cake is (low-calorie? candles? color?) and Cake doesn't tell me. The current search results on light cake show me it's apparently a cake with air bubbles and leads to examples. That seems much better. For the technical part, unregistered users cannot create redirects but you can use Wikipedia:Article wizard/Redirects to make a submission for review. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:50, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

Facebook

Sir I am getting friend request on my facebook id but I am not able to confirm it .it is written on it,an error has occurred ,,, please solve this problem.thanks ~2025-37912-75 (talk) 08:11, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

The Help desk here can only answer questions related to Wikipedia. You would have to ask Facebook about this.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 08:27, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

Donations

As soon as I’ve given my annual donation, I see these heart wrenching posts about not scrolling by. Please give, only 2% etc. my lapsed Catholic guilt goes into overdrive. gimme a break, please. ~2025-38005-69 (talk) 15:06, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

See WP:NOBANNER.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 15:24, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

@~2025-38005-69: There is a fundraising campaign December 2–30. Banners are not connected to whether you have already donated. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:27, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

Science Competition South Africa

Good day, I just want help on how to upload an image if i want to participate on the competition? Esethu Mayekiso (talk) 15:22, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

Which competition are you referring to? AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:39, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

Presumably c:Commons:Wiki Science Competition 2025. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 18:29, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

In which case, the appropriate place to ask for help is at Commons:Help desk. AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:57, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

yes i am referring to Wiki Science Competition 2025, thank you for your help. Esethu Mayekiso (talk) 20:25, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

Typo I can't fix

Rickenbacker International Airport has a grammatical typo in its short description, however it's attached to Wikidata or whatever it is (the SD is not actually on the page) so I've got no clue how to fix it. Can someone fix it please? Electricmemory (talk) 15:54, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Electricmemory.

Yes, it's not obvious, is it? It's not in Wikidata, it's actually in Template:infobox airport, which says

This template adds an automatically generated short description. If the automatic short description is not optimal, override it by adding {{Short description}} at the top of the article.

.

The location parameter to the Infobox is

location = Franklin / Pickaway counties, near Columbus, Ohio

which is presumably where the "near" comes from. ColinFine (talk) 16:28, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

@ColinFine Thanks! Another Wiki thing I've just never run into before. I'll remember this in the future Electricmemory (talk) 17:50, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

"Near" is correct; "In" shouldn't have been there. Electricmemory (talk) 17:52, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

Auto Generation Error

Hi, this is specifically about the Portal:Food article. I was given this warning over there on its talk page when adding a topic: 'Attention: Talk pages in this namespace are generally not watched by many users. Please consider visiting the Help desk for a more prompt response or reviewing the Portal guidelines for quick tips.' So I came here. But the 'Am I in the right place?' article linked at the top says otherwise, so there are two contradicting statements.. so I'm not sure if this is the right place. But I'm going to put it here anyway as it seems like the best option:

On the food portal, in the 'Did You Know'? section, which is autogenerated, told me that the pop singer 'IceSpice' is Princess Diana, when upon further investigation, I discovered that 'Princess Diana' is a song by IceSpice and IceSpice is not, in fact, Princess Diana. But what beats me is what a fact about a pop singer and the royal family is doing on the food portal? I hope this issue gets resolved soon! I have a screenshot if that helps, but I have no idea how to put it here, or if I'm even allowed to. Iciiboi (talk) 16:38, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

I don't see that there, @Iciiboi. Since it's automatically generated, I guess we can see different things. ColinFine (talk) 17:25, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

Looking at the source code for the Portal page, that section picks out items with various keywords, one of which is "Spice" - I guess that that's why it picked the item. Investigating further. ColinFine (talk) 17:29, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

I've found it. WP:Recent additions/2023/April#30 April 2023 has an "Did you know" entry:

• ... that Ice Spice is Princess Diana?

where "Princess Diana" links to the article about the song.

So that was originally a jokey DYK entry, that following the link would make sense of.

Whether that was a good idea or not, I can't say.

I suspect that the Food Portal code should be changed to remove "Spice" as one of its keywords for selection. If it is important enough to justify a change. ColinFine (talk) 17:40, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

The code for Portal:Food#Did you know (auto-generated) – load new batch says: {{Transclude selected recent additions|1=[Ff]ood|2=[Ff]oods|3=[Cc]uisine|4=[Ss]pice|6=[Ff]rozen food|months=36|max=6}} . Reducing the search to "spice", {{Transclude selected recent additions|1=[Ss]pice|months=36|max=6}} produces:

• ... that the leaves of the herb spiked savoury, although protected under Israeli law, are foraged by local people to make a spice mix?
• ... that British architect Diane Haigh transformed one historic building into an art gallery and another into a hospice?
• ... that within the Armenian Rite, it takes 40 days and more than 40 flowers, herbs, and spices to create the chrism known as myron?
• ... that Sister Maureen Keleher said that the first freestanding hospice in Hawaii was like an answer to prayer?
• ... that Ice Spice is Princess Diana?

So there are currently five search hits on "spice" which may appear on Portal:Food, and only one of them is actually about food. That's a lousy ratio so I'm removing "spice". PrimeHunter (talk) 21:13, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

Notable Serbian Americans

How do I add a name to the list? R T Devane (talk) 18:25, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

Hi R T Devane, If you want to add something to List of Serbian Americans you can just go ahead and click "edit source" by the relevant section and add a new line in the format of

* [[Name of existing article]]<ref>details of source verifying this claim</ref>

You don't add it, unless English Wikipedia already has an article about that person. TooManyFingers (talk) 19:47, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

(Otherwise, every Serbian American has to get added) TooManyFingers (talk) 19:50, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

@DandelionAndBurdock No, in fact you can't just go ahead and do that. TooManyFingers (talk) 19:52, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

They very much can, what do you mean? -- D'n'B-📞 -- 19:55, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

The head of surgery at Shriner's Childrens Hospital is Dr. Branko Bojovic. He has saved hundreds of children in the US and internationally from disfigurement due to burns, accidents and the casualties of war. I'd like to add his name to the list of notable Serbian Americans, which already exists on Wikipedia R T Devane (talk) 20:02, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

@R T Devane: Generally, any such list should include only those people who already have Wikipedia articles of their own. If the article already exists, then it is simply a matter of editing the list. I'll note that List of Serbian Americans has a comprehensive list, while the Serbian Americans article has a more distilled list with a link to the larger list.

If there is no existing article on the person in question, and you believe the person in question is notable as Wikipedia defines the term, then the next step would be to try and create the article. I'll note that creating a new article is actually one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia, and one which has frustrated many a new editor who dives right in without taking a considerable length of time to learn Wikipedia's policies, procedures and guidelines. Please read and follow the advice at Help:Your first article, and explore the various policy pages linked from there.

I see that you've started writing at User:R T Devane/sandbox (I've taken the liberty of reformatting it to make the text visible). My first bit of advice here is to be careful not to write the article WP:BACKWARDS, i.e., to write the text and then look for the sourcing to support it. A proper encyclopedia article needs to be based on multiple reliable sources which are independent of the subject--find the sources which meet our standards, and build the article from these. What you have there about Dr. Bojovic is a glowing hagiography which looks to me like it could have been written by a PR firm, whereas what we want to see is something written from a more neutral point of view.

Hope this helps. Feel free to ask further questions. Thanks. --Finngall ^talk 20:07, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

Thank you. Are you saying that everyone listed in those two lists of notable Serbian Americans already has a wikipedia article written about them?

Best,

RTD R T Devane (talk) 20:12, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

Yes, you'll notice that list consists entirely of blue links which means that the articles already exist. -- D'n'B-📞 -- 20:13, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

Since there is not an existing article on Branko Bojovic - there is nothing to be added to the list. Although I noticed one very passing mention on the article on face transplants, so that may provide a bit of a jumping off point - although you'll need a lot more significant, independent and reliable coverage of the individual to form an article. -- D'n'B-📞 -- 20:12, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

Many of the blue links lead to just a name and occupation, e.g. Ognjen Topic. Is that what you mean by an article? R T Devane (talk) 20:25, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

Yes there's an article about Ognjen Topić - you can read it at Ognjen Topić - that seems to be a very typical example of a Wikipedia article actually. -- D'n'B-📞 -- 20:39, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

You make Wikipedia seem very tedious. Like something for retired librarians R T Devane (talk) 20:51, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

What a strange thing to say. If you find it tedious then that's fine, I find sudukos tedious but I don't blame that on the people who enjoy them. -- D'n'B-📞 -- 21:14, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

(shrug) Encyclopedias were never meant to be exciting, just informative. I don't think anyone doubts that Dr. Bojovic has done a lot of wonderful and praiseworthy things, but telling the world about these things isn't precisely what Wikipedia is for. I've done some looking around--I've seen a lot of news articles about interesting surgeries he was involved with, but I'm not finding a lot in the way of news articles which focus on him in particular (note that these don't have to be in English, so Serbian sources might help, nor do they have to be online as long as they're properly cited). --Finngall ^talk 21:16, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

Have you tried sūdoku instead? —Antonissimo (talk) 02:25, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

I know a retired librarian. She is much more interesting than I am. TooManyFingers (talk) 05:47, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

Rupert Giles was a retired librarian, and his life was certainly anything but tedious. CodeTalker (talk) 18:47, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

Where to discuss mass merges/redirects

I'm not sure where the best forum to start a discussion for this is. I am currently looking at a series of 25 related articles that fail wp:NSPORTSEVENT and I think need to be blanked and redirected to the main topic. Ordinarily the process would be to be bold or start a merge discussion on the talk page, but this would be tedious for 25 pages and given that the pages are niche and low-traffic it is unlikely that a discussion on any individual talk page will engender participation. Where on Wikipedia does such a discussion belong (my understanding is that AFD is only for deletions and not for BLARs or merges)? -- Lenny Marks (talk) 19:23, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

Lenny Marks hi, I suggest that you start a discussion on a relevant Wikiproject talk page, e.g. Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sports or a more specific one, if it is active. You can copy a message with a link to the discussion onto the article talk pages and inform the page creator(s) if active. Then if there is agreement or no response, you could WP:BLAR the articles. If there is disagreement at any stage use WP:AFD. Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Redirection says that the appropriate deletion discussion venue, i.e. AFD for articles, is the correct venue to use if blanking and redirecting is disputed. TSventon (talk) 22:21, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

Thanks! Appreciate it. -- Lenny Marks (talk) 22:38, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

What ever written is mostly bogus around hindutva and is kinda fake

hindutva ~2025-38032-29 (talk) 19:35, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

Is there a particular passage in the article on Hindutva that you object to? -- D'n'B-📞 -- 19:44, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

If so, make your point first in Talk:Hindutva. —Antonissimo (talk) 02:23, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

False information

Is this true? https://x.com/Osint613/status/1995814536889405782 ~2025-38033-02 (talk) 19:37, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

What is your question about Wikipedia? TooManyFingers (talk) 19:46, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

There's a few half truths (yes the arbitration committee is small, but it also has little to no involvement in most editorial decisions) and outright falsehoods (the foundation doesn't have any involvement in editorial decisions). If there is a cabal of the most proflific editors, it wouldn't be revealed by any analysis of publicly viewable edit history. -- D'n'B-📞 -- 20:20, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

Article description

Are there wikipedia rules on how to write article descriptions? Vastmajority20025 (talk) 19:53, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

Well yes, but it depends on what you mean. Do you mean the short description which is somewhat of a subtitle for articles or were you refering to something else? -- D'n'B-📞 -- 19:58, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

Yes @D'n'B, I meant short description. Vastmajority20025 (talk) 10:46, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

Who is the writer of the article

Can you help me find the writer of the article about a food made by a minority group who immigrated to the United States, made with fruit, associated with a life event, and has an expression using the food to refer to that event without naming the event? The article was written between 2013 and 2023. ~2025-37570-50 (talk) 21:28, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

You don't specify the article you are seeking information about(or perhaps you don't know that either), but every article has an edit history that you can examine to see which editors contributed to it. 331dot (talk) 21:31, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

Frankly, this sounds like a question in some kind of trivia contest. That's not something we do here. --Orange Mike | Talk 21:39, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

The answer is "fruitcake". TooManyFingers (talk) 00:49, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

If Fruitcake is the article being discussed, then 980 editors have contributed to that article. Cullen328 (talk) 02:05, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

Just for laughs, I asked a populat search engine's AI function "What is . . ." followed by the OP's description, and it answered Apple pie, though its justifications (like the associated 'life event' being "being American") seemed to me dubious at best. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ~2025-31359-08 (talk) 21:49, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

Sintered Stone

Wikipedia needs to explain "Sintered Stone"

Usage:

• https://petrosstone.com/quartz-vs-sintered-stone/
• https://wificeramics.com/sintered-stone-countertop/
• https://www.neolith.com/en/neolith-blog/what-is-the-residential-sintered-surface/

which are sales sites

Related Wikipedia pages:

• Silicosis
• Limes Gate Dalkingen
• Cast stone
• Artificial stone
• Autoclaved aerated concrete
• Engineered stone
• Allied Marble & Granite
• Bretonstone
• Sintered polyethylene
• Fritted glass

• https://www.bhg.com/what-is-sintered-stone-7485855
• https://www.thespruce.com/what-is-sintered-stone-7564997
• https://usenaturalstone.org/granite-vs-porcelain/
• https://nirogranite.com/blog/how-is-sintered-stone-different-from-porcelain-tiles
• https://www.stoneworld.com/articles/94366-what-manufacturers-are-saying-about-silica-free-low-silica-products
• https://heritageceramics.com/the-rise-of-sintered-stone-slabs-for-countertops-a-shift-from-quartz-and-the-impact-of-silicosis/

On December 13, 2023, the Australian government banned engineered quartz stone (EQS) due to escalating concerns about silicosis.

Piñanana (talk) 02:13, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

If your point is that the WP articles mentioned do not adequately mention or explain the phrase, you can go ahead and put links to sintering at appropriate places in those articles, and perhaps expand the Sintering article to cover stone if its coverage of that subtopic is inadequate. —Antonissimo (talk) 02:30, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

I took the liberty of reformatting your lists for brevity and clarity. —Antonissimo (talk) 02:32, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

@Piñanana: I suggest you add a redirect from Sintered stone to Engineered stone, and then expand the Engineered stone article to explain that it includes Sintered stone. -Arch dude (talk) 17:01, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

I just don't know what to do anymore.

Is there a reasonable middle ground here? When I'm bold and courageous in making the edits I consider necessary, I'm criticized for being confrontational. But when I try to strictly follow the rules and regulations, I'm criticized again and demanded to be bold. When I was a bold newcomer, I was easily accused of being destructive, while my attempts to establish communication being ignored. But when I try to explain the rules to newcomers myself, I'm accused of biting them. I simply don't know how to respond anymore, because the community always seems to demand the opposite of my behavior when I try to meet their expectations. Solaire the knight (talk) 06:02, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

Are you perhaps spending a lot of your time here on articles about subjects of great interest to a lot of people? In recent months I've spent a disproportionate amount of my own time on what's in Category:Otto Jespersen and on Mechanical Turk: few other editors have shown themselves to be much interested in either (which hasn't surprised me); and although a handful of edits by others have irritated me and I imagine that a handful of mine have irritated others, at no point have I felt greatly annoyed and I've no reason to think that anyone else has either. -- Hoary (talk) 08:41, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

I feel like I'm suffering from the inconsistency of the community's mechanisms, ending up as the main "loser" in any situation, regardless of whether I act aggressively or passively. Solaire the knight (talk) 08:57, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

Topedits says that you've made the greatest number of edits to Oshi no Ko, List of animated series with LGBTQ characters: 2020–present, Lycoris Recoil, List of animated series with LGBTQ characters, and Mobile Suit Gundam: The Witch from Mercury. I'm not surprised that quarrels break out among people editing these. Where I edit, there are no "winners" or "losers" among the (few) editors. How about editing articles on subjects unrelated to animated series? -- Hoary (talk) 11:01, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

This has nothing to do with any particular topic. Wiki conflicts can arise even from absolutely trivial issues in a highly specialized topic. Solaire the knight (talk) 11:06, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

I suspect that it has plenty to do with particular topics. Animated series have their fans, and many of these are excitable teenagers. LGBTQ matters may arouse great indignation among the self-described "defenders of traditional values", etc. By contrast, I've yet to hear of any Otto Jespersen or Mechanical Turk "fandom", let alone of anyone offended by either subject or by the way either is sometimes described. -- Hoary (talk) 11:32, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

Any hot topic can attract hot-blooded people with any views on the topic. For example, if you write articles about American politics, you can easily find yourself in conflict with both the left and the right. I've met people who, on one hand, were obsessed with removing the word LGBTQ from an article about a show with explicit lesbian relationships, and on the other, people who waged a crusade against MAGA on the wiki and didn't even hide it. It's easier to avoid hot topics altogether. Solaire the knight (talk) 11:53, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

Any topic can, yes, but in fact any topic doesn't - only some do. Avoiding hot topics is very easy to do, in practice. TooManyFingers (talk) 12:39, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

It all depends on the situation. But in hot topics, the chances of such a situation arising are certainly higher. Solaire the knight (talk) 12:55, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

Are you maybe saying you've become addicted-ish to drama-filled discussions and you're not sure if that's good or bad? TooManyFingers (talk) 18:31, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

Therefore avoid hot topics for a few months or longer. (Bonus: The world outside animations is a fascinating place.) -- Hoary (talk) 21:53, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

I admire Novial; does that make me a Jespersen fan? —Antonissimo (talk) 01:22, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

Antonissimo, I think you're OK as long as the back of your F150 lacks a sticker promising "I'll give you my copy of Novial Lexike when you pry it from my cold, dead hands". -- Hoary (talk) 02:19, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

F150, moi? Hardly. —Antonissimo (talk) 02:23, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

Antonissimo, your T24 has no rear bumper for a bumper sticker. -- Hoary (talk) 07:27, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

I tried guessing: 1. An obscure (incorrect) Spanish word meaning "bride-ish"; 2. New-fangled drug packaging that doesn't include vials. Oh well. :) TooManyFingers (talk) 06:40, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

Palestinian pottery

Palestinian pottery

I have restored an early version of this article. It was somehow expanded to include other topics and moved to Levantine pottery> Cannot find how that discussion/decision was made. In any case, this is a sib-topic in its own right and intimately related to Palestinian handicrafts. The problem is the talk page is still Talk:Levantine pottery. Need help sorting out how to make its own unique talk page. Thank you! Tiamut (talk) 11:41, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

Are you very certain this was a good idea? Because it sounds to me like a pretty bad one. You're criticizing people for moving the page without discussion, when that's exactly what you yourself just did. You should probably revert the article to the way it was before you showed up, and start a discussion on the Levantine Pottery talk page. TooManyFingers (talk) 12:42, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

It appears they turned a redirect into an article (by copying content), rather than moving an existing article – this is why Talk:Levantine pottery still exists, because Levantine pottery still exists. Nil🥝 12:49, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

@Tiamut: before you do anything else, please read copying within Wikipedia. I will fix the attribution copyright violation you've created, and don't worry it's a common mistake and easily fixed, but please read the link for how to do this properly. I'll look into how else I can help. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 12:46, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

(edit conflict) please don't revert anything, it will just make more of a mess. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 12:46, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

Understood - thanks for being on the ball TooManyFingers (talk) 12:51, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

@Ivanvector: Thank you for your help. I am sorry for the trouble Incaused you. I left a more detailed explanation at Talk:Levantine pottery.Tiamut (talk) 13:30, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

New User Guidance

My name is Michel F Bryant. How do I find and reach out to a Wikipedia mentor that will help me develop as a contributor to Wikipedia articles? I am still in the process of setting up, and my talk page will completed today 12/3/25, by noon EDT. Thanks Michel F Bryant (talk) 13:01, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

Michel F Bryant, I've deleted your user page which you have used for self-promotion, and I've posted guidance on your talk page. Please don't use Wikipedia to write about yourself Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:36, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

I did not use my page for self promotion intentionally. I thought I was following instructions. And for you to delete a full nights work is very inconsiderate. You gave me notice that I had not done it correctly. I IMMEDIATELY go in to make corrections and find my hard word completely deleted within minutes. I had already sent a message to my ASSIGNED mentor, asking for feedback to ensure I followed instructions. This is not how I start my days, dealing with unnecessary frustrations. Michel F Bryant (talk) 15:02, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

Perhaps User:Jimfbleak will kindly restore the page and move it to, say, Draft:Michel F. Bryant, where you can continue to improve it? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:51, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

If you want a mentor, read WP:MENTOR, but honestly the best thing to do is just read WP:TUTORIAL and get started. Be bold! There's no need to be scared of making mistakes on Wikipedia; any change you make is always reversible, and so long as it's done in good faith, all is well. Athanelar (talk) 13:37, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

There is a need to be afraid of making mistakes! I was assigned a mentor this morning, shortly after I requested one. Someone went in and accused me of intentionally self promoting my work. I looked a a lot of the examples and thought I did what was requested. Within minutes of being notified of my error, my entire nights work was deleted, before I could make changes. All the person had to do was point out my misunderstanding, and watch as I made corrections. Considering we were in communication. I find that to be rude and disrespectful. Michel F Bryant (talk) 15:11, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

Well, there were really no 'corrections' to be made from the sounds of it; Wikipedia is not social media, and your userpage is not supposed to be an in-depth bio about yourself. You'd've had to remove most of what you wrote to make it acceptable anyway; better to wipe the whole thing and start over.

Instead of focusing on trying to write a good userpage, why not jump right in to reading pages you're imterested in and looking for ways to improve them? See Help:Contributing to Wikipedia Athanelar (talk) 15:42, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

Thanks, but I have no problem deleting inappropriate material, especially if I am learning in the process. I can easily pull and show where I received my erroneous, and conflicting instructions concerning how to prepare a Wikipedia User page. It is okay though. I will wait to here from my assigned mentor, and gain clarity then. Also, if I am making critical errors at this stage, I would hate to make the same kind of errors on someone else's work. Michel F Bryant (talk) 15:58, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

You shouldn't think of anything on Wikipedia as any one person's 'work.' Nobody 'owns' a Wikipedia article, even if they wrote it entirely or mostly by themselves. We generally follow something called the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle; you find an article you think could be improved (needs copyediting or another source etc), you boldly make the improvement, if somebody disagrees with you, they revert your changes, and then you discuss on the article's talk page whether the change should be made or not, or if there's another compromise etc Athanelar (talk) 16:10, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

I posted masses of guidance on this user's talk page, which he has now blanked. I explained in detail why his "profile" was inappropriate. He has no discernable notability, and the book that he is trying to promote is self-published by his own publishing entity. The content of his draft, once stripped of the promo, boils down to "Michel F Bryant is a Christian, author and teacher, he has written and self-published a book." Pigsonthewing, it's a kind thought, but there is nothing in deleted user page worth keeping, although I don't mind if another admin sees fit to restore. It seems very likely that if he recreates, the draft will be declined on notability grounds if nothing else, and there is a risk that he'll get himself blocked as "Not here to create an encyclopaedia" or for promotion. He's asked for someone to mentor him, and that seems like a very good idea Jimfbleak - talk to me? 17:08, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

Article

Hi, I’m writing an article about three lakes in Nova Scotia: Lower Beaver Lake, Middle Beaver Lake, and Upper Beaver Lake. Should I:

1. Make one combined article with a descriptive title such as “Lower, Middle and Upper Beaver Lakes”, or
2. Create three separate short pages?

What is the best article title in this situation?

Thanks! Versions111 (talk • contribs) 13:28, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

(OpenStreetMap link) Versions111 (talk • contribs) 13:31, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

What about just Beaver Lakes, or maybe Beaver Lakes (Canada) if you want to avoid people thinking it's some phenomenon associated with beaver dams Athanelar (talk) 13:35, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

I couldn’t find any reliable sources that use “Beaver Lakes” as a collective name for Lower Beaver Lake, Middle Beaver Lake, and Upper Beaver Lake, not sure it will meet WP:COMMONNAMES Versions111 (talk • contribs) 14:15, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

I thought as much, but then why are they named like that to begin with? They've been linguistically grouped together for some reason or another at some point. But I get what you mean, an article beginning with The Beaver Lakes are a group of three lakes in Nova Scotia, Canada... would be OR-esque if they're not commonly called that. Athanelar (talk) 14:28, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

Exactly — the naming pattern does suggest a natural group, which is why it makes sense to cover them together in one article. I just want to be careful not to imply they’re officially called “Beaver Lakes,” since no sources seem to use that term. Using a descriptive title like “Lower, Middle and Upper Beaver Lakes” would let us cover them as a set while staying consistent with WP. Versions111 (talk • contribs) 14:39, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

The title just seems clunky. Maybe rather than individual articles, you could expand the Beaver Dam, Nova Scotia article, since all three lakes (as well as Beaver Lake 17) seem to be near that town? You could add a #Lakes section?

I can't imagine there's really more than a stub worth of info about each of the lakes anyway, so this could be a good option? Athanelar (talk) 14:54, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

Good idea! i’ll try Versions111 (talk • contribs) 15:04, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

Done, please review Versions111 (talk • contribs) 23:14, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

I reworded the section slightly, adding a preamble containing the information common to all 3 lakes to cut down on the repetition and make the section read a bit more cleanly. Athanelar (talk) 23:27, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

Should i make a redirect to Upper Beaver Lake, Middle Beaver Lake, and Lower Beaver Lake? Versions111 (talk • contribs) 05:47, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

No, but you should make redirects from those titles. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:48, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

Where do i put the coordinates? Versions111 (talk • contribs) 06:38, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

Referencing errors on FIBA Basketball World Cup Most Valuable Player

Special:Diff/1325509714

Reference help requested.

Hello, I have received the following message. "Hello, I'm Qwerfjkl (bot). I have automatically detected that this edit performed by you, on the page FIBA Basketball World Cup Most Valuable Player, may have introduced referencing errors. They are as follows:

A missing title error. References show this error when they do not have a title. Please edit the article to add the appropriate title parameter to the reference."

I do not know how to fix it. Could I receive information on how to add the missing information?

Thanks, TheOneAndOnlyCactus (talk) 13:48, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

@TheOneAndOnlyCactus: Fixed in this edit. When you include a URL in a ref, you have to include the title of the Web page having that URL. Deor (talk) 15:30, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia Year In Review

At the end of the review there was a poll about how I liked the review, and I entered my choice. Then followed a text area to add a comment about the review.

The text area did not allow any texting, i.e., nothing happened when I tapped in the text area.

I went through the review again but the poll did not repeat. Rossburnett (talk) 15:37, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

@Rossburnett: Please post a link to the review you talk about. This is a help desk for the encyclopedia Wikipedia. I suspect your post is about something unrelated to us. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:48, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

Here's my Wikipedia Year In Review. Created with the Wikipedia iOS app (https://apps.apple.com/app/apple-store/id324715238?pt=208305&ct=yir_2025_share&mt=8) #WikipediaYearInReview Rossburnett (talk) 15:56, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

@Rossburnett: Thanks. I didn't find it by searching for your original heading "Year end review". Your link redirects to https://apps.apple.com/us/app/wikipedia/id324715238 for me without saying anything about Year in Review but I tried the iOS Wikipedia app and got the feature. At the poll I had a field with grey text saying "Other thoughts" in Danish, my language. The wording may be different with English interface. I could tap in the field and type. I don't know why it went wrong for you. mw:Wikimedia Apps#Updates and team information has a link on iOS where I searhed for your issue but didn't find any reports. I submitted the poll and like you, the poll and chance to comment did not appear the next time I went through the review. I guess it will never appear again when the poll has been submitted. You could try mw:Talk:Wikimedia Apps/Team/Wikipedia Year in Review/2025 Year in Review if you want to comment on the review. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:38, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

Implementing merge

I was working on implementing the merge as a result of the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/United_States_Olympic_mixed_doubles_curling_trials. I think I followed the steps, but Talk:United States Olympic curling trials now has both {{merged-from}} and {{afd-merged-from}} at the top. I assume I should delete {{merged-from}}? Just wanted to check with someone with more experience than me. Thanks! meamemg (talk) 15:44, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

That is correct. (If there had instead been two pages merged here, one from AfD and one not, then having both templates would be appropriate.) jlwoodwa (talk) 20:11, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

New page for a relative

Hi there , I have a relative ( deceased) whom was famous in the photography field , he doesn't have a page but I understand I cannot write his page. I have tried to request it to be written but I don't think I am doing it right. I have all the information needed and would be happily willing to pass it over. Elaine Reynolds (talk) 15:59, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

Where did you make this request? AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:01, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

To be honest I am not even sure now I just clicked on photography articles. I have no clue what I am doing Elaine Reynolds (talk) 16:09, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

Your edit history does not show any requests made by you; it is possible you made them while logged out of your account. 331dot (talk) 16:18, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

Hi Elaine,

When you say your relative is 'famous,' what is it that you mean? In order for someone to have a Wikipedia article, they need to have what we call notability, which essentially means that they have been written about in some depth and detail in reliable, independent, secondary sources. If you want someone on Wikipedia to write an article about him, you'd need to provide links to sources which demonstrate that he had that kind of notability, which someone could then take the information from to put in an article about him.

It's important to note that anything written by him or by anyone connected to him won't be sufficient as a source for this (except to confirm basic biographical details like his date and place of birth etc) Athanelar (talk) 16:15, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

Hi Athanelar , Thank you , he was an English photographer and directorwho took various notable portraits from the Royal family, writers , actors , politicians etc . I have links such as nationational portrait gallery, he's mentioned in a few biographies ,V&A , Smithsonian , company directories and imperial war museum. Elaine Reynolds (talk) 16:30, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

Presumably this is (Hubert) Claude Harris. I found a picture on Wikimedia Commons, C:File:Miss Daisy Burrell, Claude Harris.jpg, which claims to be public domain in the US because it was published before 1930. TSventon (talk) 17:02, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

Elaine Reynolds, photographing royals and other celebs does not in itself make a photographer notable. However, WP:ARTIST says: This guideline applies to... photographers, ... Such a person is likely to be notable if: [any of four, of which the fourth is:] The person's work (or works) has: [any of four, of which the fourth is:] been represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums. If examples of his work are verifiably in the V&A, the Smithsonian, this or that National Portrait Gallery, and the Imperial War Museum, then he should be notable. -- Hoary (talk) 23:27, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

@Elaine Reynolds Just to clarify, you are allowed to create a draft about your relative provided you use the articles for creation process, which is a good idea anyway given you are a new editor. Read the advice at this essay after you have found your way around by making edits to existing articles to get some practice. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:29, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

Discussing Template Wording Change

Hi! I patrol CAT:MISSFILE, and have recently been working on improving a user template related to users adding missing files to articles. The current main template is {{uw-uploadfirst}}. However, I feel a part of the wording is confusing, as it attempts to provide a list of possible reasons why the editor made the change rather than honing in on the specific cause. Given most missing images are added by new users, having simple and concise wording seems to be the best way to communicate it to them. The current wording of {{uw-uploadfirst}} seems overly complicated in how it attempts to address multiple different issues at once.

I've attempted to change the wording, and split it into two different templates (the second one being {{uw-notuploaded}}). However, my wording change on {{uw-uploadfirst}} was reverted. I attempted to discuss it with the reverting user; however, they were unwilling to discuss the matter beyond saying they deemed the wording change unnecessary.

I've started a discussion on Template index/User talk namespace, which provides further context for this issue. However, I'm not super familiar with discussing templates, so I wanted to ask here if there are any other places I could/should discuss (or processes I should use) for improving the wording of the template. Cheers, Katniss May the odds be ever in your favor ♥ 17:42, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

Wikitext Formatting help, double centered text

Hello, I'm not even sure if this is the right place to ask this, but this is the closest place I can find. While not specifically for Wikipedia but a different wiki that also uses Wikitext, I am trying to recreate the end credits of something into text format, and have been wanting to remake the same look it has.

I am looking for a way to make the text center to the middle of the page, but with 2 lines of text aligned to one another, as how credits usually look in movies and such. The best thing I can do is the normal "Center text layout", but that doesn't make the roles and name separation neatly in the middle.

It's really difficult to say what I want to do without being able to show it, but I really hope that anyone reading this understands what I am trying to say! QwertyPc Game17 (talk) 18:05, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

I don't know the rules of the place where you want to put this, and what I'm about to say would normally be a dumb idea, but ... what if you made a two-column table, with the text left-aligned in one column and right-aligned in the other, some padding on the interior border between the columns ... and made all the borders invisible? I've never tried that so I don't know if it can even be done. TooManyFingers (talk) 18:22, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

I'll give it a try anyways, thanks for the suggestion! QwertyPc Game17 (talk) 18:26, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

@QwertyPc Game17: Something like this:

Cast

Alice	JANE DOE
Bob	JOHN D. DOE

With right-aligned names:

Cast

Alice	JANE DOE
Bob	JOHN D. DOE

PrimeHunter (talk) 19:51, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

This:

<div style="width: 50%; float: left; text-align: right;">
:A
:B
:C
</div>
<div style="float: left; margin-left: .5em; text-align: left;">
:1
:2
:3
</div>
<br style="clear: both;">

will give you this:

A

B

C

1

2

3

- Erik Baas (talk) 19:58, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

This is perfect! Thank you so so much! QwertyPc Game17 (talk) 20:04, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

@QwertyPc Game17:<nitpicking>The code is simpler than my version but the columns will lose alignment if there is any line-wrapping, and screen readers probably won't make a connection between the columns.</nitpicking> PrimeHunter (talk) 21:23, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

changing the title of a page (company name has changed)

How do I update the page title? My nonprofit, Audubon Canyon Ranch, has changed its name to All Hands Ecology and while I've updated the page content, I didn't see a way to update the title. AllHandsEcology (talk) 19:27, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

 Done, I have moved the page to All Hands Ecology

Please review the conflict of interest guidelines if you have any intention to continue editing that page. Athanelar (talk) 21:08, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

Joseph Chamberlain's place of death

Although Wikipedia lists Joseph Chamberlain's place of death as Birmingham, the following sources report that he actually died in London: [6] ; [7] ; [8] ; [9] ; [10] ; [11]. Perhaps this should be corrected. ~2025-38316-99 (talk) 22:44, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @~2025-38316-99. Thank you for pointing this out. I see you have raised this at Talk:Joseph Chamberlain, which is the best place to do so.

Looking at the article, I see it is tagged with {{more sources needed}}, and the claim about his death is both unsourced and unclear (the text doesn't actually say that he died in Birmingham). Given that you have those sources, I suggest that you edit the article appropriately, citing whichever one of the sources you think is best. ColinFine (talk) 23:02, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

How do I create a page for my company?

I've tried before and it has not worked, although we are a large company with many secondary articles and sources about us. Our main competitors (same size, same market) are on there, I am wondering why we are not? ~2025-38239-41 (talk) 23:30, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

Firstly, you need to read Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure, since both clearly apply. Secondly, there are large numbers of Wikipedia articles that don't comply with current Wikipedia policy, making them irrelevant to any discussion regarding new content. And thirdly, there is no such thing as an article for a company: Wikipedia hosts articles about companies, where they meet our notability criteria, and based solely on what independent reliable sources have to say about the subject. Which may not necessarily always be things the company would like. AndyTheGrump (talk) 23:36, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

Any articles about your company in independent sources cannot be press releases, staff interviews, brief mentions, or the mere reporting of routine business activities(like the commencement of operations or the raising of capital).

That there is an article about your competitor does not necessarily mean that they wrote it, our articles are typically written by independent editors wholly unconnected with the subject. Wikipedia does not provide equal time to all companies in a field, coverage depends on the sources. 331dot (talk) 00:04, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse.

You've indicated that you want to write an article about a company or organisation you appear to have a connection to.

First of all, we strongly discourage editors from creating or editing articles relating to subjects they have a connection to, especially in the case of corporations and organisations where this usually takes the form of paid editing. If you still wish to proceed, please thoroughly read everything below.

Warning against COI editing

First and foremost this is because conflict of interest editing often results in issues with the neutral point of view expected on Wikipedia, due to biases whether consciously or unconsciously. While you may not intend to be biased, the types of information you include or exclude from an article are likely to be skewed by your connection to the subject. It's also very common for conflicts of interest to result in promotional writing such as advertisement-like articles for companies or resume-like articles for people. You may innocently intend to 'raise awareness' or 'correct misinformation' about the subject, but this is still promotion, and promotion of any kind is not allowed on Wikipedia.

People with conflicts of interest tend to be very bad at gauging whether the thing they're writing about meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines. In order for a subject to have a Wikipedia article it needs to be 'notable,' which is a word that has a particular and slightly unintuitive meaning here on Wikipedia. There are a number of different criteria for notability depending on the subject, such as the 'general' notability guidelines, the guidelines for notability of companies or organisations, the notability of creative professionals etc. The vast majority of people and companies are not notable in the Wikipedia sense, and do not warrant a Wikipedia article about them. A good rule of thumb is that if a person or company is notable enough to justify a Wikipedia article, then soon enough somebody else will write it for them, and there's no need to do it yourself. So if you're here to write an article about yourself or someone or something connected to you, it's generally a good indicator that the subject does not yet meet Wikipedia's notability requirements. A special note is necessary here that ChatGPT and other AIs do not understand Wikipedia notability. It's very common for COI-writing newcomers to get themselves confused because they ask ChatGPT whether they should write an article about themselves/their company and it spits out a few trivial sources and claims that these sources constitute 'notability.' You need to thoroughly read the notability guidelines relating to the subject you want to write about and make sure you understand whether the available sources support the notability of the subject. Do not try to take shortcuts by asking an AI, it will likely be wrong.

It's very common that articles written by those connected to the subject end up being written backwards. This means that you first write the article with everything you know about the subject due to your connection to it, and then try to find sources to confirm the information you've written. This is the wrong way to write a Wikipedia article. As an encyclopedia, the purpose of Wikipedia is to summarise the existing information available about a subject in reliable, independent secondary sources. The goal is not to present new information or to synthesise multiple existing sources to provide new conclusions. When writing an article you must first search for sources relating to the subject (appropriate sources, those meeting the golden rule) and only include information in the article which is written in the sources. You may well know information about the subject which is not available in any of the existing sources, but you must not include this kind of 'original research' in your article. It is understandably frustrating to want to provide certain information and not be able to, but that is the limitation of writing for an encyclopedia, and precisely why we strongly discourage people from writing about subjects they are connected to. If the existing sources don't say it, you can't put it in an article.

You should also keep in mind that having an article about yourself, your company etc is not always a good thing. You (or the person or company you're writing on behalf of) do not own the article, and cannot control what is in it. If you're writing about this company because you're an employee and your boss or colleagues have asked you to do it, then please thoroughly read WP:BOSS and report the information therein back to them.

If after reading all of that, you still think you can go ahead and beat the odds and create this article, then follow the steps below.

Writing a COI article

First, and most important, you need to disclose your conflict of interest. There are instructions on how to do this at WP:COI If your conflict of interest involves being paid to create this article, you should follow the instructions at WP:PAID to disclose that also.

Next, heed what I said above about not writing an article backwards. You need to forget everything you know about the subject of the article, which is obviously the most difficult part. Search Google and elsewhere for sources first. Remember that those sources need to be reliable, independent and secondary. Avoid trivial coverage such as listicles, especially when writing about companies as this type of day-to-day corporate coverage is very common. The sources you use need to actually prove the subject's notability (according to the most relevant guidelines) as I discussed above, which passing/trivial coverage does not. If you use ChatGPT or another AI to find sources for you (which you shouldn't), you must double-check the sources yourself and verify that they actually say what the AI claims they do, because source-to-text inconsistencies are extremely common when using LLMs to search for sources.

Once that's done, you can extract information from the sources and write your article. For guidance on that, follow Help:Your first article and feel free to ask any more specific questions here at the Teahouse.

Athanelar (talk) 03:47, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

Draft

I want to place draft of my profile Muhammad Ahmad Bello (talk) 01:13, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

(sigh) —Antonissimo (talk) 01:28, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

Do you mean you want to create a draft article about yourself? Athanelar (talk) 03:45, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

@Muhammad Ahmad Bello Wikipedia does not have profiles, and users are strongly discouraged from writing a draft about themselves. See WP:AUTO for our policy. Make your own website or use social media for writing your profile. Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:24, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

How do I ask this better?

I've been trying to start a group (and eventually a project). To do this, I need to invite members, but I don't know many people too closely, especially not ones who would seem interested in this. I tried to reach out to people I've worked with in the past, or who seem familiar, but many of them ignored me. Does anyone have advice for a better way to ask this from people, than to randomly ask "hey how are you, want to join this group"? Wikieditor662 (talk) 04:34, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

People are rejecting the group, so consider dropping the group and doing things differently.

You can't make people join. TooManyFingers (talk) 05:43, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

Another thought: people tend to avoid groups that don't exist yet or aren't doing anything yet. You probably have to do all the work by yourself for a long time first. TooManyFingers (talk) 05:51, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice! You probably have to do all the work by yourself for a long time first. I already have been. And I'm assuming if I reach out to more people, statistically more will join, I just need a better strategy for speaking to them. I did get two people to join so far... Wikieditor662 (talk) 06:08, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

Bias in articles

Why is it that trump is targeted in his page yet Joe Biden is not. His health is briefly mentioned but the mass illegal border crossings, illegal alien crime rate rises, and the support of the LGBT indoctrination is not? Very biased that is why I will not be donating this year ~2025-38360-80 (talk) 06:50, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for your generosity in past years. -- Hoary (talk) 07:30, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

• citation needed

Breaky01 (talk) 17:08, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

Ahillya Harjani, Yeoh Kay Ee redirects

Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 November 25#Ahillya Harjani, Yeoh Kay Ee

This discussion seems to have been forgotten altogether. I request an administrator to have a look over it. Thankyou! zglph^•talk• 16:07, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

Why is Google Chrome in the top read articles so often?

I wasn't sure where to ask this, so I figured this was a safe bet. At least on the mobile app, you can see the top read articles each week. Why is Google Chrome consistently near the top? It doesn't seem like there's been anything major enough in the news that it should be trending like this for so long. Thanks. 🏳️‍🌈JohnLaurens333 (need something? Ping me!) 16:15, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

Google Chrome is currently averaging around 300,000 pageviews a day, which is quite a lot for a web browser. Its appearance at the top of the November 2025 chart is something of a mystery. Maybe someone can explain this.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 16:56, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

Views increased on 16 September. According to Google AI On September 16, 2025, Google's Threat Analysis Group (TAG) identified and reported a critical, actively exploited zero-day vulnerability in the Chrome browser's V8 JavaScript engine. I don't know whether those facts are connected. TSventon (talk) 17:11, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

Editing A Page

 Courtesy link: Talk:Ryah Nixon § Outdated Page

Hi! I submitted a conflict of interest request for a friend about a month ago. She's wondering when her page will be fixed as many people are now looking her up and the information currently on her wiki is incredibly out of date. It's Ryah Nixon. OneMoreFanBway (talk) 17:41, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

@OneMoreFanBway We don't consider WP:IMDb as a reliable source because it is user generated, like Wikipedia. However, playbill.com should be fine for non-controversial facts. If you could add sources from newspapers or magazines, that would be even better. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:26, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

Correct escalation for editor not responding to warnings?

Asking about the general rather than the specific case so I'll know where to bring things like this in the future. So twice now I've reverted a promotional edit, warned the editor, and once again they've added it back without responding to my messages or even including an edit summary. I'm hesitant to revert this third time and break WP:3RR or truly turn this into an edit war. And I don't want to over-escalate to ANI too soon if that's not appropriate. But I don't know what else to do with a user who is unresponsive to talk page warnings. Is there an intermediate option? -- Avocado (talk) 19:01, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Avocado. You might consider taking it to WP:ANEW. ColinFine (talk) 19:39, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

Doesn't one of us have to revert three times before it qualifies for intervention there? And in this case, I'd be the first to cross that line, if I revert again. -- Avocado (talk) 19:47, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

@Avocado: it depends why you are reverting the user. For spamming, Wikipedia:Spam#Dealing with spam suggests going to WP:AIV. TSventon (talk) 19:58, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

Thank you. In this case, that guideline does probably apply. -- Avocado (talk) 20:11, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

Update

hi I just updated it Sheila Newbold (talk) 19:09, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Sheila Newbold. What did you just update? This is the first edit you've made in months. ColinFine (talk) 19:42, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

She edited User talk:Sheila Newbold/sandbox but the page was deleted after the post so it can only be seen by administrators. @Sheila Newbold: Do you have a question? PrimeHunter (talk) 23:25, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

The deleted draft is about one Martin Newbold. Particularly conspicuous within it is an unreferenced three-paragraph section devoted to Newbold's "Proposed dramatical works". -- Hoary (talk) 03:26, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

I was always mildly embarrassed that my mother, who had a typewriter, would write about things nobody needed or wanted to know. I never imagined that one day I'd be nostalgic for when it was just typewriters, and therefore not necessary to embarrass the entire world. TooManyFingers (talk) 07:47, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

Article Hover Thumbnail Change

Hi, I've noticed recently that there was a change to the interface, where now when you hover your mouse over a linked article of a person, the thumbnail is now on top and horizontal, rather than how it used to be which is on the side and vertical. Im just wondering why that is because not only is it just objectively ugly, but most articles use vertical portraits for that cover image so the formatting is wrong for the thumbnail and it cuts off half of their face, which is kind of an important part of a portrait. ~2025-38474-57 (talk) 23:05, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

@~2025-38474-57: Please always give an example when you report an issue. The image is to the right for me for every person I have tried, e.g. Tom Stoppard. It may move to the top if the image width is larger than the height but that's rare for a person. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:19, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter My bad, some examples include Barack Obama, James K. Polk, John Thune, Dick Durbin, Rob Manfred, Jim Thome, Manny Machado, Pete Alonso, LeBron James, Anthony Edwards to name a few. ~2025-38517-61 (talk) 01:14, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

@~2025-38474-57: They all display the image to the right for me unless I zoom a lot in my browser. Do you have a large zoom or small window? Has it changed recently? If you change something then reload the page before testing the image placement. What is your browser? PrimeHunter (talk) 01:48, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

Did I submit my draft or did I do it wrong?

Hello Wiki Ninjas!

I just attempted to submit an article I drafted in my sandbox for review. I thought I was doing it right but now I think i messed it up. When I hit the submit button, it said it needed to be a named draft - so I moved it to Draft: Andrew Torba - but now there's no option to submit. Will it be reviewed or do I need to do more for that to happen? JesseL0vesT0ast (May the toast be with you.) (talk) 00:29, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

Looks like ColinFine went ahead and added the draft template to the top of the draft for you, which has the button to submit it for review. Athanelar (talk) 01:01, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @JesseL0vesT0ast.

I'm not sure what the message was that you got; but the "submit" button was in the box generated from the {{user sandbox}} header.

Once you moved it to Draft space (which should not have been necessary, but wasn't wrong), that header was no longer appropriate, and a bot came along and deleted it.

I have now added a header appropriate to draft space, so you can submit it for review. ColinFine (talk) 01:02, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

Thanks bestie! JesseL0vesT0ast (May the toast be with you.) (talk) 16:54, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

Using library catalogue as a date reference

Kind of an odd citation question here. Is it ever appropriate to use a library's catalogue description as a source for dates/facts? I was looking for sources to update the article for the art publication ARTnews, and while I've found reliable independent sources for most of the major changes in their recent history, I can't find any solid reporting on their most recent change: the publication ceased its quarterly print issues entirely, and is now completely digital-only apart from a single annual "Top 200 Collectors" print issue, provided as a supplement for subscribers of Art in America. The only place this is detailed in any way is in several library catalogues, for example, the Getty's catalogue listing for the publication, which specifies that the December 2021/January 2022 issue (vol. 120, no. 6) was the final regular print issue of the magazine. Is it appropriate to use this listing as a source for a general statement like "The publication ceased quarterly print issues in January 2022"? Just feels semi-original research-y as a source, but it's also the only thing I can find. Thanks for any advice! 19h00s (talk) 00:35, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

I went to the publication's website, thinking surely there must be some sort of ...

But no. Their website is as useful and informative as a bronzed pancake. TooManyFingers (talk) 01:22, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

Yeah there's a whole history there, lol, so I'm not surprised they haven't been clear about the changes. Peter Brant bought ARTnews and Art in America (along with several other smaller magazines), merged them and made ARTnews quarterly and slowed the print schedule of AiA, before selling them to Penske Media, which subsequently bought Artforum and shut down its sister publication Bookforum. So Penske now owns all of what were, until recently, considered the "big three" American art magazines (ARTnews, Art in America, and Artforum), and presumably has, at the very least, a public relations incentive to minimize any news about their winding down of various parts of those magazines. But in all my searches, even non-Penske art outlets like Hyperallergic, The Art Newspaper, or Artnet News haven't covered the end of the quarterly ARTnews print run, nor have bigger outlets which report on media news. 19h00s (talk) 01:50, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

One option that is open to you is to contact those "bigger outlets" yourself, and suggests that they run a story. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 07:40, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

Thanks Andy. I already sent messages to relevant reporters a few months ago when this first came on my radar as needing updates; no responses, as expected, because this is 4-year-old news at this point. Any advice on the library catalogue citation question? 19h00s (talk) 10:42, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

The source is reliable, so I don't see why you can't cite it using the template {{cite web}}. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:29, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

Thanks, will do. Appreciate the advice, y'all! Just didn't want to use something odd like this as a source without at least checking first. 19h00s (talk) 22:30, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

Links

Why is there not a link to certain topics? For example, I looked for a fruit from a genre and the fruit is not on the scientific name list of another article. It is like either the scientific name is made up or intentionally the name is omitted because there is not even a dead link (red lettering) ~2025-38184-63 (talk) 02:51, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

Absence of links to certain topics can be for myriad reasons. You looked for a fruit from a genre and the fruit is not on the scientific name list of another article: which fruit, genre, and article? -- Hoary (talk) 03:19, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @~2025-38184-63. This is not an answer to your question, but a clarification, because I think people might be confused by one point in your question. I suspect that you mean to refer to a taxonomic genus. In English we do not use genre to mean a biological classification, but only a category of artistic work, such as books, records, or paintings. (I know in some other languages "genre" is used more widely) ColinFine (talk) 16:36, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

Issue - styleguide

Hello. As you can see from my acct age, I am brand new here. I created this account because the page for Yacouba Sawadogo edited by user ihateschool7? (Acct created December 4) is written poorly, with a unprofessional, amateure tone and a source sited is chatgpt. How do I/we fix this, and/or am I asking in the right place? I've been running around lists of notice boards for a while I feel like I'm going in circles. Thank you! XbluestorkX (talk) 08:15, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

@XbluestorkX Welcome to Help desk.  Done I've restored the article Yacouba Sawadogo to it better revision, you did the right thing and this is the right place. Thank you, Happy editing. Cheers. CONFUSED SPIRIT(Thilio).Talk 08:38, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

Thank you! For fixing the page and letting me know I was in the right place. Cheers! XbluestorkX (talk) 21:05, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

Heya, Craig gass, and Chris kael....

they both don't have a Wikipedia page. I can help. ~2025-38617-91 (talk) 11:22, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

Gass has an article. It's rather feeble. If good sources exist, you could help to improve it. -- Hoary (talk) 11:49, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @~2025-38617-91.

You are welcome to improve any article - but please do not introduce any information into an article (especially an article about a living person) unless you can cite a reliable published source for the information - information you know only from your experience, or from unreliable sources such as social media, is not generally acceptable. Please see WP:verifiability and WP:referencing for beginners.

If you want to add something but you're not sure how to, post a question or suggestion on the talk page of the particular article.

As for creating a new article: My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. If you don't follow this advice but try to create an article without this preparation, you are likely to have a frustrating and disappointing experience with Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 16:44, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

How can you contact anyone at this fake site

Apparently some weirdo has hacked my IP and wikipedia banned edits because of whatever this weirdo was doing. How do i inform someone of this theft of my IP and get it to stop? The ifiots that run this crap are also liars, money grubbers and cant figure out a webiste isnt an email domain (you cant email to info-enwikimedia.org, you IDIOTS).... I see exactly why that weirdo attacked yall, you seriously deserve it lol like WOW..... you arent worth donations at all lol yikes ~2025-38709-08 (talk) 14:21, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

@~2025-38709-08 You were likely assigned a blocked IP address by your Internet Service Provider. Wikipedia has no control over what IP your ISP assigns you. Either contact your ISP and ask them to re-assign you, wait for your IP to change naturally, or create a free Wikipedia account. qcne (talk) 14:25, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

Very curious as to why you want to edit here if we're fake and deserve attacks. If you don't want to give the Wikimedia Foundation money, then don't. Their finances are fairly stable. We editors aren't given the money. 331dot (talk) 14:28, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

If someone has actually 'hacked your IP', I suggest you contact your internet provider, as Wikipedia clearly can't do anything about it. Though maybe you need to read up on Dynamic IP address allocation first. As for email, the correct address is info-en@wikimedia.org, per the link at Wikipedia:Contact us. And as for the rest, nobody obliges you to either donate here, or look at Wikipedia at all. Plenty of other people seem happy enough to do both, though whether the Wikimedia Foundation (which actually solicits the donations, rather than Wikipedia) actually needs the level of funding it currently receives is a matter of debate. AndyTheGrump (talk) 14:32, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

@~2025-38709-08: It's unlikely your IP address was "hacked". The same IP address can be shared by many Internet connections or many devices on the same connection, and some blocks are for ranges of IP addresses. As a measure against spammers harvesting email addresses, an address like info-enwikimedia.org is often written in a way where @ is not normal text and may not be included by your browser when you copy-paste. Humans are expected to realize they have to include @. If you saw a place with no visible @ then please link it. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:20, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

I need to talk to someone to report about a manager

Ineed totalk to someone about report a mangager ~2025-38738-63 (talk) 18:11, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

We don't have "managers" here. If you have a grievance related to Wikipedia, please tell what it is about so we can direct you to the proper place. 331dot (talk) 18:12, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

WP:AUTOLOGOUT？

I can reproduce this bug by using https://auth.wikimedia.org/zhwiki/wiki/Special:PasswordReset. Every time I visit this page, I automatically log out. ᒿ.ᒿ.ᒿ.ᒿ (talk) 19:05, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

Nominating an article for deletion

I've try to nominate an article following the steps listed on the header that appeared at the top of the page after adding the template {{subst:Article for deletion}} to the top of the article — namely,

1. Adding {{subst:Article for deletion}} to the article: [12];
2. Creating a discussion page;
3. Adding {{Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Coupled entropy}} to the log of articles nominated for deletion of the day: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2025_December_5&diff=prev&oldid=1325901084

However, as evidenced by the way this log looks, I evidently messed up somewhere. I'm not sure where, though — can someone help?

Cheers, Malparti (talk) 21:52, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

Fixed. You need to use our standard template for creating the discussion: {{subst:afd2|pg=Coupled entropy|text=...}}. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 22:08, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

The easiest way is to use WP:Twinkle. Enable it under your 'gadgets' ans then under the new 'TW' dropdown on an article there's an 'XfD' option to list articles for deletion. Athanelar (talk) 22:15, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

Great — thanks! Malparti (talk) 23:16, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

What is the process to review a decision that may not have been fully thought out - removal of nationality parameter in infoboxes?

Recently, a decision was made, quite quickly, with a small number of user comments, to remove the "nationality" parameter from infoboxes, see the discussion at Template:Infobox person#Remove and truly deprecate nationality. This parameter had been around for years, and appears in the infoboxes of hundreds of articles about people, using several different infoboxes. It basically repeats the country in the intro paragraph, which is basically what a person's infobox is intended to do, to provide a quick and accurate summary of the person. Prior to the removal of the "nationality" parameter, the guidance within Wikipedia was to only use the parameter when appropriate, not necessarily in every case. That guidance made sense and was generally followed.

To be blunt, the decision to remove the "nationality" parameter did not fully anticipate its ramifications. The article Mark S. Smith is a perfect example where the "nationality" parameter is not only useful, it is necessary. The parameter still exists in the article's infobox text, but because it is deprecated, it is no longer shown to users. Smith was born in Paris, leading users to think that he is French, when in fact he is American. There are many other articles like that, where not displaying the nationality might lead users astray when a person from one country is born in another.

It's been suggested by some to use the "citizenship" parameter instead, but that can be problematic, since it is rare to find a verifiable source identifying a person's citizenship, which is more specific than nationality.

It is important to reconsider the decision to remove the "nationality" parameter and to restore it, with the previous guidance to only use it when appropriate.

The question is: What is the process to review a decision and request its reversion? Thanks, Truthanado (talk) 00:28, 6 December 2025 (UTC)

There was a great deal more discussion than that, and the discussion you mentioned actually links to an earlier one.

But here's my impression of generally what the problem is: VERY large numbers of people misuse the "nationality", pretending it means race or ethnicity. Wikipedia is making a big effort to prevent and prohibit identifying anyone's race or ethnicity, and a recent part of that effort has been to physically take away a slot that has so often been misused for that purpose.

If people in general weren't so keen to abuse the "nationality" slot in that way, then I'd agree with you. In any case, I get the feeling (from why it's been done) that it won't really be up for renegotiation. TooManyFingers (talk) 02:40, 6 December 2025 (UTC)

Image doesn't show up in article

I added the logo for the page Future Left (Sweden) to the infobox and it doesn't show up for some reason Norfuzion (talk) 01:08, 6 December 2025 (UTC)

Fixed by someone else, thanks Norfuzion (talk) 01:20, 6 December 2025 (UTC)

Transcluding a portion of a page

WikiProject Arthropods' landing page at WP:ARTH shows a list of recognised content (Good and Featured content) from its project. To do this, it transcludes from Portal:Arthropods/Recognised content. I updated this portal subpage last year, but come back a year later, and there are articles obviously missing such as Actinote zikani. My idea to solve this and avoid (shoddily) duplicating information is to transclude directly from places like Wikipedia:Good articles/Natural sciences which actively curate their lists. However, there are three serious problems with this:

• The arthropods only constitute a subsection of the Natural Sciences subpage, so I'm not sure how to transclude only them.
• Portal:Arthropods/Recognised content prepends a good article icon to each item, unlike the Natural Sciences subpage.
• The Natural Sciences subpage lacks daggers (†) to indicate extinct species. This is really important for the arthropods portal where so much recognised content is about extinct taxa.

Any suggestions? TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 02:15, 6 December 2025 (UTC)